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Definitely definitely. Don’t know if I want to go 5800x or just stay cheap

Unless you're on a strict budget, go with 8 cores minimum.
 
The reviews are in, these were some of the ones in my subscription feed



 
@Woldog tried to order the 5800x from PCCasegear, sold out within a minute lol
 
Damn, GG AMD!

From what I've seen so far, the 5800x looks to be the winner in the new stack for gaming.

It's a paper launch though, they're already sold out everywhere.
 
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So I did manage to get a preorder with bh earlier, which they’re showing out of stock now. Went ahead with the 5800x
 
From what I've seen so far, the 5800x looks to be the winner in the new stack for gaming.

Dont like how AMD structured this launch.

5600X is of course the best value. While the 5800X at $150 more is ideal because of its core count. Feel like the 5600X core count is a middle finger to consumers. For AMD didnt want 5800X under performing in sales like the 3800X did compared to the 3700X.
 
With all these hardware supply shortages, is this because of covid supply chain issues or does this happen every time a new generation of cpus and gpus launch?
 
With all these hardware supply shortages, is this because of covid supply chain issues or does this happen every time a new generation of cpus and gpus launch?

this is more of a wafer supply issue from samsung (nvidia) and tsmc (amd). the console cycle played a big factor, too. consoles ate more than expected, iirc. and sony then increased them.

nvidia should have had a ton of wafers from samsung, so the yields at 8nm might not be that great (their 7nm yields were reportedly awful)
 

Pertaining to the last major release structure. Consumer today will be paying for a 12 core CPU and only receiving 8. While the entry level cpu at this release is two cores less over prior. Then when we look at the benchmarks. Biggest jump in performance gain is from six to eight cores.
 
Prediction...
Haven't looked at them.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1614...en-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu
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The prices spark a brand shock because we've been accustomed to seeing AMD have to beg for so long, but that's no longer the case. Now they're the market leader, or at least a true peer. Wait to see full reviews, but I wouldn't write off AMD. Their Ryzen 3000 series temps are so much better than Intel's it's embarrassing. That's what is catching my eye here. TDP. The reason is that IPC will determine the winner of this race. AMD didn't exaggerate their IPC boasts last gen, and previous rumors reported starting many months ago ranged from 17%-20% IPC gains for this gen. 19% is on the money.

So the question is what these turbos mean, but that begs us to recall that the 3950X and 3900X couldn't truly deliver on their turbos-- not quite. Meanwhile, the 3800X couldn't meaningfully deliver the +100MHz over the 3700X across enough cores for it to really matter. So none of these ended up being any better than the 3700X in games which had little trouble hitting & sustaining its own turbos. The 3600 and 3700X had 65W TDP. It was the 3800X, 3900X, and 3950X that had 105W TDP. For this reason, I'm looking at the 5600X, and thinking 4.6GHz is the new practical ceiling they've obtained. That would be a +200MHz effective gain over Zen 2.

Remember that AMD seized the IPC advantage against Intel with Ryzen 3000 (vs. 9th Gen), and the 10th Gen Intels barely improved on their predecessors-- only by a few percent. The FPS link below is the most illuminating to IPC performance in games. The rest focus on synthetics. Almost all of workloads show an IPC advantage of 7%-10% for Ryzen 3000 (Zen 2) vs. Intel 9th Gen (Coffee Lake Refresh) in most benchmark suites. Yet, as we know, Intel flipped this with a 6%-10% real-world advantage in most game benchmark suites thanks to its frequency advantage.

I can only speculate, but if AMD isn't lying about that IPC gain, this means they may have soared to as much as a 25%-30% advantage, now. If that's the case, I don't think Intel's real 5.1GHz turbo (it doesn't actually hold 5.3GHz) will hold up against AMD's 4.6GHzish turbo. That's just too massive a raw advantage for AMD.

It may take some time to iron out drivers, AMD is notoriously bad with that, but just based on the superficial math of it, I think AMD is about to take the crown. The 5800X or 5900X will become the king of gaming CPUs.
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Reality...
Anandtech (Dr. Ian Cutress) > AMD Zen 3 Ryzen Deep Dive Review: 5950X, 5900X, 5800X and 5600X Tested
The Ryzen 9 5950X: 16 Cores at $799
The top processor is the Ryzen 9 5950X, with 16 cores and 32 threads, offering a base frequency of 3400 MHz and a turbo frequency of 4900 MHz – on our retail processor, we actually detected a single core frequency of 5050 MHz, indicating that this processor will turbo above 5.0 GHz with sufficient thermal headroom and cooling!
+19% IPC
The key metric offered by AMD was a +19% IPC uplift from Zen 2 to Zen 3, or rather a +19% uplift from Ryzen 5 3800XT to Ryzen 5 5800X when both CPUs are at 4.0 GHz and using DDR4-3600 memory.

In fact, using our industry benchmarks, for single threaded performance, we observed a +19% increase in CPU performance per clock. We have to offer kudos to AMD here, this is the second or third time they've quoted IPC figures which we've matched.
Best Gaming
For gaming, the number was given as a +5 to +50% uplift in 1920x1080 gaming at the high preset, comparing a Ryzen 9 5900X against the Ryzen 9 3900XT, depending on the benchmark.

In our tests at CPU limited settings, such as 720p or 480p minimum, we saw an average +44% frames-per-second performance uplift comparing the Ryzen 9 5950X to the Ryzen 9 3950X. Depending on the test, this ranged from +10% to +80% performance uplift, with key gains in Chernobylite, Borderlands 3, Gears Tactics, and F1 2019.

For our more mainstream gaming tests, run at 1920x1080 with all the quality settings on maximum, the performance gain averaged around +10%. This spanned the gamut from an equal score (World of Tanks, Strange Brigade, Red Dead Redemption), up to +36% (Civilization 6, Far Cry 5).

Perhaps the most important comparison is the AMD Ryzen 9 5950X against the Intel Core i9-10900K. In our CPU limited tests, we get a +21% average FPS win for the AMD at CPU-limited scenarios, ranging from +2% to +52%. But in our 1080p Maximum settings tests, the results were on average neck-and-neck, swaying from -4% to +6%. (That result doesn’t include the one anomaly in our tests, as Civilization 6 shows a +43% win for AMD.)
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There's really only one downside to today's news for gamers, and it's mostly a theoretical one.

From January 2010 up until the i9-9900K was released in October 2018, the best gaming CPU in existence never launched for more than $359 MSRP. Even for the past few years the 9700K and 10700K matched these, at $374, and could typically be overclocked to surpass them due to more favorable peak clock binning likelihood.

These figures convey-- especially once drivers are refined-- that the 5950X is the new king of gaming CPUs outright. While $799 is a steal for this overall processing power today, moving us forward, that's still a massive increase to the cost of the top performer. On the other hand, this is the first time this gaming CPU was also king among gaming CPUs in terms of raw processing power, and therefore editing capability.

Yes, the budget options are still there, but $299 is steep for a 6c/12t CPU today. $449 for an 8c/16t CPU only trades blows with the 10c/20t Intel for $488 (ironically switching the AMD/Intel paradigm which is what today should achieve for the pricing vs. more cores conundrum going forward). By $549 AMD is notching the win in every column, but that's still way too steep for the mainstream market.

I really, really, really, really would have loved if AMD had offered a pricing table that chopped $50 off each of the lower three CPUs, but I also understand why they didn't. The lion eats first.
 
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