Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[WhiteMousse]

Guys I'd like some feedback between these two mobos. I've read that Gigabyte's are the best because they practically never have compatibility issues. I'm also reading that B650's are the best for gaming, but when I ask why nobody knows. This MSI mobo is really pretty, and fits with the theme I'm doing (MSI case, GPU and mobo).

However the Gigabyte Aorus that I use for my current rig is indeed very nice, and I've never had issues with it. Thoughts?

 

[mixmastermo]

I agree that nVidia is in fact trying to take advantage of its consumers and its partners (EVGA)

Right before the 40 series GPUs came out 30 series GPUs were being offered at deep discounts- meaning the MSRPs of that gen were already seriously inflated. I happened to score an EVGA 3080 at MSRP because I got in on their list early, so when the 40 series GPUs came out I was interested... until I learned of the pricing.

I always like to have the latest and greatest but since the price initially put me off, I learned in recent months the 3080 in my rig is still more than adequate for the games I play at 4K.

Maybe when the 50 series GPUs are about to come out and the 40 series units are being sold at a discount I'll look into a 4080. Maybe.

I was talking shit in this post.

Over the weekend I noticed an open box gigabyte rtx 4080 gaming oc for less than $1k at micro center...

This card usually retails for close to $1300

I bought it and it works great. Playing plenty of modern games at 4k with all the bells and whistles at over 100 fps. Pretty crazy actually.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Guys I'd like some feedback between these two mobos. I've read that Gigabyte's are the best because they practically never have compatibility issues. I'm also reading that B650's are the best for gaming, but when I ask why nobody knows. This MSI mobo is really pretty, and fits with the theme I'm doing (MSI case, GPU and mobo).

Did you take you pink shorts out of storage for the summer? : )~

 

[WhiteMousse]

Did you take you pink shorts out of storage for the summer? : )~

Wait wha?

 

[Madmick]

Guys I'd like some feedback between these two mobos. I've read that Gigabyte's are the best because they practically never have compatibility issues.

Ask anyone who makes claims like these to substantiate the claim. List the source detailing all the different devices tested. The people who parrot those claims never do. So don't waste your time on them.

I'm also reading that B650's are the best for gaming, but when I ask why nobody knows.

No. The B-series boards just tend to be a sweet spot because they offer everything gamers could want, but typically at a lower price than the X-series boards. On an absolute scale, comparing feature sets:
X670E > X670 > B650E > B650
https://www.amd.com/en/chipsets/am5
Ars Technica: Everything you need to know about Zen 4, socket AM5, and AMD’s newest chipsets

 

[WhiteMousse]

Ask anyone who makes claims like these to substantiate the claim. List the source detailing all the different devices tested. The people who parrot those claims never do. So don't waste your time on them.

No. The B-series boards just tend to be a sweet spot because they offer everything gamers could want, but typically at a lower price than the X-series boards. On an absolute scale, comparing feature sets:
X670E > X670 > B650E > B650
https://www.amd.com/en/chipsets/am5
Ars Technica: Everything you need to know about Zen 4, socket AM5, and AMD’s newest chipsets

Thanks so much man. This is extraordinarily helpful

 

[PEB]

So Microsoft maybe working on their own GPU technology. Likely to respond to GPU costs APU costs or AI systems. Google is demonstrating an insane processor for graphics "image processing" an AI computing. It uses optical interconnects an revised tensor cores.

More info:

"Microsoft has a lot riding on AI, so much that it’s reportedly developing its own superpowered chip designed specifically for training and running its sophisticated chatbot systems. This chip, code-named “Athena,” would need Olympus-sized power to channel all of Microsoft’s ambitions in the AI arena."

 

[WhiteMousse]

So Microsoft maybe working on their own GPU technology. Likely to respond to GPU costs APU costs or AI systems. Google is demonstrating an insane processor for graphics "image processing" an AI computing. It uses optical interconnects an revised tensor cores.

More info:

"Microsoft has a lot riding on AI, so much that it’s reportedly developing its own superpowered chip designed specifically for training and running its sophisticated chatbot systems. This chip, code-named “Athena,” would need Olympus-sized power to channel all of Microsoft’s ambitions in the AI arena."

Good Nvidia needs some serious competition. Buncha punks

 

[jefferz]

SSD prices are hitting historical lows, but not for long.
SSD & Memory Manufacturers To Lower Production & Focus On Price Increases As Demand Slumps
So if you've been thinking about getting a new SSD, now is the time. We're seeing budget 1tb Sata drives hitting under $40. Even mid-tier 2tb NVME's are going for under $80.

 

[jefferz]

Sparkle is returning to the GPU game with 3 Intel Arc GPU's.

 

[KaNesDeath]

SSD prices are hitting historical lows, but not for long.
SSD & Memory Manufacturers To Lower Production & Focus On Price Increases As Demand Slumps
So if you've been thinking about getting a new SSD, now is the time. We're seeing budget 1tb Sata drives hitting under $40. Even mid-tier 2tb NVME's are going for under $80.

Kind of makes sense why. Transition from Sata SSD to NVME was insanely fast compared to Sata SSD from Sata HDD. Plus storage doesnt have a future growth path. NVME seems like the endgame for Pc storage.

 

[Slobodan]

SSD prices are hitting historical lows, but not for long.
SSD & Memory Manufacturers To Lower Production & Focus On Price Increases As Demand Slumps
So if you've been thinking about getting a new SSD, now is the time. We're seeing budget 1tb Sata drives hitting under $40. Even mid-tier 2tb NVME's are going for under $80.

Yeah there have been some nice deals lately over here.

I got the Kingston NV2, Samsung 970 Evo, Plus, the PNY (bought last week, it's a 4TB Gen 4) and the Crucial P3 Plus this year. I don't "need" them, I already have 7 SSDs in my PC, not counting the 4 portable SSDs I already have. I've got a problem. I'm probably gonna give one or two to friends.

 

[Madmick]

Intel Arc Revisited

Across an impressive eight major updates in just six months, performance has been improved consistently in a wide variety of games, and the cards are more stable with a now-much-better Arc Control software suite.

Most of the games tested on the Arc A750 and A770 showed an improvement in overall FPS of 5 to 10 percent, with at least some gains in 1 percent lows indicating an improvement of stability. Games that weren’t available six months ago were tested with their launch driver. These results weren’t universal — a few games like Watch Dogs Legion were more or less static, especially if they were running on newer tech like DirecX12. The much older Counter-Strike: GO saw the biggest gains — up to 30 performance improvement over the launch driver.

Though general stability kept these value-driven cards from being an easy recommendation at launch, Keith says it hasn’t been much of a problem since then, clearing one of the biggest consumer-facing hurdles for this new player in the GPU market. (Just make sure you enable resizable BAR, one of the crucial technologies making these cards viable.) Xe Super Sampling, Intel’s answer to Nvidia’s DLSS and AMD’s Fixelity FX Super Resolution, is also showing promising boosts in the games that support it.

 

[jefferz]

Intel Arc Revisited

I wouldn't buy this generation of cards, but it's exciting to see Intel improving performance. In a couple of generations, they might be a recommended buy.

 

[jefferz]

Yeah there have been some nice deals lately over here.

I got the Kingston NV2, Samsung 970 Evo, Plus, the PNY (bought last week, it's a 4TB Gen 4) and the Crucial P3 Plus this year. I don't "need" them, I already have 7 SSDs in my PC, not counting the 4 portable SSDs I already have. I've got a problem. I'm probably gonna give one or two to friends.

I picked up one of those cheap Silicon Power 1tb SSD's that I linked in that post. I'm using it in my HTPC as a game backup drive for my gaming computer. It's not going to be the fastest when pulling those games off the drive, but it'll still be faster than having to redownload everything.
In my gaming computer, I'm currently running a 960 Evo 500gb as my boot, a 2tb Intel 660p, a 512gb Intel 660p, a 128gb Adata something nvme, and 2 WD Blue M.2 Sata 500gb drives. I'd like to replace the Evo, and change the Blue's to a single 1tb NVME drive, but I know for what I'm doing it with them, it won't make any difference.

 

[Nameless King]

@Madmick need help

As you know I am the unlucky owner of x3d, I dont have any issues yet with burning CPU, i dont overclock and dont plan to. I also didnt push my CPU yet to 100%.

I reached out to my PC manufacturer for help with BIOS update but after few emails I went to conclusion to maybe go on safer side and underclock. This is the support I received:

Do you think its safe to 1.2V?

Also will it affect performance/stability/lifespan?

I mean whatever this guy says is under warranty I just need second opinion.

 

[Madmick]

@Madmick need help

As you know I am the unlucky owner of x3d, I dont have any issues yet with burning CPU, i dont overclock and dont plan to. I also didnt push my CPU yet to 100%.

I reached out to my PC manufacturer for help with BIOS update but after few emails I went to conclusion to maybe go on safer side and underclock. This is the support I received:

Do you think its safe to 1.2V?

Also will it affect performance/stability/lifespan?

I mean whatever this guy says is under warranty I just need second opinion.

Yes. A quick scour of Reddit from fellow owners informs me that the EXPO profiles will run the SoC voltage up to 1.35V at default settings. So your manufacturer is directing you to undervolt along the EXPO profile. You can try stepping it down, testing each time if it's stable, to achieve an even lower underclock. This user reports he got things stable at 1.1V. That's luck of the draw with your particular chip. The goal is that you sacrifice nothing with frequencies, but produce less heat by delivering less power to the chip.

 

[Nameless King]

Yes. A quick scour of Reddit from fellow owners informs me that the EXPO profiles will run the SoC voltage up to 1.35V at default settings. So your manufacturer is directing you to undervolt along the EXPO profile. You can try stepping it down, testing each time if it's stable, to achieve an even lower underclock. This user reports he got things stable at 1.1V. That's luck of the draw with your particular chip. The goal is that you sacrifice nothing with frequencies, but produce less heat by delivering less power to the chip.

I changed it to 1.2V but it still shows going above 1.3V

 

[Madmick]

I changed it to 1.2V but it still shows going above 1.3V

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Read the rest of that chat thread starting with the post I shared in Reddit. There are three separate voltage readouts. Use HWInfo.

 

[Nameless King]

Read the rest of that chat thread starting with the post I shared in Reddit. There are three separate voltage readouts. Use HWInfo.

And now as I played game the voltage dropped significantly below 1.2V but when idle it goes as high as 1.38V

Sorry, I dont have a clue how all that works