Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[jefferz]

Now Wooting implemented it:

I hope they all get banned.

 

[Madmick]

This is a gaming hardware thread. Im not going to hedge results for AMD that their 9000 series release has workstation uplift over the non-X3D 7000 series.

If looking for positives. AMD sort of learned with their previous two series launch prices with 9000.

I'm not talking about workstations. I'm talking about generational IPC advancement. That's relevant to gamers. An 8-core chip with a superior IPC will provide superior gaming framerate to an 8-core counterpart with inferior IPC unless the frequency (or cache or something else) is nerfed, and that's not happening with Ryzen 9000. Overall architectural advancements are the concern, here. I'm shorthanding.

While I don't want to waste any more time than is necessary on leaked benchmarks before the NDA expires, and professional reviews give us exact figures, we're already seeing this:

Latest Ryzen 9000 benchmarks show that single-core performance is what separates Zen 5 from Zen 4​

Single Core uplift --> +14%
Multicore uplift ------> ~7%-14%

Geekbench & Cinebench aren't games, but the correlation to game performance for CPUs across generations with their benchmark is indisputable. A ~14% improvement is good.

And because the Italian leaker doesn't have a history to reference, we can't be precise, his leaks in this vacuum still reinforce this. His overall average showed the 7800X3D ~10% better in games on average than the 9900X:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antony...00x-review-leak-slower-than-7800x3d-in-games/

Okay, so what? Whoopdy do. At 1080p the 7800X3D was beating the 7900X by 15.5% (261.1 fps vs. 226.1 fps) in Techpowerup's benchmarks overall: better than +50% versus the advantage it enjoys over the 9900X. So the 9900X is going to thump the 7900X. That's what matters.

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review - The Best Gaming CPU

AMD's Ryzen 7 7800X3D is everything that gamers want: eight fast cores, in a single CCD, with 3D VCache stacked on top at a price point of $450. In our review we can confirm that 7800X3D is indeed the fastest gaming CPU available, beating Intel's 13900K and even the 7950X3D.

www.techpowerup.com

If you scrutinize the exact games compared, you again see this. Take, for example, Cyberpunk 2077. The Italian Leaker had the 7800X3D at 191 fps to the 9900X's 165 fps (+15.7%) with his setup and settings. But in the most recent bench from TPU we see they had the 7800X3D at 215.4 to the 7900X's 175.5 (+22.7%). If we extrapolate, we would estimate if the Italian compared the 7900X in his own leaked benchmark comparison, it would have notched ~155 fps (vs. the 9900X's 165 fps).

 

[Slobodan]

Like @My Spot already said AMD came out two(?) months ago saying their non-X3D 9000 series CPU's wouldnt outperform the 7000X3D in gaming. This is just the first confirmation of that being true.

I know and I commented on that too in this thread when it was revealed that the 7000X3D would still be the top gaming CPU. But the fact is they are pulling these early batches, which would include the ones in any leaked "review" so that's why I mentioned that I am wary of it, because we don't know what the problem with the early samples are. Could be the temperatures, could be the clock speeds. It's just over 2 weeks away now, I'll wait for the proper reviews.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Nvidia GPU partners reportedly cheap out on thermal paste, causing 100C hotspot temperatures — cheap paste allegedly degrades in a few months

Most (if not all) AIB partners allegedly use this dirt-cheap paste that looses performance in months.

www.tomshardware.com

Out of all the things to cheap out on...

Yeah I saw that the other day. I guess this is the kind of horse shit customer abuse you can expect when there’s no real competition in the market

 

[My Spot]

 

[jefferz]

Logitech G Pro Wireless for $60, ships and sold by Amazon

 

[Bornstarch]

Ok, so I'm planning on getting the AMD 9900x, and going up to 64GB of DDR5 in a few weeks. I hope they got motherboards ready by then that don't need to be flashed

 

[Slobodan]

Ok, so I'm planning on getting the AMD 9900x, and going up to 64GB of DDR5 in a few weeks. I hope they got motherboards ready by then that don't need to be flashed

The new X870/B850 series motherboards won't be released till the end of September.

 

[Bornstarch]

I've borked a motherboard trying to flash the BIOS before, I"m not doing that again. I"ll just wait for motherboards that are ready to take in the new AMD CPUs.

 

[Slobodan]

I've borked a motherboard trying to flash the BIOS before, I"m not doing that again. I"ll just wait for motherboards that are ready to take in the new AMD CPUs.

Can you get a local computer store to do it for you?

 

[jefferz]

I've borked a motherboard trying to flash the BIOS before, I"m not doing that again. I"ll just wait for motherboards that are ready to take in the new AMD CPUs.

When looking at a new motherboard, you might want to look towards one that has a dual bios. They have a "backup" bios. So when a situation like you mentioned happens, you can press a button, and it will load the old bios from before you tried upgrading.

 

[My Spot]

Microcenter will do it for free but I think every Gigabyte mobo now has a button you just press for 5 seconds.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Please god bring out the 5090.

When I get that I'm going to be playing nothing but Cyberpunk and Witcher 3.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Also, I look forward to the more professional, competent reviews from those who respect the NDA.

Its worse:

 

[Madmick]

Its worse then even i suspected.

Agreed, it is less impressive than expected based on the leaks, although those were for the 9900X. It makes sense of AMD's uncharacteristically timid balk last week of the rollout over concerns of poor early binning.

Nevertheless, in GN's own review, the 9700X is pulling 87.8W compared to the 7700X's 147.6W. That's a huge plus especially considering these are all still P-cores, and so the performance increase will be consistent across all games, AAA and indie, old and new. I'm wondering if this remarkable efficiency advancement might contribute to a larger disparity with the higher-core 9900X units (to their advantage).

AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Review - The Magic of Zen 5​

It's strange, too, because it's not too far off the games I analyzed from the leaks. Specifically I focused on Cyberpunk 2077 at 1080p. The performance uplift is just a touch over a third less than projected for the 9900X.

If you scrutinize the exact games compared, you again see this. Take, for example, Cyberpunk 2077. The Italian Leaker had the 7800X3D at 191 fps to the 9900X's 165 fps (+15.7%) with his setup and settings. But in the most recent bench from TPU we see they had the 7800X3D at 215.4 to the 7900X's 175.5 (+22.7%). If we extrapolate, we would estimate if the Italian compared the 7900X in his own leaked benchmark comparison, it would have notched ~155 fps (vs. the 9900X's 165 fps).

165 vs. 155 = +6.5% (expected for 9900X vs. 7900X)
194 vs. 185 = +4.7% (actual for 9700X vs. 7700X)


But the bottom line is the bottom line. They're faster than the 7000 series like for like. Ergo, the 9800X3D, whenever it is released, will be the supreme gaming CPU. Only the 7800X3D is faster than the 9700X. AMD told us that would be the case months ago.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Only the 7800X3D is faster than the 9700X.

In certain gaming benchmarks the 5700X3D, 5800X3D and 7700X beat the 9700X. Sure the reduced power consumption is a nice talking point. Along with launching price matching six month post launch adjusted pricing of 5000 and 7000 series.

 

[Madmick]

In certain gaming benchmarks the 5700X3D, 5800X3D and 7700X beat the 9700X. Sure the reduced power consumption is a nice talking point. Along with launching price matching six month post launch adjusted pricing of 5000 and 7000 series.

Who cares? There's outliers like that every generation. In every single game TPU tested, the 9700X outperformed all of those CPUs except for Elden Ring where the 7700X beat it by 0.3 fps on average. The horror. As soon as ray-tracing was turned on the 9700X was beating it again.

You have an unwavering history of negging AMD CPU releasess, so to say that I don't care about your steeply biased attempts to portray this should go without saying, but I'm saying it anyway.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Who cares?

This is easily addressed. Would you buy it?

 

[Madmick]

This is easily addressed. Would you buy it?

No it doesn't. What I would buy myself, or recommend, on any given day, depends on actual market pricing, in the region where the person is buying, on the day I'm looking through prices. I never know what it is I would buy.

Would I buy the 9700X at its MSRP today? Hell no. But I wouldn't have bought the 7700X when it released at its MSRP, either. Both bad values at launch. The Intels in the same class were much better values at the time. And I sure as hell wouldn't buy the 5800X3D right now. We'll see where they settle in, pricewise, in the next few months.

All that is irrelevant. In recent months our theoretical speculation has focused on a user who hesitated to upgrade to the 7800X3D because with the 9000 series release so near, he wanted to wait to see what he might expect from the 9800X3D when it eventually releases. Underwhelming as the 9700X is, I also don't think it's justified to strongly discourage impatience in upgrading, anymore. Based on the 7800X3D's own timetable, we would estimate it will be a ~6 month wait, and I unless someone is fanatically fixed on the epeen title, I don't think +4% in games is worth waiting for. However, if I wanted the best gaming CPU, no questions asked, that 9800X3D would be it. So maybe some would opt to wait (unless Intel can counterpunch before then).

 

[KaNesDeath]

Would I buy the 9700X at its MSRP today? Hell no. But I wouldn't have bought the 7700X when it released at its MSRP, either. Both bad values at launch.

This is all you need to say. Everything else just comes across as obfuscation.