Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

Slobodan said:
I know but also on my motherboard, the MSI MPG X670E Carbon the top PCIE slot is lower than most standard motherboards as you can see:

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And with a beefy GPU like the PowerColor Red Devil 7900XTX that I have, it will be really close to whatever I put on the bottom PCIE slot. So I also wanted something a bit smaller so as not to restrict airflow because the old riser card blocked off too much imo But now I also have the NZXT H7 Flow case that I told you about so it doesn't really matter
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You dont own a computer
 
well my mission to install a new hard drive, which would normally be a simple thing, resulted in nothing more than a glorified dusting operation.

all i needed to do is remove my gpu, unscrew the heatsink enclosure and stick the drive in there and put it all back together. wham bam thank you mam.

but i can't get my gpu out because my cpu cooler and my gpu is to thick for me to get a hand down in there and unlatch it from the pcie slot. i managed to be able to reach the latch with a chopstick and a pencil and another wooden pokey thing (albeit sketchy) but while rocking the card back and forth i couldnt get enough tension to jam the pcie latch open and i would just keep slipping. i didnt want to try to unlatch it with anything more firm because one wrong slip could end in catastrophic motherboard failure, so i just stopped before i get too frustrated and try something stupid to try to hulksmash the thing out.

i have another heatsink enclosure that houses my nvme boot drive, and there's an open nvme slot beside it. i decided to just throw the drive in there and settle for gen 3 speeds.

well, there's barely any hand space between my gpu and the bottom of my case where it houses the psu for me to be able to work with. i could get the housing lid off and i'm confident that i could probably get the drive in where its supposed to go, but the screws for the top of the enclosure housing lid thingy are so tiny and the space is so cramped that there would be no way i could get the screws back into their rightful place without first removing the gpu. my hands are just too big and the space is just too small. it was way too sketchy and i could already see the problem that was going to happen if i tried to do this

in order for me to get my gpu out of there, i'm going to have to rip my cpu cooler out of there first. and my noctua nh-d15 isn't the most pleasant thing to work with. re-pasting and putting it all back together is a hassle that i just dont want to be bothered with. i'm so fucking done with that shit.

when i bought my 4070ti i don't remember what i did to get my 2080 out of there. i think i may have gotten lucky with a pencil, but this morning i did not. my 2080 wasnt really as thick but my new gpu is a chonky boi.

i feel so defeated right now. usually installing a drive into a computer is like a 5 minute ordeal for me at most. i shouldn't have to rip apart most of my computer just to do it.

having to take my cooler out is where i draw the line. i've decided that i am just going to keep the 990 pro and use it as a secondary drive when i build a new rig.
 
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idrankyourbeer said:
well my mission to install a new hard drive, which would normally be a simple thing, resulted in nothing more than a glorified dusting operation.

all i needed to do is remove my gpu, unscrew the heatsink enclosure and stick the drive in there and put it all back together. wham bam thank you mam.

but i can't get my gpu out because my cpu cooler and my gpu is to thick for me to get a hand down in there and unlatch it from the pcie slot. i managed to be able to reach the latch with a chopstick and a pencil and another wooden pokey thing (albeit sketchy) but while rocking the card back and forth i couldnt get enough tension to jam the pcie latch open and i would just keep slipping. i didnt want to try to unlatch it with anything more firm because one wrong slip could end in catastrophic motherboard failure, so i just stopped before i get too frustrated and try something stupid to try to hulksmash the thing out.

i have another heatsink enclosure that houses my nvme boot drive, and there's an open nvme slot beside it. i decided to just throw the drive in there and settle for gen 3 speeds.

well, there's barely any hand space between my gpu and the bottom of my case where it houses the gpu for me to be able to work with. i could get the housing lid off and i'm confident that i could probably get the drive in where its supposed to go, but the screws for the top of the enclosure housing lid thingy are so tiny and the space is so cramped that there would be no way i could get the screws back into their rightful place without first removing the gpu. my hands are just too big and the space is just too small. it was way too sketchy and i could already see the problem that was going to happen if i tried to do this

in order for me to get my gpu out of there, i'm going to have to rip my cpu cooler out of there first. and my noctua nh-d15 isn't the most pleasant thing to work with. re-pasting and putting it all back together is a hassle that i just dont want to be bothered with. i'm so fucking done with that shit.

when i bought my 4070ti i don't remember what i did to get my 2080 out of there. i think i may have gotten lucky with a pencil, but this morning i did not.

having to take my cooler out is where i draw the line. i've decided that i am just going to keep the 990 pro and use it as a secondary drive when i build a new rig.

i feel so defeated right now. usually installing a drive into a computer is like a 5 minute ordeal for me at most. i shouldn't have to rip apart most of my computer just to do it.
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Yeah, that's one downside of NVME. Usually the slots are buried in the middle of the motherboard underneath both GPU overhand and/or the CPU cooler itself. Not nearly as easy as just plugging in the old HDD or SSD drives (though depending on the situation of the drive bay and how tight the case space that could also be more involved than one would anticipate).

As annoying as it is, though, I try to look at the part of the glass that is half full in these situations. We're supposed to re-paste every few years, but let's be real, few of us undertake operations like that unless we're forced to do it. If you only installed the cooler a year ago or so, yeh, this mindset isn't justified, but if it was several years ago, you could view this as the kick in the pants to get that done.

And even if you don't, at least, you gave it that glorified dusting. Forced you to bust out the air compressor. Wash the mesh grills. That's a good thing. And the drive will feel like a Christmas present when you make your next build.
 
Madmick said:
Yeah, that's one downside of NVME. Usually the slots are buried in the middle of the motherboard underneath both GPU overhand and/or the CPU cooler itself. Not nearly as easy as just plugging in the old HDD or SSD drives (though depending on the situation of the drive bay and how tight the case space that could also be more involved than one would anticipate).

As annoying as it is, though, I try to look at the part of the glass that is half full in these situations. We're supposed to re-paste every few years, but let's be real, few of us undertake operations like that unless we're forced to do it. If you only installed the cooler a year ago or so, yeh, this mindset isn't justified, but if it was several years ago, you could view this as the kick in the pants to get that done.

And even if you don't, at least, you gave it that glorified dusting. Forced you to bust out the air compressor. Wash the mesh grills. That's a good thing. And the drive will feel like a Christmas present when you make your next build.
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yeah i put this thing together a little over 2 years ago. the temps are still as good as ever and i really have no valid reason to repaste. well, now i kinda do i guess. i know i have a bunch of old paste sitting around. i dont even remember where i put it. maybe in a motherboard box. but it's a little old now and might not be as good, and if i'm gonna repaste i'd rather just order new shit.

i'm just going to throw in the towel and say fuck it, i'll just start moving games back and forth from my SSD to my HDD as need be. and maybe try to finish up with more of the games on my ssd so i can delete them and free up space.

i'm about to install cyberpunk 2077, but it's gonna leave me with about a hundred gigs of free space. which is cutting things a bit close. that's why i started shopping for another drive in the first place. so i wouldnt have to move games around or delete them and all that.

i'm kinda kicking myself trying to remember how i got my old gpu out. i'm pretty sure i used a pencil. well i tried for a good ten minutes prodding at the latch with a pencil trying to get the new one out today. and i'm pretty sure if i kept trying it would all be for nothing. i think i must have just gotten lucky getting my 2080 out of there. or it just wasn't chonky enough to give me this issue.

i'm trying to keep a cool head but this has just pissed me off and fucked my day. i shouldnt have to rip my fucking cooler off just to install a new drive.
 
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idrankyourbeer said:
but i can't get my gpu out because my cpu cooler and my gpu is to thick for me to get a hand down in there and unlatch it from the pcie slot.
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Madmick said:
Yeah, that's one downside of NVME. Usually the slots are buried in the middle of the motherboard underneath both GPU overhand and/or the CPU cooler itself. Not nearly as easy as just plugging in the old HDD or SSD drives (though depending on the situation of the drive bay and how tight the case space that could also be more involved than one would anticipate).
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Newer motherboards are starting to standardize a new GPU unlatching mechanism. Basically a mechanical mechanism closer to the SATA slots of your motherboard. Which gives your fingers easier access to unlatch the GPU.

Problem is one of the motherboard manufacturers patented it. Causing all other motherboard manufacturers to find another solution without infringing upon that patent.
 
idrankyourbeer said:
those greasy cockroaches. fucking hell.
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Its a drastically easier task when building a new rig over upgrading a existing one. For the NVME drive, ram, CPU and CPU cooler should be installed outside the case.

I bought a NVME drive when they first hit the market since my motherboard supported it. Theyve made much needed improvements to its installation. Fastening screw is now the same size as the standoff screw. Where the fastening screw now has a tongue and groove type piece to hold the NVME drive in its place.

Initially the fastening screw was the bottom right. Today both fastening and standoff screws are the top left or top right.
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Ryzen 9000 series launch has been delayed for two weeks.

From Tech Jesus (Gamers Nexus)

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Probably so they can hike up prices in response to Intel's goof.

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Imagine it's 1999 and you want an iMac so your parents get you this instead:

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Slobodan said:
I know but also on my motherboard, the the top PCIE slot is lower than most standard motherboards as you can see:

View attachment 1054163

And with a beefy GPU like the PowerColor Red Devil 7900XTX that I have, it will be really close to whatever I put on the bottom PCIE slot. So I also wanted something a bit smaller so as not to restrict airflow because the old riser card blocked off too much imo But now I also have the NZXT H7 Flow case that I told you about so it doesn't really matter
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It's because MSI's "Frozr" M2 heatsink is way too big. Compared to the mobo I'm probably gonna get:

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My Spot said:
It's because MSI's "Frozr" M2 heatsink is way too big. Compared to the mobo I'm probably gonna get:

specsmall01.jpg
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It's two M.2 heatsinks on top of the graphics card, I don't know why they went in that direction. That looks like the Aorus X570 Elite AX, I've had that one before (one of the M.2 sockets became faulty though)

KaNesDeath said:
First review is in. 7800X3D is ~10% faster than the 9900X in gaming:

www.forbes.com

AMD Ryzen 9 9900X Review Leak: Slower Than 7800X3D in Games

Game performace for the Ryzen 9 9900X has leaked a week ahead of the launch, comparing it to the Ryzen 7 7800X3D. IS it bad news for Ryzen 9000?
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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I will wait until the full release as these early CPUs are not up to spec, which could impact performance.
 
Slobodan said:
I will wait until the full release as these early CPUs are not up to spec, which could impact performance.
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Like @My Spot already said AMD came out two(?) months ago saying their non-X3D 9000 series CPU's wouldnt outperform the 7000X3D in gaming. This is just the first confirmation of that being true.
 
My Spot said:
This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone especially since AMD said it wouldn't beat the 7800X3D in gaming like a month ago.
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KaNesDeath said:
Like @My Spot already said AMD came out two(?) months ago saying their non-X3D 9000 series CPU's wouldnt outperform the 7000X3D in gaming. This is just the first confirmation of that being true.
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As another poster pointed out at the time, this isn't that important a comparison to make for prospective buyers for the 9000 series because we are all more preoccupied with the IPC uplift of the 9000 series vs. the 7000 series: apples to apples.

Only those prospective buyers after the best gaming CPU in the world will care, and while they certainly had an eyebrow raised in anticipation, those buyers were always going to be more interested in waiting for the 9000 series X3D CPU if they were already being patient. They're probably in for a 6-8 month wait if precedent holds. Because the IPC uplift gleaned from above will provide insight into what they can expect from the 9000 series X3D in performance over the 7000 series X3D chips.

Release Dates
7000 series (non-X3D) --> Sep-2022
7950X3D/7900X3D ------> Feb-2023
7800X3D -------------------> Apr-2023

Also, I look forward to the more professional, competent reviews from those who respect the NDA.
 
Madmick said:
As another poster pointed out at the time, this isn't that important a comparison to make for prospective buyers for the 9000 series because we are all more preoccupied with the IPC uplift of the 9000 series vs. the 7000 series: apples to apples.
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This is a gaming hardware thread. Im not going to hedge results for AMD that their 9000 series release has workstation uplift over the non-X3D 7000 series.

If looking for positives. AMD sort of learned with their previous two series launch prices with 9000.
 
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