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Thermalright True Spirit 140mm Direct for $42 on Newegg.

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https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8...irit-140-direct-cpu-cooler-review/index6.html
 
Sorry, got distracted. Came to highlight some CAS16 3400MHz Patriot RAM I spied:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nJhj4D/patriot-viper-4-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3400-memory-pv416g340c6k
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These sticks just barely miss the "B-Die" classification, and yet they cost ~$2.25/GB less than the cheapest RAM (any brand) of that class right now. The barely faster B-Die class G. Skill RIpjaw or Team Force Night Hawk (CAS16 3466MHz) sticks are the closest in cost, and unless you live in a state without sales tax, you are going to pay about ~$35 more for 16GB of RAM.

So these are easily the best value RAM north of the CAS15 3000MHz or CAS16 3200MHz sticks right now that dominate the top value price point.

Cycle Times
  • CAS15/3000MHz = .00500
  • CAS16/3200MHz = .00500
  • CAS16/3400MHz = .00471
  • CAS16/3466MHz = .00461 [B-Die]
 
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WH?

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Avid Star Trek fans may be quick to point out that the PC doesn’t quite match the design of the Enterprise, but rest assured, Lenovo named the machine accordingly, and it matches the USS starship as close as possible while fitting in all the needed pieces. After all, where else would you fit in Nvidia’ next-generation GeForce RTX 2080graphics? That’s right; there is more than just a warp core onboard this ship.

The Lenovo Enterprise PC comes stocked with the aforementioned GeForce RTX 2080 GPU, an overclocked ninth-generation Intel CPU, 32GB of DDR4 memory, a 1 TB M.2 SSD, and a 2 TB HDD. The Enterprise is also set to receive transmissions with a custom high-performance LAN and Wi-Fi setup. It has been made clear that this PC isn’t just a showpiece; it is aimed at serious gamers with a bit of a Star Trek obsession.

The Star Trek dream PC was unveiled in China at Lenovo’s Beijing Tech World Conference and has been receiving attention for its unique design. Beyond the standard specifications we would expect to find on a desktop PC, Lenovo has also managed to fit in a few surprises including LED lighting and a mini projector. We aren’t sure if you will be taking this machine into the boardroom anytime soon, but if you choose to do so, know that you will be able to present a killer PowerPoint.

Trekkies looking to purchase the PC starship will find it starting for around $2,180, but it is only available in China. Lenovo has yet to comment whether or not the Titanium Enterprise will be traveling to any other countries. Until then, we can at least relish in the fact that Lenovo has boldly gone where no computer manufacturer has gone before.

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16GB of DDR4-3000MHz RAM for $74. Well damn. World shortage ended last summer or fall, IIRC, and with sales like this, and the current non-sale low stabilized around $90-$100, it looks like we really are finally in a RAM market with all-time lows for the current highest volume frequency standard in about 2 1/2 years. Steve notes that he personally purchased 16GB of DDR4-2400 RAM for $82 from Newegg in February, 2016. I suspect that was a sale.
RAM Price Report: DDR4 Same Price as Initial Launch (Jan 22, 2018)

5-Year Historical Price of System RAM (Aggregate) - 2x4GB DDR4-2133
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What do you guys think about the Acer Predator desktops ?
I mean I didn't about Acer producing heavy gaming desktops
But they have some pretty cool setups in a tower like 1080ti's
 
Joe_Armstrong said:
What do you guys think about the Acer Predator desktops ?
I mean I didn't about Acer producing heavy gaming desktops
But they have some pretty cool setups in a tower like 1080ti's
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I've never seen any review that would suggest they are especially well engineered warranting a premium like, for example, the Corsair One mini gaming PC series, and they don't score terribly well with customers on websites like Amazon, either. If they offer the best bang-for-your-buck where you are I suppose they're worth considering, if you don't want to build, but I wouldn't rank them above the other economical builders. It looks like "Megaport" is the major presence over there in Europe (comparable to CyberpowerPC or iBuyPower for us).

Reddit reference:


IIRC, you told me last time we discussed this that "Media Market" is the major electronics retailer there.
https://www.mediamarkt.nl/nl/category/_game-pc-s-642508.html

Their prices are awful, and they barely have anything high-end. I see the Acer Predator Orions. On the individual product pages the spec sheet pages they say these carry RTX 2080 GPUs, but I'm a bit confused because the filter says "Max-Q", and that indicates a low-heat laptop GPU variant of the card. This makes no sense in these Mid-Tower desktop cases.
https://www.mediamarkt.nl/nl/category/_game-pc-s-642508.html?searchParams=/Search.ff?filterTabbedCategory=onlineshop&filterCategoriesROOT=Computer%C2%A7MediaNLnlc482710&filterCategoriesROOT%2FComputer%C2%A7MediaNLnlc482710=Desktops%C2%A7MediaNLnlc642512&filterCategoriesROOT%2FComputer%C2%A7MediaNLnlc482710%2FDesktops%C2%A7MediaNLnlc642512=Game-pc%27s%C2%A7MediaNLnlc642508&filteravailability=1&filterVideokaart=GeForce+RTX+2080+Max-Q&channel=mmnlnl&followSearch=9902&disableTabbedCategory=true&navigation=true&sort=&view=PRODUCTLIST&page=

I would be inclined to assume they are the desktop RTX 2080, but I went over to Acer's manufacturer page, and weirdly, none of the Acer Orion 5000 models carries an RTX GPU:
https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-models/desktops/predatororion5000

The is important to determine because the Max-Q RTX 2080 is ~50% inferior to the desktop RTX 2080:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/GeFor...orce-RTX-2080-Desktop_9621_9286.247598.0.html


Fuck that. Even if those are desktop RTX 2080s their prices are still godawful. That Reddit says there is free shipping to NL from Germany or France. I'm seeing the same two Megaport models in both countries. These are far superior deals:

Germany
https://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/computers/427954031/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_computers_1_1_last

France
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/bestsellers/computers/13829939031/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_computers_1_1_last
 
Madmick said:
I've never seen any review that would suggest they are especially well engineered warranting a premium like, for example, the Corsair One mini gaming PC series, and they don't score terribly well with customers on websites like Amazon, either. If they offer the best bang-for-your-buck where you are I suppose they're worth considering, if you don't want to build, but I wouldn't rank them above the other economical builders. It looks like "Megaport" is the major presence over there in Europe (comparable to CyberpowerPC or iBuyPower for us).

Reddit reference:


IIRC, you told me last time we discussed this that "Media Market" is the major electronics retailer there.
https://www.mediamarkt.nl/nl/category/_game-pc-s-642508.html

Their prices are awful, and they barely have anything high-end. I see the Acer Predator Orions. On the individual product pages the spec sheet pages they say these carry RTX 2080 GPUs, but I'm a bit confused because the filter says "Max-Q", and that indicates a low-heat laptop GPU variant of the card. This makes no sense in these Mid-Tower desktop cases.
https://www.mediamarkt.nl/nl/category/_game-pc-s-642508.html?searchParams=/Search.ff?filterTabbedCategory=onlineshop&filterCategoriesROOT=Computer%C2%A7MediaNLnlc482710&filterCategoriesROOT%2FComputer%C2%A7MediaNLnlc482710=Desktops%C2%A7MediaNLnlc642512&filterCategoriesROOT%2FComputer%C2%A7MediaNLnlc482710%2FDesktops%C2%A7MediaNLnlc642512=Game-pc%27s%C2%A7MediaNLnlc642508&filteravailability=1&filterVideokaart=GeForce+RTX+2080+Max-Q&channel=mmnlnl&followSearch=9902&disableTabbedCategory=true&navigation=true&sort=&view=PRODUCTLIST&page=

I would be inclined to assume they are the desktop RTX 2080, but I went over to Acer's manufacturer page, and weirdly, none of the Acer Orion 5000 models carries an RTX GPU:
https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-models/desktops/predatororion5000

The is important to determine because the Max-Q RTX 2080 is ~50% inferior to the desktop RTX 2080:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/GeFor...orce-RTX-2080-Desktop_9621_9286.247598.0.html


Fuck that. Even if those are desktop RTX 2080s their prices are still godawful. That Reddit says there is free shipping to NL from Germany or France. I'm seeing the same two Megaport models in both countries. These are far superior deals:

Germany
https://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/computers/427954031/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_computers_1_1_last

France
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/bestsellers/computers/13829939031/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_computers_1_1_last
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I saw a Acer Predator i7 7700K, 16 gb and a 1080ti.
Also comes with a max 4 TB expainsion slot.

That is enough for me
 
Joe_Armstrong said:
I saw a Acer Predator i7 7700K, 16 gb and a 1080ti.
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Is this used, and what was the price? Don't underestimate the value of the potential advantage in longevity the i7-8700 or the i7-9700K enjoy with the additional two cores-- especially the 9700K.

9700K is 20% superior as quad core, and 50% superior overall.
8700 is 6% superior as quad core, but 42% superior overall.
Also comes with a max 4 TB expainsion slot.

That is enough for me
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I presume you mean a drive bay. Usually desktops this size carry more than one "expansion slot" (these can be of various form factors: 3.5", 2.5", 5.25", etc). If there is a 3.5" drive bay it will be able to hold far more than 4TB. There are 14TB drives out there.
 
Madmick said:
Is this used, and what was the price? Don't underestimate the value of the potential advantage in longevity the i7-8700 or the i7-9700K enjoy with the additional two cores-- especially the 9700K.

9700K is 20% superior as quad core, and 50% superior overall.
8700 is 6% superior as quad core, but 42% superior overall.

I presume you mean a drive bay. Usually desktops this size carry more than one "expansion slot" (these can be of various form factors: 3.5", 2.5", 5.25", etc). If there is a 3.5" drive bay it will be able to hold far more than 4TB. There are 14TB drives out there.
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It's new and cost my cousin 1900 Eur a year ago
 
Joe_Armstrong said:
It's new and cost my cousin 1900 Eur a year ago
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I take it you mean it was new a year ago when he bought it, and is now used, unless you mean to say that it has been sitting on a shelf unopened in its box during that time. That definitely isn't old. Sounds like it would be in great condition. If he's not giving it to you I'd use the above to negotiate a fair price from your end.

Keep in mind that while the GTX 1080 Ti is better than the RTX 2070 in traditional gaming the RTX 2070 technically has more overall horsepower, if the tensor cores are active, and will yield much better results with Ray-Tracing; which should gain greater prominence in game development. But the GTX 1080 Ti is definitely the superior GPU. You didn't mention the other specs. I'm thinking somewhere in the 1000-1200 Euro range from you would be fair. I may be wrong. I have no idea what price that could command on your used market. I only know the American resale market.
 


The difference between what has happened with CPUs and GPUs is surreal. This is less than an i3-7300 cost two years ago today:
 
So Google developed a gaming console for cloud gaming with AMD. The console includes Google patented technology that they embedded with the AMD hardware.

The specs are impressive 16 gigs of ram HBM2 video memory 10.7 teraflops of performance 2.7 ghz speed. The console is called Stadia.



What does Google’s 10.7 teraflops mean in practice, though? Google says that at launch, you’ll be able to play games at 4K resolution, 60 frames per second with both HDR and surround sound, while simultaneously sharing a 4K, 60 fps stream of your game live to your YouTube followers. And Google says it’ll upgrade that to 8K and 120 fps gameplay in the future, though it’s not clear how far off a future we’re talking about.


https://www.theverge.com/platform/a...oogle-stadia-specs-amd-teraflops-cloud-gaming
 
PEB said:
So Google developed a gaming console for cloud gaming with AMD. The console includes Google patented technology that they embedded with the AMD hardware.

The specs are impressive 16 gigs of ram HBM2 video memory 10.7 teraflops of performance 2.7 ghz speed. The console is called Stadia.



What does Google’s 10.7 teraflops mean in practice, though? Google says that at launch, you’ll be able to play games at 4K resolution, 60 frames per second with both HDR and surround sound, while simultaneously sharing a 4K, 60 fps stream of your game live to your YouTube followers. And Google says it’ll upgrade that to 8K and 120 fps gameplay in the future, though it’s not clear how far off a future we’re talking about.


https://www.theverge.com/platform/a...oogle-stadia-specs-amd-teraflops-cloud-gaming
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Unless google screwed up, I wouldn’t be so sure on it being an AMD cpu.
If you expand that picture out, it says that the cpu has hyperthreading. That’s Intel lingo, AMD calls it SMT.
That slide also says 16gb total memory and the bandwidth speeds are on par with HBM2 standards. I’d lean more towards the system memory being half that 16gb.
 
jefferz said:
Unless google screwed up, I wouldn’t be so sure on it being an AMD cpu.
If you expand that picture out, it says that the cpu has hyperthreading. That’s Intel lingo, AMD calls it SMT.
That slide also says 16gb total memory and the bandwidth speeds are on par with HBM2 standards. I’d lean more towards the system memory being half that 16gb.
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The update on the linked news says it might not be an amd cpu, and google did not specify themselves on it.

But amd makes x86 processors for Xbox and the PS4 anyway already right?

Would make sense.
 
PEB said:
So Google developed a gaming console for cloud gaming with AMD. The console includes Google patented technology that they embedded with the AMD hardware.

The specs are impressive 16 gigs of ram HBM2 video memory 10.7 teraflops of performance 2.7 ghz speed. The console is called Stadia.



What does Google’s 10.7 teraflops mean in practice, though? Google says that at launch, you’ll be able to play games at 4K resolution, 60 frames per second with both HDR and surround sound, while simultaneously sharing a 4K, 60 fps stream of your game live to your YouTube followers. And Google says it’ll upgrade that to 8K and 120 fps gameplay in the future, though it’s not clear how far off a future we’re talking about.


https://www.theverge.com/platform/a...oogle-stadia-specs-amd-teraflops-cloud-gaming
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There is a discrete thread going. Thank you for posting this here, but this is a major enough announcement I figured it warranted its own thread, so I didn't merge:
Google Stadia
90 50 said:
The update on the linked news says it might not be an amd cpu, and google did not specify themselves on it.

But amd makes x86 processors for Xbox and the PS4 anyway already right?

Would make sense.
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Yep, and HBM2 is AMD technology, but he's right about multi-threading terminology, so I suppose it's possible they intend to have Intel server CPUs separately. Didn't see anything about that though. They clarified AMD as a partner in the announcement yesterday:
AMD stock spikes after Google confirms partnership for new video game streaming service
  • AMD will power Stadia's graphics rendering in the cloud, Google announced at the event.
  • The deal marks a big win for AMD in the gaming space, where it competes with Nvidia.
12% jump in stock yesterday.

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This lady is a baller.
 
method115 said:
Crazy deal.
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I’m seriously about to go buy one depending on which mobo’s are on the list put the r5 in my machine and put my r3 in a thrown down rig for an extra, give to my mom or sell.

This shiz is crazy.

I should buy every damn one they have and build a bunch of super cheap gaming rigs to sell.
 
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