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[idrankyourbeer]

Handful of users claim new Nvidia GPUs are melting power cables again

At this point, it’s unclear whether the issues are one-offs or systemic.

arstechnica.com

5090 and the return of melting power cords?

 

[Madmick]

Right now on PCPP, today, the RTX 4070 starts at a lower price than the RX 7800 XT (both ~$620). So who cares about MSRPs. Both are terribly priced. My post above wasn't a purchasing endorsement of the 16GB version of the 4060 Ti, presently, or a retrospective appraisal of past buying decisions. Btw, you can review the below post to get an idea of my opinions at those times.

Well, reviews for perhaps the first truly attractive card to the mass of gamers from the next generation of cards has dropped: AMD's RX 7800 XT. There's no reason that cards delivering high-end performance of premier AAA titles should cost more than $500 despite inflation even in 2023 (this would have been $357 in 2010 when the GeForce GTX 470 launched for a $349 MSRP). The RTX 4090, RTX 4080, RTX 4070 Ti, RX 7900 XTX, RX 7900 XT, and RX 7900 GRE are all too costly. Per affordable cards, the RTX 4060 and RX 7600 remain disappointing not only due to 8GB VRAM, but because they don't really improve the actual value performance over their predecessors real-market prices.

It was highlighting something to notice moving forward (this is also just one game). My takeaway regarding NVIDIA in that context was negative due to their lower amounts of VRAM. As I foreshadowed, the real question over whether AMD can be competitive again will be determined by FSR 4's performance when it is officially unveiled alongside their upcoming RDNA 4.0 GPUs in March. Because the one saving grace for FSR 3 FG (Frame Generation) was the superior maximum framerate delivered and lower latencies. That has been wiped out by FG in DLSS 4. In particular, MFG with the RTX 50 cards throttles FSR in maximum framerate deliveries.

But the real killshot for NVIDIA has been the conversion to the transfomer upscaling with DLSS's image quality. It's beating native resolution image quality. If AMD doesn't have an answer for that...they're cooked.

 

[jefferz]

Right now on PCPP, today, the RTX 4070 starts at a lower price than the RX 7800 XT (both ~$620). So who cares about MSRPs. Both are terribly priced. My post above wasn't a purchasing endorsement of the 16GB version of the 4060 Ti, presently, or a retrospective appraisal of past buying decisions. Btw, you can review the below post to get an idea of my opinions at those times.


It was highlighting something to notice moving forward (this is also just one game). My takeaway regarding NVIDIA in that context was negative due to their lower amounts of VRAM. As I foreshadowed, the real question over whether AMD can be competitive again will be determined by FSR 4's performance when it is officially unveiled alongside their upcoming RDNA 4.0 GPUs in March. Because the one saving grace for FSR 3 FG (Frame Generation) was the superior maximum framerate delivered and lower latencies. That has been wiped out by FG in DLSS 4. In particular, MFG with the RTX 50 cards throttles FSR in maximum framerate deliveries.

But the real killshot for NVIDIA has been the conversion to the transfomer upscaling with DLSS's image quality. It's beating native resolution image quality. If AMD doesn't have an answer for that...they're cooked.

So we're going to use overinflated prices from 3rd party reseller's to prove your point instead of the normal MSRP when people bought these cards.

 

[Madmick]

For a second time, my observation about VRAM's relationship to framerate with the latest DLSS in Spiderman-2 had nothing to do with concrete purchasing recommendations. I was only drawing everyone's attention to something that stood out, and I subsequently mentioned this was a potential wedge for AMD because NVIDIA offers such pitiful VRAM on their cards, relatively.

Further, my contrarian positivity about NVIDIA in recent weeks due to DLSS has been with an eye looking forward, and I have specifically highlighted how the most impactful advantages of DLSS will be available to previous cards, speculating that for the here and now I expect the RTX 40 series will be more attractive than the RTX 50 series due to the latter's 'latest and greatest' premium coupled with the disappointing physical specifications we've seen. In that context, any comparisons of pricing from the past are not relevant; only those we see today. This was the reason for mentioning the fact the RTX 7800 XT doesn't enjoy a price advantage over the RTX 4070. The surging prices do cast the future attractiveness of the RTX 40 series into doubt. We'll see where the market takes us.

But, towards that last part, while I have never offered blanket recommendations for one brand or the other, instead electing to look at the best value on the market at the moment someone is purchasing, for the last generation, I was almost always recommending an RX 7800 XT or RX 7700 XT when a poster didn't specify they desired an NVIDIA card due to superior rasterization value.

Which I'm now beginning to believe I may regret because I didn't think DLSS would so quickly become this dominant, and I didn't think NVIDIA would accelerate support across titles as quickly as it has in the last year and a half.

 

[My Spot]

Yeah it's pretty insane how much better image quality is with DLSS 4 (even at 1080p).

 

[Blayt7hh]

Would appreciate your thoughts. Since I've been searching lots for a gaming 4K OLED I'm getting a lot of notifications. One was saying OLEDs have maintenance and burn in issues. This seems to me to be 99% bullshit. I understand it's possible to theoretically get burn in, but have never ever heard anyone in practice actually have a monitor ruined by it. I just don't see it as a realistic reason to not go OLED. Thoughts?

We’ll burn in is real, but it’s a problem that is mostly solved now. Modern tvs and monitors have features built in to protect them from burn in. It was definitely a real concern 7-8 years ago, but not so much today

 

[jefferz]

For a second time, my observation about VRAM's relationship to framerate with the latest DLSS in Spiderman-2 had nothing to do with concrete purchasing recommendations. I was only drawing everyone's attention to something that stood out, and I subsequently mentioned this was a potential wedge for AMD because NVIDIA offers such pitiful VRAM on their cards, relatively.

Further, my contrarian positivity about NVIDIA in recent weeks due to DLSS has been with an eye looking forward, and I have specifically highlighted how the most impactful advantages of DLSS will be available to previous cards, speculating that for the here and now I expect the RTX 40 series will be more attractive than the RTX 50 series due to the latter's 'latest and greatest' premium coupled with the disappointing physical specifications we've seen. In that context, any comparisons of pricing from the past are not relevant; only those we see today. This was the reason for mentioning the fact the RTX 7800 XT doesn't enjoy a price advantage over the RTX 4070. The surging prices do cast the future attractiveness of the RTX 40 series into doubt. We'll see where the market takes us.

But, towards that last part, while I have never offered blanket recommendations for one brand or the other, instead electing to look at the best value on the market at the moment someone is purchasing, for the last generation, I was almost always recommending an RX 7800 XT or RX 7700 XT when a poster didn't specify they desired an NVIDIA card due to superior rasterization value.

Which I'm now beginning to believe I may regret because I didn't think DLSS would so quickly become this dominant, and I didn't think NVIDIA would accelerate support across titles as quickly as it has in the last year and a half.

Well, all I’m saying is that if you’re going to compare gpu’s, like you did, you should compare gpu’s that are equal price.
And by looking at the chart, which you provided, the 7800xt was the better choice than the 4060ti 16gb.

 

[Madmick]

Yes, "was" being the keyword.

 

[Versez]

Astrobot, Legend of Dragoon, Dead rising remastered. gran Turismo 7....i have too many games at the same time....and i bought a nice physical version of kingdom come delivrance 2 ps5 edition. it comes with a steelbook.

 

[Slobodan]

I've been thinking of getting the Montech HS01 case, it hasn't released yet but CyberPowerPC has builds with the case available which is interesting.

 

[jefferz]

I've been thinking of getting the Montech HS01 case, it hasn't released yet but CyberPowerPC has builds with the case available which is interesting.

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I have the 903 Base from Montech. At $65 USD, I was expecting them to cut corners on things like thinner steel. But I was pleasantly surprised, the metal is just as thick as on my PC011 Dynamic.

 

[avenue94]

I've been thinking of getting the Montech HS01 case, it hasn't released yet but CyberPowerPC has builds with the case available which is interesting.

They probably use the same ODM or something along those lines; the amount of relationships between Taiwanese PC companies is mind boggling and hilarious to my American mind.

 

[Slobodan]

I have the 903 Base from Montech. At $65 USD, I was expecting them to cut corners on things like thinner steel. But I was pleasantly surprised, the metal is just as thick as on my PC011 Dynamic.

My friend got the King 95 Pro Gear Seekers special edition, I helped him build it. Beautiful case and great build quality. It was pretty easy and spacious to build in.

I have the NZXT H7 Flow, great airflow case but it's a bit too tall for me so that's why I want the HS01.

They probably use the same ODM or something along those lines; the amount of relationships between Taiwanese PC companies is mind boggling and hilarious to my American mind.

I figured it was something like that. Just hope Montech release it at some point, they've been quiet about the release date.

 

[My Spot]

I got the Fractal Pop Air because it has "hidden" 5.25 bays on the bottom.