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Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

Looks like the RTX 4070 has finally been officially confirmed (at least the chipset part). Will be priced at $599 which is a +$100 bump over last gen. This is another disappointing slap in the face from NVIDIA. The performance bump over its predecessor after two years doesn't justify the price hike. Even $549 would have reflected a "you'll take it because you have to" smirk.

It's inferior across the board in all major specifications versus the original RTX 3080 except VRAM amount (+2GB) and L2 cache amount, so it will offer an inferior framerate. The only consolation for this is the lower power draw. The 3080 released 2 1/2 years ago at an MSRP of $699. That wasn't an obtainable price, and still isn't, but there have been frequent sales over the past year of well-made prebuilts carrying the 3080 for under $1600 including, for example, the HP Omen X from Best Buy for $1300, that effected a cost as low as ~$500 for the GPU at the time of the sale when accounting for the cost of all the included parts/software.

#Sigh
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Madmick said:
Looks like the RTX 4070 has finally been officially confirmed (at least the chipset part). Will be priced at $599 which is a +$100 bump over last gen. This is another disappointing slap in the face from NVIDIA. The performance bump over its predecessor after two years doesn't justify the price hike. Even $549 would have reflected a "you'll take it because you have to" smirk.

It's inferior across the board in all major specifications versus the original RTX 3080 except VRAM amount (+2GB) and L2 cache amount, so it will offer an inferior framerate. The only consolation for this is the lower power draw. The 3080 released 2 1/2 years ago at an MSRP of $699. That wasn't an obtainable price, and still isn't, but there have been frequent sales over the past year of well-made prebuilts carrying the 3080 for under $1600 including, for example, the HP Omen X from Best Buy for $1300, that effected a cost as low as ~$500 for the GPU at the time of the sale when accounting for the cost of all the included parts/software.

#Sigh
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man the prices of all these new cards are awful. they dont even take you out for a nice dinner first before they fuck you like that.
 
Madmick said:
Looks like the RTX 4070 has finally been officially confirmed (at least the chipset part). Will be priced at $599 which is a +$100 bump over last gen. This is another disappointing slap in the face from NVIDIA. The performance bump over its predecessor after two years doesn't justify the price hike. Even $549 would have reflected a "you'll take it because you have to" smirk.
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idrankyourbeer said:
man the prices of all these new cards are awful. they dont even take you out for a nice dinner first before they fuck you like that.
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Worth noting that MSI's placeholder pages for a tower with the RTX 4070, 13700KF, liquid cooling and 2TB SSD are around 1800-1900 bucks. Dollars to donuts that is a placeholder price, but hey, miracles happen (I doubt it here).
Madmick said:
That wasn't an obtainable price, and still isn't, but there have been frequent sales over the past year of well-made prebuilts carrying the 3080 for under $1600 including, for example, the HP Omen X from Best Buy for $1300, that effected a cost as low as ~$500 for the GPU at the time of the sale when accounting for the cost of all the included parts/software.
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Deal of a lifetime for anyone who snagged it up since HP was discontinuing that model, hence the crazy price. Most retail RTX 3080 prebuilds are still around $2,000, even with sales this year.
 
avenue94 said:
Worth noting that MSI's placeholder pages for a tower with the RTX 4070, 13700KF, liquid cooling and 2TB SSD are around 1800-1900 bucks. Dollars to donuts that is a placeholder price, but hey, miracles happen (I doubt it here).

Deal of a lifetime for anyone who snagged it up since HP was discontinuing that model, hence the crazy price. Most retail RTX 3080 prebuilds are still around $2,000, even with sales this year.
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Not sure if I'd go that far, but probably the strongest deal of the year, as I mentioned when I flagged it on here when it happened. Clearouts to make way for new inventory with the latest generation hardware are routine. The /bpcs sub is littered with >$1600 sales from the past year.

Hell, at this very moment the entry 3080 prebuild from Newegg (via third party) is $1600. The next is $1650. And while Alienware gets beat up, plenty, there is an active sale on an Aurora R14 with a 3080 for $1350.
 
Madmick said:
Not sure if I'd go that far, but probably the strongest deal of the year, as I mentioned when I flagged it on here when it happened. Clearouts to make way for new inventory with the latest generation hardware are routine. The /bpcs sub is littered with >$1600 sales from the past year.
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Routine yes, but not as regular as one would think, especially with the pace of GPU launches the past couple years and the gaming market cooling. As far as that HP Omen, put it this way, looking at the entire retail history of RTX 3080 builds, I can literally count on one hand the number of better price/paper specs deals. The only thing comparable something like this Microcenter, where they managed to get an RTX 3080 prebuild under $900 bucks.

Madmick said:
Hell, at this very moment the entry 3080 prebuild from Newegg (via third party) is $1600. The next is $1650. And while Alienware gets beat up, plenty, there is an active sale on an Aurora R14 with a 3080 for $1350.
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You'll find odd third-party deals like that on Newegg, and obviously if you know what you're doing and where you look you'll find something. Newegg itself has about about two dozen RTX 3080 PC listings, not even 20% were under 2 grand. Granted, most 3090 stock from big builders is gone, 3080 is getting lowish, but not quite fire sale levels of price/stock. Ditto on Alienware, since they just started their R15 refresh. HP is also finally refreshing Omen as well. Summer should be interesting for people in the market for prebuilds.
 
Madmick said:
Looks like the RTX 4070 has finally been officially confirmed (at least the chipset part). Will be priced at $599 which is a +$100 bump over last gen. This is another disappointing slap in the face from NVIDIA. The performance bump over its predecessor after two years doesn't justify the price hike. Even $549 would have reflected a "you'll take it because you have to" smirk.

It's inferior across the board in all major specifications versus the original RTX 3080 except VRAM amount (+2GB) and L2 cache amount, so it will offer an inferior framerate. The only consolation for this is the lower power draw. The 3080 released 2 1/2 years ago at an MSRP of $699. That wasn't an obtainable price, and still isn't, but there have been frequent sales over the past year of well-made prebuilts carrying the 3080 for under $1600 including, for example, the HP Omen X from Best Buy for $1300, that effected a cost as low as ~$500 for the GPU at the time of the sale when accounting for the cost of all the included parts/software.

#Sigh
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I agree that nVidia is in fact trying to take advantage of its consumers and its partners (EVGA)

Right before the 40 series GPUs came out 30 series GPUs were being offered at deep discounts- meaning the MSRPs of that gen were already seriously inflated. I happened to score an EVGA 3080 at MSRP because I got in on their list early, so when the 40 series GPUs came out I was interested... until I learned of the pricing.

I always like to have the latest and greatest but since the price initially put me off, I learned in recent months the 3080 in my rig is still more than adequate for the games I play at 4K.

Maybe when the 50 series GPUs are about to come out and the 40 series units are being sold at a discount I'll look into a 4080. Maybe.
 
avenue94 said:
Routine yes, but not as regular as one would think, especially with the pace of GPU launches the past couple years and the gaming market cooling. As far as that HP Omen, put it this way, looking at the entire retail history of RTX 3080 builds, I can literally count on one hand the number of better price/paper specs deals. The only thing comparable something like this Microcenter, where they managed to get an RTX 3080 prebuild under $900 bucks.

You'll find odd third-party deals like that on Newegg, and obviously if you know what you're doing and where you look you'll find something. Newegg itself has about about two dozen RTX 3080 PC listings, not even 20% were under 2 grand. Granted, most 3090 stock from big builders is gone, 3080 is getting lowish, but not quite fire sale levels of price/stock. Ditto on Alienware, since they just started their R15 refresh. HP is also finally refreshing Omen as well. Summer should be interesting for people in the market for prebuilds.
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I'm not talking about the average any more than I'm discussing the average price of fresh retail GPU's (relative to the MSRP) at launch. I'm merely exhibiting the price floor for a prebuild with a 3080 in new condition.

Tabling that, the point is simply that we normally expect a leap in the raw performance:value curve with new generations of hardware. That isn't happening, here. The 4070 is priced $100 cheaper than the 3080 was, which already hiked the MSRP of the xx80 class, and based on specifications, if those are accurate, we might expect a level of performance which would have made this pricing consistent if the cards were released contemporaneously. That's disappointing.
 
Madmick said:
I'm not talking about the average any more than I'm discussing the average price of fresh retail GPU's (relative to the MSRP) at launch. I'm merely exhibiting the price floor for a prebuild with a 3080 in new condition.

Tabling that, the point is simply that we normally expect a leap in the raw performance:value curve with new generations of hardware. That isn't happening, here. The 4070 is priced $100 cheaper than the 3080 was, which already hiked the MSRP of the xx80 class, and based on specifications, if those are accurate, we might expect a level of performance which would have made this pricing consistent if the cards were released contemporaneously. That's disappointing.
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No disagreements there from me. The only interesting thing with the 4070 is the lower tdp, which makes me curious if any brands are gonna shift it down into their budget lines that top out traditionally at a 60 or 60ti.
 
Really disappointed in Nvidia since the awesome 10XX/Pascal lineup.
 
My Spot said:
Really disappointed in Nvidia since the awesome 10XX/Pascal lineup.
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I think if AMD gets a ray tracing solution, or if RT starts to become a more optimized part of software, like engines became, that the playing field will level.

For me, the only reason why I pick NVidia is because they have ray tracing and DLSS. FSR is getting better. But right now Nvidia knows they can screw everyone because when you look at something like Cyberpunk with Psycho RT, operating at 100fps, there's just no answer. Really pulling for AMD to come up with one, and soon. $1600.00 for a high end GPU is awful.
 
Are there any keyboard nerds here? I'm looking at buying or building a new one.
 
5800X3D is still one helluva CPU for gaming at $300.
 
Madmick said:


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@Madmick looks like I made a good choice. 7950x3d still king of the hill overall. I am aware that 6 months+ from now there will be better options out there but hopefully I can hold onto that CPU for a bit now.

Now im debating whether I should get 4090 or wait for another 20gb+ gpu with less power draw
 
Yeah honestly I’d be a little pissed if I had bought a 7950x3D. I guess if you care about productive some but not a lot, and you game a lot, then maybe it’s an ok deal ?
 
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Yeah honestly I’d be a little pissed if I had bought a 7950x3D. I guess if you care about productive some but not a lot, and you game a lot, then maybe it’s an ok deal ?
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No. AMD intentionally staggered release dates to offload a inferior product at a inflated price tag.
 
KaNesDeath said:
No. AMD intentionally staggered release dates to offload a inferior product at a inflated price tag.
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It's not an "inferior product". It's an inferior value. Don't conflate the two.

The 7950X3D is a better processor than the 7800X3D. The 7800X3D won the overall gaming averages in a few benchmark suites, notably Tom's Hardware and Techpowerup's that have already been posted above, but across the gamut, they were almost always within 1%-2% of each other, trading blows, and that's how it is for individual games. If you inspect closely, usually, for the most demanding, most recent AAA games, the 7950X3D tends to win.

For editing, the 7950X is patently superior, even if it isn't as strong as the 13900K/KF. I think the latter makes more sense for those who do both, but there might be some who place a heavy priority on gaming, but also want some extra processing power for editing, but only occassionally. They're the market niche for whom it makes sense. Or perhaps Nameless, who wants to run this processor into the ground, holding onto it for nearly a decade like he did his last. There's always the possibility they unlock the second CCX down the road.

AMD definitely pulled a cash grab on consumers, that was shitty of them, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be precise in our criticism of the product.
 
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There’s some EKWB, Noctua, Phanteks, and AlphaCool products.
 
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