War Wagon Gane is going to shock the world.

I know he didn't in the OP but did TS ever explain why Tom wouldn't grapple? Not looking over the whole thread...
 
Dionysian said:
I know he didn't in the OP but did TS ever explain why Tom wouldn't grapple? Not looking over the whole thread...
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Tom's not a wrestler, but he has well timed takedowns that work really well against flat footed oponents, of which Gane is not.
A failed takedown in the heavier divisions can basically cost you the fight, unless the takedown is used to finish the fight.
I am predicting Tom will get a take down, but I dont think he will finish Gane after it, I dont belive in Tom's cardio - he is simply way too big and explosive in his movements.
 
Gotta disagree here... I don't think Gane will be a match for Tom. I think he'll last longer than he did vs Jon Jones, but I think Tom gets it done by round 2 or 3 via submission or TKO.
 
Al Tair said:
Aspinall’s a human highlight reel, but Gane’s slick footwork and technical game might just steal the show.
Picture Gane dancing around Ngannou’s bombs at UFC 270, landing crisp counters and kicks over five rounds—his heavyweight ballet could make Aspinall chase and test that unproven gas tank.

Tom’s has quick KOs over Pavlovich and Blaydes, plus a slick sub on Volkov , but he’s faced no one with Gane’s finesse. Gane was outstriking Volkov 146-106 and TKO’ing Lewis with surgical precision.

Aspinall’s never seen round 3 in 18 fights , while Gane’s gone 25 minutes against Ngannou and Volkov—can Tom keep up if Gane drags him to deep waters?

Seriously, if Gane avoids the early storm, he might outpoint or even finish a gassed Aspinall.

48-47 Gane, you heard it here first folks.
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Terrible things happen in MMA all the time. Gane winning would be one of them. I wouldn't be shocked, just disappointed.
 
Al Tair said:
Aspinall’s a human highlight reel, but Gane’s slick footwork and technical game might just steal the show.
Picture Gane dancing around Ngannou’s bombs at UFC 270, landing crisp counters and kicks over five rounds—his heavyweight ballet could make Aspinall chase and test that unproven gas tank.
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Aspinall is not even remotely comparable to Ngannou in terms of style and skills. Evading Ngannou on the feet is roughly infinitely more easy than evading Aspinall, especially if you're fighting Aspinall after totally fucking up your foot. Ngannou is slow both in terms of footwork and striking speed; Aspinall really, really isn't.
 
Al Tair said:
Tom's not a wrestler, but he has well timed takedowns that work really well against flat footed oponents, of which Gane is not.
A failed takedown in the heavier divisions can basically cost you the fight, unless the takedown is used to finish the fight.
I am predicting Tom will get a take down, but I dont think he will finish Gane after it, I dont belive in Tom's cardio - he is simply way too big and explosive in his movements.
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Ok. I could see you betting against Tom's cardio simply because it is unknown as he's never gone past round 2 (in the UFC).

But if you ARE predicting Tom will get a TD... I don't see how you'd think he can't finish Cyril there. They are clearly multiple levels apart on the ground...
 
I personally hope he wins, and I don’t like Gane.
It would leave the UFC in the worst timeline 😝
 
Guy LeDouche said:
I personally hope he wins, and I don’t like Gane.
It would leave the UFC in the worst timeline 😝
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Yeh, I like it when things i follow are objectively more shit than they used to be
 
SuperAlly said:
You arent "cruising to a win" when you were almost stopped, stop being a douche
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You are absolutely crusing to a win when you get hit with a flash knockdown, bounce right back up, hurt the other guy, win the round, unanimously, and land 3.5X the number of strikes as the other guy before you brutally KO him.

Take your own advice about being a douche.
 
Epsteins Guard said:
And whats your excuse for the awful decision that he managed to get over Volkov?

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Why would I need to have an excuse for anything? Not sure why you think Volkov has anything to do with the stupidity of claiming that he "almost" lost to Tuivasa, a fight which he completely dominated.

I'm not here claiming that Gane is some kind of invincible juggernaut. That's Aspinall and his Sherbro fans, who are mostly on his bandwagon because of him being next up in the endless line of people who were supposed to expose Jones (Gane was once one of them).

In the HW division, he's one of the current elite fighters, which usually only numbers two or three people, for that weight division.

I'm not one of the morons who thinks quality is a binary measurement that only includes "invincible and perfect" and "totally blows."
 
SuperAlly said:
You arent "cruising to a win" when you were almost stopped, stop being a douche
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Tuivasa didn't almost stop Gane. He got a knockdown, which, since this is MMA and not boxing, is just another strike to be judged by how much damage it did and whether it effectively set anything else up. Gane got right back up but was slightly dazed and clearly exhibited diminished defensive capacity, so it was a good strike, the kind that would be enough to clearly win the round on its own if the rest of the round had been too close to call. That said, Tuivasa did a very poor job on follow up, landing a couple of additional decent strikes but not chaining anything together or landing anything that put Gane in significant danger of being stopped before Gane fully recovered and deilvered some more effective damage of his own.

A better fighter than Tuivasa would have finished or almost finished Gane after that knockdown (and that knockdown is an indicator that maybe Gane doesn't have any meaningful advantage over Aspinall on the feet despite the wishcasting of some), but Tuivasa is not a better fighter than Tuivasa.
 
fzoid4454 said:
Why would I need to have an excuse for anything? Not sure why you think Volkov has anything to do with the stupidity of claiming that he "almost" lost to Tuivasa, a fight which he completely dominated.

I'm not here claiming that Gane is some kind of invincible juggernaut. That's Aspinall and his Sherbro fans, who are mostly on his bandwagon because of him being next up in the endless line of people who were supposed to expose Jones (Gane was once one of them).

In the HW division, he's one of the current elite fighters, which usually only numbers two or three people, for that weight division.

I'm not one of the morons who thinks quality is a binary measurement that only includes "invincible and perfect" and "totally blows."
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A fight that he completely dominated.... except for when he was getting dropped and rocked by a tomato can lmao
 
fzoid4454 said:
You are absolutely crusing to a win when you get hit with a flash knockdown, bounce right back up, hurt the other guy, win the round, unanimously, and land 3.5X the number of strikes as the other guy before you brutally KO him.

Take your own advice about being a douche.
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Bullshit that you call that a "flash knockdown where he bounces right back up". His legs are locked together as he falls, which anyone who knows anything at all about getting rocked knows means your brain switched off for a second. "Flash" knockdowns mean someone got clipped and go down, but clearly are never out even for a millisecond as they already look to be finding a way back up before they hit the ground. Gane goes down like a sack of bricks with his legs locked together and crashes back into the bottom of the cage without any cognizance to brace himself at all. No indication whatsoever he has his senses in that quick sequence.

To his credit, when he hits the cage he snaps back and gets his wits about him enough to start defending the follow up and he recovers quickly and goes on the offensive. That's extremely good recovery. But acting like he wasn't truly hurt in that exchange is bullshit.

And it isn't "cruising" to a win when that happens. It's great recovery. It's a definitive win, and shows good resilience.
 
FriskyRandy said:
Doesn't change anything I said... I didn't even mention Tom's name.

Are you retarded?
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fzoid4454 said:
I think people dismissing Gane do so more to delegitimize Jones as a HW champ. If Jones hadn't man-handled him so easily on the way to a win, they'd still be talking about him like they did before their fight. I seem to remember predictions that he'd expose Jones.

No one could beat him until Ngannou did it, because his striking was that much better than everyone else, and even Francis chose to go for the wrestle-fuck decision path rather than stand and trade with him, which I thought was telling and somewhat remarkable.

He's very good. So is Aspinall. Aspinall has more ways to win, so I'd have to say he's favored. If Gane can keep it on the feet, mostly in the middle of the cage, and can keep it at distance, that's his path to winning.
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What's funny is this exact scenario played out the same way with Ngannou and Stipe. Ngannou got absolutely manhandled via wrestling in their first fight, and a lot of people wrote off that he'd ever be able to beat Stipe or win the title because he had no wrestling. Then Ngannou went back, completely changed his ground game and TDD, and became a much better fighter. I'm not saying Gane is going to do this at all. I tend to think he hasn't taken the time to improve like Ngannou did (as his more recent fights have shown). But anyone writing him off is crazy because HW is unpredictable. I mean, who else thought Ngannou would have a boring fight versus Lewis? Or Aspinall would blow his knee out against Blaydes? Or that JDS would KO Cain within the first minute? Or Cain manhandling Brock. etc. I still don't think there is enough fight footage to judge Aspinall yet. He hasn't even gone to the 3rd round in a fight.
 
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