Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[Madmick]

I have the 3700x installed on the Asus Strix ROG x570-e board, 32gb 3000mhz G.skill trident Z ram

Currently idle at 28 degrees
Highest mhz its reached is 4152mhz.

 

[Madmick]

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.3925047&Description=5700

Ryzen 3600X & Radeon X5700 (Single-Blower Reference Design) for $559. That's $40 off the MSRPs of $249 + $349 (which was reduced from $399 after the Super GTX cards were announced by NVIDIA).

Sapphire is generally the most coveted of all manufacturers when it comes to AMD GPUs, and while I'm not a huge fan of UserBenchmark's performance/value calculations, the RX 5700 is currently #2 among all GPUs on their chart (behind the #1 5700 XT). For the less "advanced" Passmark value chart it is 5th among all GPUs costing more than $250 (behind the: $270 GTX 1660 Ti; $270 RX Vega 56; $335 RTX 2060; $440 RTX 2070).

I'll also remind everyone the i5-9600K comes with no stock cooler while the R5-3600X comes with the Wraith Spire.

Disappointing AMD isn't offering their Xbox Game Pass bonus or any free games with this combo (at least not that I'm seeing), but otherwise, this is a tremendous start to a gaming build on the new AMD chipset.

 

[KaNesDeath]

I'm still waiting on mine, should be here tomorrow though

Its comical how everything is getting delivered to me. CPU yesterday, flash drive on Monday, thermal paste on Tuesday and motherboard on Wednesday.

 

[My Spot]

some games had the best performance with the 9900k, some had better with various ryzen processors

Which ones?

 

[rob mafia]

Which ones?

are you serious? like i'm going to take the time to compile a gigantic list from all the benchmarks in an argument that's already censored and ALREADY madmick'd into a spiral of increasing goalpost shifts (and a lot of misreads, apparently. since he's quoting things and pretending i said the opposite, too. i'd like a citation re: hyperthreading, since every time i mentioned it was regarding intel's security exploits).

i've seen benchmarks where 9900k wins. i've seen some where the 3600x has the most frames. i've seen some where the 3700x has the most frames. and i've seen some where the 3900x had the best performance. i've seen a few with the 3800x that looked to be better than the rest, but weren't done with any direct comparisons.

anandtech's review had ryzen (3700x and 3900x) processors winning 2 of 6 games tested. it's also worth noting that they were using old firmware for the intel side which wasn't running security mitigations. and, of course, madmick's favorite hyperthreading, which apparently i know nothing about (huh?), was enabled, too. it's also notable that AMD saw worse performance in world of tanks after switching to bios firmware that should have been better. they also had better results with a 2700x in one game than the 3700x/3900x...

this setup saw the 3600/x570 combo...

i've seen very few comprehensive comparisons, even just between the ryzen processors.


edit: tl;dr - while the 3900x is killer for multitasking and etc, the 3800x and 3600x seem to be the best choices for gaming from the ryzen 3000 line.

 

[My Spot]

are you serious? like i'm going to take the time to compile a gigantic list from all the benchmarks in an argument that's already censored and ALREADY madmick'd into a spiral of increasing goalpost shifts (and a lot of misreads, apparently. since he's quoting things and pretending i said the opposite, too. i'd like a citation re: hyperthreading, since every time i mentioned it was regarding intel's security exploits).

i've seen benchmarks where 9900k wins. i've seen some where the 3600x has the most frames. i've seen some where the 3700x has the most frames. and i've seen some where the 3900x had the best performance. i've seen a few with the 3800x that looked to be better than the rest, but weren't done with any direct comparisons.

anandtech's review had ryzen (3700x and 3900x) processors winning 2 of 6 games tested. it's also worth noting that they were using old firmware for the intel side which wasn't running security mitigations. and, of course, madmick's favorite hyperthreading, which apparently i know nothing about (huh?), was enabled, too. it's also notable that AMD saw worse performance in world of tanks after switching to bios firmware that should have been better. they also had better results with a 2700x in one game than the 3700x/3900x...

this setup saw the 3600/x570 combo...

i've seen very few comprehensive comparisons, even just between the ryzen processors.

So which ones? It would've saved you time instead of typing this Rustlemania-headlining post out.

 

[Strychnine]

Prime day is next week. If I find any good CPU/hardware deals I'll post them up.

 

[rob mafia]

So which ones? It would've saved you time instead of typing this Rustlemania-headlining post out.

which WHAT? games? processors? i mean, it's obvious that you're trolling but you can't even make clear questions? why do you think i started with "are you serious?" in the last post?

btw, regardless - already answered.

 

[My Spot]

which WHAT? games? processors? i mean, it's obvious that you're trolling but you can't even make clear questions? why do you think i started with "are you serious?" in the last post?

btw, regardless - already answered.

You made the claim, brah.

 

[rob mafia]

You made the claim, brah.

and i already answered you, brah. troll smarter, not harder.

 

[My Spot]

and i already answered you, brah. troll smarter, not harder.

 

[Madmick]

Which ones?

are you serious? like i'm going to take the time to compile a gigantic list from all the benchmarks in an argument that's already censored and ALREADY madmick'd into a spiral of increasing goalpost shifts (and a lot of misreads, apparently. since he's quoting things and pretending i said the opposite, too. i'd like a citation re: hyperthreading, since every time i mentioned it was regarding intel's security exploits).

i've seen benchmarks where 9900k wins. i've seen some where the 3600x has the most frames. i've seen some where the 3700x has the most frames. and i've seen some where the 3900x had the best performance. i've seen a few with the 3800x that looked to be better than the rest, but weren't done with any direct comparisons.

anandtech's review had ryzen (3700x and 3900x) processors winning 2 of 6 games tested. it's also worth noting that they were using old firmware for the intel side which wasn't running security mitigations. and, of course, madmick's favorite hyperthreading, which apparently i know nothing about (huh?), was enabled, too. it's also notable that AMD saw worse performance in world of tanks after switching to bios firmware that should have been better. they also had better results with a 2700x in one game than the 3700x/3900x...

this setup saw the 3600/x570 combo...

i've seen very few comprehensive comparisons, even just between the ryzen processors.


edit: tl;dr - while the 3900x is killer for multitasking and etc, the 3800x and 3600x seem to be the best choices for gaming from the ryzen 3000 line.

So which ones? It would've saved you time instead of typing this Rustlemania-headlining post out.

which WHAT? games? processors? i mean, it's obvious that you're trolling but you can't even make clear questions? why do you think i started with "are you serious?" in the last post?

btw, regardless - already answered.

You made the claim, brah.

and i already answered you, brah. troll smarter, not harder.

Of course he's going to dodge that question. He can't face the truth. Dude flip-flops harder than John Kerry on a sandy beach contorting himself to conform to his predetermined bias:

i'm more interested in the actual overall performance/ranges of performance from the CPUs. ie: how they handle typical/realistic hard usage/OC vs set up with ideal conditions for benchmarks. high benchmarks might not mean a whole lot when you have to disable hyperthreading/etc.

@Madmick
as for real world, again - time will tell. but real-world performance also indicates intel CPUs are going to be hamstrung with the security patches and lack of hyperthreading.

Also, no Robby, Intel doesn't require one to disable hyperthreading to secure against Zombie.

As for which games tested Ryzen 3rd Gen wins vs. Intel? See below:


AMD, 3900X (Zen 2)

• Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 (@Stock)
  
• Civilization VI, Graphics (@Stock)
• F1 2018 (@Stock)
• Monster Hunter: World

AMD, 3700X (Zen 2)

• Rage 2 (@Stock)*
• Resident Evil 2 (@Stock)

*Only in DirectX; loses in Vulkan


Intel, 9900K (Coffee Lake Refresh)

• Anno 1800
• Apex Legends
  
• Ashes of the Singularity: Classic
• Ashes of the Singularity: Escalation
  
• Assassin's Creed: Odyssey
• Battlefield 1
  
• Battlefield V
• Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 (@OC)
  
• Cities Skylines
  
• Civilization VI, A.I.
  
• Civilization VI, Graphics (@OC)
• Codemasters Formula 1
• CS:GO***
  
• Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
• DiRT Rally 2.0
• DOOM
• Dota 2
• F1 2017
• F1 2018 (@OC)
  
• Far Cry 5
• Far Cry New Dawn
  
• Far Cry Primal
• Final Fantasy XV
• For Honor
• Fortnite
  
• Forza Horizon 4
• Generation Zero
• GTA V**
• Hellblade
• Hitman
• Hitman 2: Mumbai
• Just Cause 4
• Kingdom Come: Deliverance
  
• Metro: Exodus
• Overwatch
  
• Prey
• Project CARS 2
• PUBG**
  
• Quake Champions
  
• Rage 2 (@OC)
• Resident Evil 2 (@OC)
  
• Rise of the Tomb Raider
  
• Sekiro
• Shadow of the Tomb Raider
• Shadow of War
• Starcraft II [4v4]
• Strange Brigade**
• Star Wars: Battlefront II
• Team Fortress 2
• The Division
  
• The Division 2
• The Witcher 3
• Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands
  
• Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
  
• Total War: Three Kingdoms
• Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War
  
• Warhammer: Vermintide 2
• Watch Dogs 2
  
• Wolfenstein 2
  
• Wolfenstein 3D
• World of Tanks enCore
• World of Tanks [HD Client]
• World War Z

**There was one outlier reviewer-- not always the same-- who deviated with at least one of the Ryzen CPUs winning for these titles; probably due to a difference in RAM speed, driver version, or CPU/GPU API
***With my update a second reviewer recorded a Ryzen win for CS:GO, so I now classify this as a minority review.


Note that the wins recorded here are for either the 3900X or 3700X since both didn't beat the 9900K in anything, and that the only wins were at stock frequencies or via PBO Max. Allowing for overclocks, best score vs. best score, Intel won every single benchmark.

Let's be careful, now, not to misread or misrepresent him.
"General gaming is mixed".

Spoiler: Update

*Edit Update: July 17, 2019*
Techspot just added the largest suite of gaming benchmarks for the R9-3900X since I originally made this post. Added those results in.

Ryzen records its first win outright (i.e. at stock or OC) in Monster Hunter: World. This is also true for CS:GO, but this is a minority result.

None of its results adds a new outlier with a Ryzen processor(s) winning against the bulk of reviews for games. However, it is the second reviewer to notch a win for a Ryzen processor on CS:GO, and that includes overclocked results. I would now classify that as a minority result, not an outlier result.

On the other hand, F1 2019 saw the Intel winning. Ryzen's only win in that game came from a single review at stock frequencies, so that game is now evenly divided. I left it in the Ryzen column at stock for simplicity's sake, and out of pity.

 

[rob mafia]

lolwut? dodged? i mentioned anandtech's and linked a video for 3600 being neck and neck or outright beating the 9900k in tomb raider and ffxv.

and still moving from the goalposts from general gaming to pure (ie: real-world, with browser tabs/media player/etc running). oh, right. it's like i already said this. repeatedly:

btw, pure gaming (ie: no other programs running, no mitigations for MDS/zombie) is still kind of ambiguous. 9900k wins some (and seemingly more, but not quite most), 3600x wins some, 3800x wins some, etc. "real-world" performance is not in intel's favor. general gaming is mixed.

also, it's as if i already said:

while the 3900x is killer for multitasking and etc, the 3800x and 3600x seem to be the best choices for gaming from the ryzen 3000 line.

but you still pretend we're in ryzen 2000 series and the 3600x isn't any better than the 3600 and that the 3800x isn't worth mentioning over the 3700x. despite...

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

it's weird how one of us has been consistent here. it's funny how you proved my point - blizzard 2.0. it's as if this spiraled into further goalposts shifts... you know, just like i said:

once it became clear that this was a blizzard 2.0 thread and i was about to be censored/the argument was going to devolve into walls of text in an increasingly irrelevant spiral with goalposts shifting, i didn't think it was worth posting.

have another video not to watch.

 

[My Spot]

lolwut? dodged? i mentioned anandtech's and linked a video for 3600 being neck and neck or outright beating the 9900k in tomb raider and ffxv.

and still moving from the goalposts from general gaming to pure (ie: real-world, with browser tabs/media player/etc running). oh, right. it's like i already said this. repeatedly:



also, it's as if i already said:



but you still pretend we're in ryzen 2000 series and the 3600x isn't any better than the 3600 and that the 3800x isn't worth mentioning over the 3700x. despite...

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

it's weird how one of us has been consistent here. it's funny how you proved my point - blizzard 2.0. it's as if this spiraled into further goalposts shifts... you know, just like i said:

 

[rob mafia]

troll smarter, not harder.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Is it jut me, or are the HP Omens really over priced. The square ones that stand up on an angle. I see the price then specs and it doesn make sense. am i imissing somehing?

 

[Madmick]

Is it jut me, or are the HP Omens really over priced. The square ones that stand up on an angle. I see the price then specs and it doesn make sense. am i imissing somehing?

The Omens are all over the place. Some of them are among the most competitively priced prebuilds from the major manufacturers (i.e. not the new market leaders CyberpowerPC or iBuyPower). Some are absurdly overpriced. It always depends. It's unit to unit and merchant to merchant. I've noticed they often are one of the best value prebuild lines in Europe.

The Dell Inspiron series has been a more recent line that competes CPPC and IBP. Contrast that with their Alienware computers which command among the largest premiums on the market.

You'd have to link a specific model to get a more specific appraisal than that.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

The Omens are all over the place. Some of them are among the most competitively priced prebuilds from the major manufacturers (i.e. not the new market leaders CyberpowerPC or iBuyPower). Some are absurdly overpriced. It always depends. It's unit to unit and merchant to merchant. I've noticed they often are one of the best value prebuild lines in Europe.

The Dell Inspiron series has been a more recent line that competes CPPC and IBP. Contrast that with their Alienware computers which command among the largest premiums on the market.

You'd have to link a specific model to get a more specific appraisal than that.

This is what pushed me over the top and spurned me to make the post ($2,700 + shipping):

https://www.newegg.com/hp-omen-x-90...on=omen&cm_re=omen-_-9SIAD6H5YJ2797-_-Product

• Intel Core i7 7th Gen 7700K (4.20 GHz)

• 8 GB DDR4

• 2 TB HDD 256 GB SSD

• Windows 10 Home 64-Bit

• No Screen

• AMD Radeon RX 480 4 GB GDDR5

• Virtual Reality Ready

 

[NewbZor]

So I just built an entirely new tower, and I'm looking to sell my old one with all the parts installed still. Anyone have recommendations on where to sell it? Is Ebay my best option? Should I break it down to individual components or leave it whole?

What are you selling?

 

[Madmick]

This is what pushed me over the top and spurned me to make the post ($2,700 + shipping):

https://www.newegg.com/hp-omen-x-90...on=omen&cm_re=omen-_-9SIAD6H5YJ2797-_-Product

• Intel Core i7 7th Gen 7700K (4.20 GHz)
• 8 GB DDR4
• 2 TB HDD 256 GB SSD
• Windows 10 Home 64-Bit
• No Screen
• AMD Radeon RX 480 4 GB GDDR5
• Virtual Reality Ready

Oh, God, yeah, that's an abysmal value. That's one of the worst hardware bang-for-your-bucks you'll see on the internet.

That isn't Newegg. That's a third party merchant on Newegg's marketplace. Sometimes merchants do that with the price on Amazon so they don't have to rebuild a page for a product from scratch that they're selling while it's out of stock. They'll temporarily push it up to an ungodly amount until they get more in stock. But I don't think that's what is happening, here. I think this merchant is trying to exploit some sucker who doesn't know hardware with the fancy case.

That's about $549-$599 worth of hardware in a normal case these days. Being generous the case might add $100-$200 (largely subjective) value to that amount.