Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[560ti]

Brother in law wants a computer to game on in his living room (4k 60hz). Was of course eyeing the new Ryzens but are microcenter tanked the prices of 2nd gen by a ton (2700 is almost half the price as the 3700X). Even the 2600x can hang with it on every 4k gaming benchmark i've seen and they sell it for only $140.

Was excited about the new Ryzens but I think it more exicted for the resulting price drops to be honest

 

[adam199]

So I just built an entirely new tower, and I'm looking to sell my old one with all the parts installed still. Anyone have recommendations on where to sell it? Is Ebay my best option? Should I break it down to individual components or leave it whole?

 

[Woldog]

So I just built an entirely new tower, and I'm looking to sell my old one with all the parts installed still. Anyone have recommendations on where to sell it? Is Ebay my best option? Should I break it down to individual components or leave it whole?

Facebook market place is pretty good as well. I've sold 3 things there this week and my ebay listings haven't sold at all.

 

[560ti]

So I just built an entirely new tower, and I'm looking to sell my old one with all the parts installed still. Anyone have recommendations on where to sell it? Is Ebay my best option? Should I break it down to individual components or leave it whole?

10 years ago ebay would of been fine but with the taxes and fees (along with people becoming more tech savy with cellphone apps) your just better off selling it locally on like offerup or facebook marketplace (especially if you live in a bigger city).

I sell a ton of electronics on facebook marketplace. Used computers are fairly easy to sell if priced right and you don't really get alot of scrubs or time wasters on something that's as "specific" as desktop tower

 

[adam199]

Facebook market place is pretty good as well. I've sold 3 things there this week and my ebay listings haven't sold at all.

10 years ago ebay would of been fine but with the taxes and fees (along with people becoming more tech savy with cellphone apps) your just better off selling it locally on like offerup or facebook marketplace (especially if you live in a bigger city).

I sell a ton of electronics on facebook marketplace. Used computers are fairly easy to sell if priced right and you don't really get alot of scrubs or time wasters on something that's as "specific" as desktop tower

Awesome. Thanks!

 

[Woldog]

After much deliberation and discussion with @Madmick I've opted to pull the trigger on the AMD 3700x, the future possibilities far outweight the dead end that I would be in with the 9900k. The upgrade ability with an x570 board to the next Ryzen and the lower heat are pluses that outweighed the toaster that is the 9900k and the no upgrade ability with the mobo
@rob mafia gets the win. And AMD is better as a company for having me onboard.

 

[rob mafia]

After much deliberation and discussion with @Madmick I've opted to pull the trigger on the AMD 3700x, the future possibilities far outweight the dead end that I would be in with the 9900k. The upgrade ability with an x570 board to the next Ryzen and the lower heat are pluses that outweighed the toaster that is the 9900k and the no upgrade ability with the mobo
@rob mafia gets the win. And AMD is better as a company for having me onboard.

lolz.

now i feel bad about withholding a lot of info re: bios/voltage/etc. once it became clear that this was a blizzard 2.0 thread and i was about to be censored/the argument was going to devolve into walls of text in an increasingly irrelevant spiral with goalposts shifting, i didn't think it was worth posting.

i'll send/post some info later that should be helpful.

the 3800x still looks most interesting to me, but it's also the oddball and has the least production/benchmarks/etc.

 

[Madmick]

lolz.

now i feel bad about withholding a lot of info re: bios/voltage/etc. once it became clear that this was a blizzard 2.0 thread and i was about to be censored/the argument was going to devolve into walls of text in an increasingly irrelevant spiral with goalposts shifting, i didn't think it was worth posting.

i'll send/post some info later that should be helpful.

the 3800x still looks most interesting to me, but it's also the oddball and has the least production/benchmarks/etc.

<Oku02>

1. I'm the one who advised him to go with the 3700X.
2. Both of your posts in your squabble were deleted that were steering too far off-topic, and didn't concern the hardware.
3. You were wrong about Ryzen usurping the pure gaming performance throne from Intel. The 9900K/9900KF still lay claim to this with the 9700K perhaps most attractive to aggressive overclockers due to binning figures I cited above.
4. ROFL at you thinking he cares about any "helpful" "info" you would send him. You don't even comprehend the information you parrot and cite. Do you think you deceived anyone when you tried to play off that you couldn't even cite what the single core frequency deficit was due to the lack of the AGESA patch in gaming workloads? Of course you didn't. You still couldn't provide that answer right now.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Somehow the slave laborers at the Amazon warehouse in Pennsylvania got me the 3700X in a day.

 

[rob mafia]

<Oku02>

1. I'm the one who advised him to go with the 3700X.
2. Both of your posts in your squabble were deleted that were steering too far off-topic, and didn't concern the hardware.
3. You were wrong about Ryzen usurping the pure gaming performance throne from Intel. The 9900K/9900KF still lay claim to this with the 9700K perhaps most attractive to aggressive overclockers due to binning figures I cited above.
4. ROFL at you thinking he cares about any "helpful" "info" you would send him. You don't even comprehend the information you parrot and cite. Do you think you deceived anyone when you tried to play off that you couldn't even cite what the single core frequency deficit was due to the lack of the AGESA patch in gaming workloads? Of course you didn't. You still couldn't provide that answer right now.

lolz! and you swoop in and immediately prove my point. i didn't even realize you were ALREADY censoring this.

you still think that the new ryzen series will overclock similarly to the previous ones (re: 3700x)*. wow. and you accuse me of not comprehending this?

and you predictably changed my (2 different, but whatever) arguments about "real-world" and "gaming" into... single-core. btw, pure gaming (ie: no other programs running, no mitigations for MDS/zombie) is still kind of ambiguous. 9900k wins some (and seemingly more, but not quite most), 3600x wins some, 3800x wins some, etc. "real-world" performance is not in intel's favor. general gaming is mixed.

thanks for nailing down my point, though. it's funny that you'd even make a response as if you were denying it/refuting, though.

* edit: i looked at the last page. if you knew they didn't oc similarly, i don't know why you recommended the 3700x. by woldog's criteria, the 3800x appears to be better. if it was to save money or price to performance, the 3600...

 

[Woldog]

lolz! and you swoop in and immediately prove my point. i didn't even realize you were ALREADY censoring this.

you still think that the new ryzen series will overclock similarly to the previous ones (re: 3700x)*. wow. and you accuse me of not comprehending this?

and you predictably changed my (2 different, but whatever) arguments about "real-world" and "gaming" into... single-core. btw, pure gaming (ie: no other programs running, no mitigations for MDS/zombie) is still kind of ambiguous. 9900k wins some (and seemingly more, but not quite most), 3600x wins some, 3800x wins some, etc. "real-world" performance is not in intel's favor. general gaming is mixed.

thanks for nailing down my point, though. it's funny that you'd even make a response as if you were denying it/refuting, though.

* edit: i looked at the last page. if you knew they didn't oc similarly, i don't know why you recommended the 3700x. by woldog's criteria, the 3800x appears to be better. if it was to save money or price to performance, the 3600...

The only reason I went with the 3700x is it was the only one in stock within pickup range. At the end of the day if I'm unhappy with it's performance I can just return it within 40 days and get my money back and go to any other one. In 40 days they'll likely have everything in stock.
On the same token, it should be enough to get me to the next generation of them that will (hopefully) fit my x570 board.
I agree the 3800x would be better, but looking at them all the differences at 1440p is so slight that it really doesn't matter which one I got. If the 3950x ends up being a real killa I'll literally trade this CPU down to my girlfriend and get that.

TLDR: 3700x was the only chip in stock within pickup range for me to do my build this weekend. Not unhappy with the purchase am keen to see it compared to my 7700k.

 

[rob mafia]

lolz. i think your gf is the real winner here. free upgrades.

 

[jefferz]

Somehow the slave laborers at the Amazon warehouse in Pennsylvania got me the 3700X in a day.

I'm still waiting on mine, should be here tomorrow though

 

[Madmick]

lolz! and you swoop in and immediately prove my point. i didn't even realize you were ALREADY censoring this.

Your persecution complex is bizarre, and always avails itself. I had nothing to do with your sidebar spat, and your posts alone that went off topic weren't cropped.

you still think that the new ryzen series will overclock similarly to the previous ones (re: 3700x)*. wow. and you accuse me of not comprehending this?

I have no idea where you're getting this, and I know for a fact you don't comprehend this stuff.

and you predictably changed my (2 different, but whatever) arguments about "real-world" and "gaming" into... single-core. btw, pure gaming (ie: no other programs running, no mitigations for MDS/zombie) is still kind of ambiguous. 9900k wins some (and seemingly more, but not quite most), 3600x wins some, 3800x wins some, etc. "real-world" performance is not in intel's favor. general gaming is mixed.

thanks for nailing down my point, though. it's funny that you'd even make a response as if you were denying it/refuting, though.

* edit: i looked at the last page. if you knew they didn't oc similarly, i don't know why you recommended the 3700x. by woldog's criteria, the 3800x appears to be better. if it was to save money or price to performance, the 3600...

Which you prove with comments like this. No, general gaming isn't a mixed bag. It is decisively still in Intel's favor for the short term-- especially for overclockers. You also once again dodged producing the single core deficit figures potentiated by AGESA because you clearly don't understand the material you attempt to cite, and why it's important to questions like this.

Of course you don't understand why he went with the 3700X, and why the decision to avoid the 9700K and 9900K is related to that. You aren't part of a deep 2-page PM conversation where he expressed his strategy with the gamut of his considerations & usage as part of a coherent strategy because he most likely doesn't care what you think. That's the point. Tech advice is about clarifying the options that lay before someone according to what he desires to do. The choice is never yours. One is simply there to help clarify the consequences of these choices.

The only reason I went with the 3700x is it was the only one in stock within pickup range. At the end of the day if I'm unhappy with it's performance I can just return it within 40 days and get my money back and go to any other one. In 40 days they'll likely have everything in stock.
On the same token, it should be enough to get me to the next generation of them that will (hopefully) fit my x570 board.
I agree the 3800x would be better, but looking at them all the differences at 1440p is so slight that it really doesn't matter which one I got. If the 3950x ends up being a real killa I'll literally trade this CPU down to my girlfriend and get that.

TLDR: 3700x was the only chip in stock within pickup range for me to do my build this weekend. Not unhappy with the purchase am keen to see it compared to my 7700k.

Alright, to get back on topic, further cementing its legacy as a value king among gamer motherboards the MSI B450 Tomahawk I mentioned on the previous page has already added BIOS support for the Ryzen 3000 CPUs. This motherboards also includes BIOS flashback. What a budget beast:
https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-TOMAHAWK#down-bios

 

[rob mafia]

No, general gaming isn't a mixed bag

...except that it is. some games had the best performance with the 9900k, some had better with various ryzen processors - and even that was kind of mixed between them. you keep blabbing about agesa, while pretending that its changes didn't have significant impacts. generally better (although, strangely a few benchmarks were worse). it was said to be a 3-9% impact.

additionally, there are currently very few gaming benchmarks for the 3800x (i can understand the burnout after the 3700x/3900x press samples and etc)

lolz @ the 'i don't understand why...' and then "exactly" gif. lolwut? he just said the 3800x would be better.

further lolz @ "persecution complex" - i stated why i dropped out of this. you affirmed it. blizzard 2.0

 

[Madmick]

...except that it is. some games had the best performance with the 9900k, some had better with various ryzen processors

Let's take turns. Link every 1080p (or lower) benchmark you can find where Ryzen won, and I'll link every benchmark where Coffee Lake refresh won. Then I'll explain further esoteric truths to you beyond your acquired knowledge that make it worse.

We're going to focus in order to teach you that you can't just make false claims in this realm of objective truths, and not expect to get punished for them.

 

[rob mafia]

Let's take turns. Link every 1080p (or lower) benchmark you can find where Ryzen won, and I'll link every benchmark where Coffee Lake refresh won. Then I'll explain further esoteric truths to you beyond your acquired knowledge that make it worse.

We're going to focus in order to teach you that you can't just make false claims in this realm of objective truths, and not expect to get punished for them.

says the one who claimed the 2700 sold more than the 2700x. who said that blizzard games are good because they sold x amount (and repeatedly linked forbes articles about $ in 2 different threads about game QUALITY). who just said something about a "persecution complex" after... doing exactly what i called and criticized.


...are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that various ryzen processors didn't have better benchmarks in some games? ffs, man.

btw:

9900k wins some (and seemingly more, but not quite most), 3600x wins some, 3800x wins some, etc. "real-world" performance is not in intel's favor. general gaming is mixed.

 

[Madmick]

says the one who claimed the 2700 sold more than the 2700x. who said that blizzard games are good because they sold x amount (and repeatedly linked forbes articles about $ in 2 different threads about game QUALITY). who just said something about a "persecution complex" after... doing exactly what i called and criticized.

...are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that various ryzen processors didn't have better benchmarks in some games? ffs, man.

btw:

Concession accepted.

Spoiler: Some parting thoughts

*Edit*
Beyond that concession, also beyond the fact you earlier revealed that you don't even know what hyperthreading means nor that it is a term specific to Intel, and beyond the fact you continue to dodge answering straightforward questions like the single core frequency deficit minus the AGESA patch, which you clearly expected to help Zen2 overcome Intel in gaming, because quite simply you don't know the answer, nor how to figure it out; to conclude this derail, I thought I'd come back to your trollish insistence on the 2700X outselling the 2700.

The 2700 has appeared higher on Amazon bestselling charts at times, historically, though not now, which are refreshed every 24 hours, and remains higher on Newegg. Nevertheless, it's correct the 2700X has sold more, but I didn't review that particular head-to-head before enlightening you to the greater reality of the market. The root of your logic demonstrates your more significant ignorance:

and i think you're confusing the 3700x with the 3800x. i suspect the 3800x will sell more, the 3700x is the low-power (65W) offering.

Again, the point I was emphasizing with my acquired knowledge was these historically sell better with AMD.

Ryzen sales winners:

R7-2700X > R7-2700
R5-2600 > R5-2600X

R7-1700 > R7-1700X > R7-1800X
R5-1600 > R5-1600X
R5-1400 = R5-1500X
R3-1200 > R5-1300X


The lower TDP CPU has been the bigger (or equal) seller in every single matchup except that one. Your assumption was rooted in the ignorance assuming the opposite. Which might make sense of why to date:

R7-3700X > R7-3800X
R5-3600 > R5-3600X

Indeed, you were wrong, again, and I was right, again. You're ignorant, and in WAY over your head in any discussion of computers with me. I suspect nearly the entirety of your knowledge in these matters derives from reading posts I have written.

I am your professor.

 

[rob mafia]

blizzard 2.0

 

[Woldog]

I have the 3700x installed on the Asus Strix ROG x570-e board, 32gb 3000mhz G.skill trident Z ram

Currently idle at 28 degrees
Highest mhz its reached is 4152mhz.