Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[PEB]

I fucking knew this would happen. Fuck these guys

The best part these prices will likely jump hugely when stores and distributors get their grubby hands on them. TSMC said they are still being massively effected by COVID on their supply channels leading me to believe it will mean a trickle not a flood of new boards. This is why additional foundry capacity is so important because TSMC cannot carry this alone and nether can Samsung.

 

[WhiteMousse]

The best part these prices will likely jump hugely when stores and distributors get their grubby hands on them. TSMC said they are still being massively effected by COVID on their supply channels leading me to believe it will mean a trickle not a flood of new boards. This is why additional foundry capacity is so important because TSMC cannot carry this alone and nether can Samsung.

Jesus imagine an Asus or Gigabyte AIB of the 4090. The RTX 3090 is $1499.99 and the Aorus is $2249.99.

 

[PEB]

Oh on a side note I saw on Ebay EVGA RTX 3060 Ti 12 gig models for sale for something like 680 dollars not good but way better then 1,100 dollars but not familiar with the California based distributor but they already sold tons of them. Have not bought one because I am in the middle of remodeling my apartment house no money left.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194351380385?epid=2315640392&hash=item2d403eb7a1:g:1c8AAOSwL55hOnRV

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

So I'm trying over clocking, using Intel Extreme Tuning Utility.

I've upped by performance core ratio from 42x to 46x to go from 4.2 Ghz max to 4.6.

It improved my XTU2 Marks from 1758 to 1923.

I have no idea if this is good or not, or worth it. My CPU is a i7-6700K.

I haven't touched my Processor Cache Ratio as I don't know what it does so it's 41x right now at 4.1 GHz.

When I hit hte run benchmark my CPU temp maxed at about 75 degrees. "Package temperature"

I have a custom closed loop CPU cooler.

Anybody with more expertise know if sticking to the 4.6GHz makes sense?

 

[My Spot]

Oh on a side note I saw on Ebay EVGA RTX 3060 Ti 12 gig models for sale for something like 680 dollars not good but way better then 1,100 dollars but not familiar with the California based distributor but they already sold tons of them. Have not bought one because I am in the middle of remodeling my apartment house no money left.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194351380385?epid=2315640392&hash=item2d403eb7a1:g:1c8AAOSwL55hOnRV

That's weird, since he's also selling a 2060 S for $1000.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeFor...DR6-Graphics-Card-08G-P4-3163-KR/194292376774

 

[PEB]

That's weird, since he's also selling a 2060 S for $1000.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeFor...DR6-Graphics-Card-08G-P4-3163-KR/194292376774

Cannot explain it just see the price for the 3060 maybe the 2060 still can be used for mining? Just guessing why the premium.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Oh on a side note I saw on Ebay EVGA RTX 3060 Ti 12 gig models for sale for something like 680 dollars not good but way better then 1,100 dollars but not familiar with the California based distributor but they already sold tons of them. Have not bought one because I am in the middle of remodeling my apartment house no money left.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194351380385?epid=2315640392&hash=item2d403eb7a1:g:1c8AAOSwL55hOnRV

that doens't look like the Ti model to me.

 

[PEB]

that doens't look like the Ti model to me.

I am corrected still way less then many.

 

[TheJewBear]

Crossposting this from another thread since this may be a better place.

We all know that building your own PC is cost-effective and rewarding. No disputing that.

But I remember "back in the day" (2003-2006) when I was addicted to PC gaming, I always wanted a Falcon-NW gaming PC. Partially due to their slick advertising and web site design but the prices were always prohibitively high. Especially for a high school kid.

Now with more disposable income and lacking a gaming PC, I am in the market again for something new and awesome. I have zero desire to build a PC ever again (I did several builds a decade ago and have not kept up with changes in the industry) and Falcon-NW still appeals to me.

The question is, are high-end gaming PC manufcaturers like Falcon-NW, Alienware and Voodoo (or whatever they are called today) in any way justifiable, or are the costs insanely inflated for nothing other than brand-name? Just how stupid would it be to pay for a Falcon-NW PC?

 

[jefferz]

Crossposting this from another thread since this may be a better place.

We all know that building your own PC is cost-effective and rewarding. No disputing that.

But I remember "back in the day" (2003-2006) when I was addicted to PC gaming, I always wanted a Falcon-NW gaming PC. Partially due to their slick advertising and web site design but the prices were always prohibitively high. Especially for a high school kid.

Now with more disposable income and lacking a gaming PC, I am in the market again for something new and awesome. I have zero desire to build a PC ever again (I did several builds a decade ago and have not kept up with changes in the industry) and Falcon-NW still appeals to me.

The question is, are high-end gaming PC manufcaturers like Falcon-NW, Alienware and Voodoo (or whatever they are called today) in any way justifiable, or are the costs insanely inflated for nothing other than brand-name? Just how stupid would it be to pay for a Falcon-NW PC?

I haven't heard anyone talk about Falcon-NW in a long time. Origin has taken over as the expensive boutique builder but personally I wouldn't order from them.

Linus Tech had a good series from November of last year covering a bunch of different PC builders. They had a person who knew nothing about PC's do the ordering, created a issue to see how well the companies tech support was, etc.

Spoiler

GamersNexus has been doing prebuilt PC reviews lately as well.

 

[PEB]

Interesting stuff about the complexity of making chip manufacturing hardware.

 

[jefferz]

Holy crap, Linus invested $225k in Framework.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Holy crap, Linus invested $225k in Framework.

Dude just bought his family a massive house and gutted it for a complete renovation. Bit shocking he'd invest so much in a niche venture.

 

[Slobodan]

Dude just bought his family a massive house and gutted it for a complete renovation. Bit shocking he'd invest so much in a niche venture.

He said on one is his streams that he's made enough money that he never has to work a day in his life and I believe this was back in 2019 when he called out Nvidia for something, so I'm not surprised that he invested that much.

 

[PEB]

He said on one is his streams that he's made enough money that he never has to work a day in his life and I believe this was back in 2019 when he called out Nvidia for something, so I'm not surprised that he invested that much.

225k is really not that much of a risk for an ownership stake. He could lose it all but he is hardly hard up for money having promoted an developed products with names like Samsung, Sony, IBM an other large names.

He has a large enough base nearly 14 million an like 1.2 millon daily views he's worth millions an millions. 225,000. This is a longer term investment an it seems like he's moving away from daily reviews to a more limited involvement. It seems to he is looking for them to become stable an profitable very small company based on his numbers in 3 to 4 years.

EDIT:He's using his clout to become a first stage VC. Facebook first VC famously backed other startups an only put in 500,000 to get like 20 percent of Facebook. Not bad return on investment grew to be worth billions.

 

[PEB]

Holy crap, Linus invested $225k in Framework.

 

[PEB]

 

[Madmick]

Intel's upcoming Alder Lake lineup schematics have been leaked:
https://wccftech.com/intel-12th-gen...-with-12-core-i5-with-6-core-i3-with-4-cores/

Just a rumor, and these usually have multiple inaccuracies, so I won't bother reprinting the table here, or discussing it in too much detail, but there are a few interesting things to note.

First, Intel appears to be going full Vishera with the PL2 states. Fortunately, unlike AMD's infamous Vishera processors, these aren't the stock clocks, you have to activate them, and I doubt anyone who knows how to do that will have bought an insufficient CPU cooler, motherboard, or PSU to run it. Still, 228W TDPs are a bracing figure to take in. Definite throwback to AMD during more desperate times.

Second, notice that the i9-12900K is 16 cores, but only 24 threads; the 12700K is 12 cores, but only 20 threads. Unlike the above, this is a good thing, and a sign of Intel trendsetting in the desktop space.

 

[jefferz]

Intel's upcoming Alder Lake lineup schematics have been leaked:
https://wccftech.com/intel-12th-gen...-with-12-core-i5-with-6-core-i3-with-4-cores/

Just a rumor, and these usually have multiple inaccuracies, so I won't bother reprinting the table here, or discussing it in too much detail, but there are a few interesting things to note.

First, Intel appears to be going full Vishera with the PL2 states. Fortunately, unlike AMD's infamous Vishera processors, these aren't the stock clocks, you have to activate them, and I doubt anyone who knows how to do that will have bought an insufficient CPU cooler, motherboard, or PSU to run it. Still, 228W TDPs are still a bracing figure to take in. Definite throwback to AMD during more desperate times.

Second, notice that the i9-12900K is 16 cores, but only 24 threads; the 12700K is 12 cores, but only 20 threads. Unlike the above, this is a good thing, and a sign of Intel trendsetting in the desktop space.

The i5 line is interesting. To get the low power cores you need to get the unlocked version.

 

[PEB]

Framework laptops are taking off big time.