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Nvidia announces the $399 RTX 3060 Ti —and we’ve tested it
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At $399 this thing absolutely shits on the value of the RX 6800 at its $579 MSRP (when it becomes available and actually reaches this price).

*Note: the Memory Clock here is quoting Ampere's GDDR6 bandwidth. That's not what I'm used to seeing quoted under that label. More traditionally speaking, the Memory Clock is 1750 MHz for both (which translates to an effective transfer rate of 14 Gbps since it is GDDR6.
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The 3DMark gives a generally accurate idea of relative gaming power:

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TPU's gaming roundup showed an even smaller overall discrepancy @1440p of -20% for the 3060 Ti. Note that it's actually outperforming the RTX 2080 Super:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-founders-edition/
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Although in the rare case you can turn on DLSS 2.0, a list that is growing over time, the 3060 Ti suddenly stomps the RX 6800 out (even in Watch Dogs which was a title where the RX 6800 otherwise enjoyed an inordinately large advantage):
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I have no clue what the fuck AMD is doing. They got a little high on themselves. They must have had lingering beer goggles from their Zen 3 celebration, and mistook Huang Jensen rolling up in his NVIDIA-embossed leather jacket for an Intel executive prior to their RDNA 2.0 launch, because their GPUs are a bit of a joke at the prices they're asking. Memo to Lisa: you're still the far-trailing underdog in the GPU game.

I hear Samsung giving Nvidia a sweet deal to use their process node. Nvidia took a gamble running with Samsung "though they had previously had good luck with the 1050ti". I don't know what Samsung run rate is or failure percentage but I imagine they are working out the issues.

It's very possible that AMD paying a higher price from TMSC to secure parts while Apple is sucking the production time on 5nm M1 chips. This is why I complain so much about the lack of competitors in the Foundries space. IBM help launch TMSC with 10 nm process and now they are running big.

The US government has to push to create more foundries to pump out competitive processes because TMSC cannot grow fast enough to do it all. Intel been failing likely due to not wanting to spend 50 billion dollars going to 7nm.

We need more capacity to handle the demands because Nvidia keeps selling out everything they make it seems they could double production and still be making people pissed off as well as AMD.
 
I hear Samsung giving Nvidia a sweet deal to use their process node. Nvidia took a gamble running with Samsung "though they had previously had good luck with the 1050ti". I don't know what Samsung run rate is or failure percentage but I imagine they are working out the issues.

It's very possible that AMD paying a higher price from TMSC to secure parts while Apple is sucking the production time on 5nm M1 chips. This is why I complain so much about the lack of competitors in the Foundries space. IBM help launch TMSC with 10 nm process and now they are running big.

The US government has to push to create more foundries to pump out competitive processes because TMSC cannot grow fast enough to do it all. Intel been failing likely due to not wanting to spend 50 billion dollars going to 7nm.

We need more capacity to handle the demands because Nvidia keeps selling out everything they make it seems they could double production and still be making people pissed off as well as AMD.

they're both (nvidia, amd) insanely supply constrained. and the extent of nvidia's scarce supply is pretty nuts, given that they're not making 2000 series cards or consoles.

amd seems to be getting murdered by their console deals. seemingly the vast majority of their increased wafers are going straight to sony. amd could easily sell every laptop cpu/apu and every 5000 series cpu (and probably every 6000 series gpu while nvidia is out) but they just can't seem to get them made.

great products. horrendous negotiations.
 
Build almost complete (Waiting on a 3080 still - I am early in the EVGA queue and looks like I should have it in about 2 weeks.) I actually wasn't planning on building a new system but got bored waiting on a 3080 and parts just started showing up.

Lian Li O11 Dynamic White
AMD 5800x
MSI Tomahawk x570
32GB 3600 CL16 Ballistix RGB
DEEPCOOL Castle 360EX AIO
Lian Li SL120 RGB Fans
Seasonic Focus GX-750
SK hynix Gold P31 1TB PCIe NVMe Gen3 M.2

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Build almost complete (Waiting on a 3080 still - I am early in the EVGA queue and looks like I should have it in about 2 weeks.) I actually wasn't planning on building a new system but got bored waiting on a 3080 and parts just started showing up.

Lian Li O11 Dynamic White
AMD 5800x
MSI Tomahawk x570
32GB 3600 CL16 Ballistix RGB
DEEPCOOL Castle 360EX AIO
Lian Li SL120 RGB Fans
Seasonic Focus GX-750
SK hynix Gold P31 1TB PCIe NVMe Gen3 M.2

2KGcULB.jpg
Very nice. I'll take one in black please.
 
Build almost complete (Waiting on a 3080 still - I am early in the EVGA queue and looks like I should have it in about 2 weeks.) I actually wasn't planning on building a new system but got bored waiting on a 3080 and parts just started showing up.

Lian Li O11 Dynamic White
AMD 5800x
MSI Tomahawk x570
32GB 3600 CL16 Ballistix RGB
DEEPCOOL Castle 360EX AIO
Lian Li SL120 RGB Fans
Seasonic Focus GX-750
SK hynix Gold P31 1TB PCIe NVMe Gen3 M.2

2KGcULB.jpg
Reminds me of the famous Les Paul Custom Alpine White.

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Build almost complete (Waiting on a 3080 still - I am early in the EVGA queue and looks like I should have it in about 2 weeks.) I actually wasn't planning on building a new system but got bored waiting on a 3080 and parts just started showing up.

Lian Li O11 Dynamic White
AMD 5800x
MSI Tomahawk x570
32GB 3600 CL16 Ballistix RGB
DEEPCOOL Castle 360EX AIO
Lian Li SL120 RGB Fans
Seasonic Focus GX-750
SK hynix Gold P31 1TB PCIe NVMe Gen3 M.2

2KGcULB.jpg

Do those cooling shields on the M2 actually do anything? I have one that doesn't fit so I just left it out.
 
Do those cooling shields on the M2 actually do anything? I have one that doesn't fit so I just left it out.
No, and in fact, some "heat shields" have been shown to drastically worsen thermal ceilings for some m.2 SSDs in testing.
 
No, and in fact, some "heat shields" have been shown to drastically worsen thermal ceilings for some m.2 SSDs in testing.
I bought my Kingston KC1000 NVME back in 2017 and noticed it would get hot, up to the mid to high 70s. I bought a heatsink from Deepcool and the temps dropped around 10-15C on average. Haven't seen it go above 62C since

It has chips on both sides of the SSD (I don't know if that's a factor or not), so I have a strip of cooling pad on each side.
 
I bought my Kingston KC1000 NVME back in 2017 and noticed it would get hot, up to the mid to high 70s. I bought a heatsink from Deepcool and the temps dropped around 10-15C on average. Haven't seen it go above 62C since

It has chips on both sides of the SSD (I don't know if that's a factor or not), so I have a strip of cooling pad on each side.
Ive not paid much attention to m.2 thermals, but these are not shields as @empsim suggests. they have thermal pads on them and are suppose to be heatsinks. I can try to run some test myself to see how they perform.
 
Ive not paid much attention to m.2 thermals, but these are not shields as @empsim suggests. they have thermal pads on them and are suppose to be heatsinks. I can try to run some test myself to see how they perform.
I always thought they serve the same purpose, both come with thermal pads.

And I just realised mine is from AlphaCool and looks like this:

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What's the Radeon VII? Is it a legit alternative to the 6800 or Nvidia's 3000 series? It's the only other card with 16GB besides the 6800 but has a different RAM type.

It's a last gen card. It was meant to compete with the 2080 but lacked features like Ray Tracing and DLSS.
 
Ive not paid much attention to m.2 thermals, but these are not shields as @empsim suggests. they have thermal pads on them and are suppose to be heatsinks. I can try to run some test myself to see how they perform.
I always thought they serve the same purpose, both come with thermal pads.

And I just realised mine is from AlphaCool and looks like this:

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They are, Slob: one and the same. They call them heat shields, heat spreaders, and many other names. The m.2's are better exposed to open air with airflow running over them. These things just trap heat, and don't dissipate heat for shit.
 
They are, Slob: one and the same. They call them heat shields, heat spreaders, and many other names. The m.2's are better exposed to open air with airflow running over them. These things just trap heat, and don't dissipate heat for shit.
I have my boot drive on a PCIE expansion card for this reason, back when I had my Ryzen 1700 I inserted it in one of the M.2 slots but it got too hot, so that's why I bought the expansion card. But didn't see much improvement until I put the Alphacool heatsink on there.

My other M.2 the Kingston AC1000 gets lower temperatures though and I have it in the M.2 slot right under the GPU.
 
What's your GPU?
It’s an MSI. I don’t know for sure as it’s been years and can’t remember the parts list.

Going to look it up when the comp finally fully boots and I can get in to the system information.

I’m also going to use it for my Xbox. Move my Xbox off my TV as the only way to play games on my TV is sitting on my bed and I’m tired of using where I sleep for the same platform to play games.

I’m also going to try, in the next 2 months after getting that SSD replaced, get a new cooler system and GPU after upping my RAM.
 

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