Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[Blayt7hh]

LOL, a wall-o-crying, and yet you can't produce the parts. Can't tell us anything about a motherboard because "it doesn't have reviews" to guide you. Because you don't actually understand anything about hardware or component construction. You need your hand held, and are only useful if you can regurgitate someone with actual knowledge.

Yet again. Be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Avoid advice from people who advise against prebuilts because they have "shitty parts" when those people don't even possess the capability to produce the parts in the prebuilts they're disparaging.

You say this but of the two of us only one of us has backed anything up. You haven't answered any questions I asked directly. You haven't produced any of the detail you asked me for after I taught you how to find it.

You're just a blowhard, and not worth talking to on this subject anymore.

 

[Madmick]

You say this but of the two of us only one of us has backed anything up. You haven't answered any questions I asked directly. You haven't produced any of the detail you asked me for after I taught you how to find it.

You're just a blowhard, and not worth talking to on this subject anymore.

I've given you ample opportunity to specify the parts in the computer, and to explain why they're "shitty". You named the motherboard, PSU, case, and anything not listed on the box. What has been your response? "I found the motherboard" (you appear unable to specify what it is), "but there are no reviews to tell me if it is good or not."

So you said the parts were shitty, but now you admit you don't even possess the tools to express whether a part is good or not without someone else to tell you. LMFAO.

Hint: nobody depends on motherboard reviews to know their capabilities and quality. You know those from their specifications, including subcomponents, and a working knowledge of these specifications that most-- like yourself-- don't know or understand. This includes more esoteric specifications that aren't even openly listed on motherboard manufacturer pages, btw.

Isn't that the whole point though? Someone who buys a prebuild because they're still somehow intimidated of building in this day and age probably shouldn't be doing things like removing the heatsink from a GPU.

Correct. Someone buying a prebuild because they didn't want to fuss with building 100% aren't going to disassemble & reassemble a GPU. LOL.

The specific review I had in mind was a "hot snot" incident from five years ago when those absurdly strong in-house "Overpowered" prebuilt deals were trending at Wal-Mart, and I remember him droning on for several minutes in a review vid about the glue. He's done this more than once, but this one was the one that came to mind. He even led the review with that clip. His review was negative, fixating on trivial issues with assembly like that, silly stuff like messy cables, but as veterans on r/bps and elsewhere noted, there wasn't anything substantively wrong with the parts or the assembly. You can observe this in the review. Assembly is adequate. The parts are by the same manufacturers you'd find on the open component market. The temps were passable despite the less than optimal front panel. I remember thinking, "Who gives a shit about some glue on the motherboard? Kids buying that comp don't want to unplug an internal USB cable connection."

The serious issue, the real issue, was that GN was shipped the wrong unit: the $1400 DTW2 when they should have gotten the $2100 DTW3. It wasn't even boxed properly. This is one of the legitimate caveats with the prebuilt market, specifically the Chinese upstart brands that won't exist just several years from today. Customer service & support is nonexistent. A current example is STGAubron:
https://www.amazon.com/STGAubron-Desktop-i5-11400F-GeForce-Keyboard/dp/B0C1P14B5Q
And you'll note this shows up in Amazon star review averages. If you pour through customer reviews, you'll see customers reporting they didn't get what was listed on the box. Some got CPUs from many generations ago. Some got DDR3 RAM which conveys it wasn't the 11400F since that CPU doesn't work with DDR3 RAM. Beware prices that appear too good to be true.

Of course, this isn't an issue if you select appropriate prebuilds. As I said originally.

 

[My Spot]

I've given you ample opportunity to specify the parts in the computer, and to explain why they're "shitty". You named the motherboard, PSU, case, and anything not listed on the box. What has been your response? "I found the motherboard" (you appear unable to specify what it is), "but there are no reviews to tell me if it is good or not."

So you said the parts were shitty, but now you admit you don't even possess the tools to express whether a part is good or not without someone else to tell you. LMFAO.

Hint: nobody depends on motherboard reviews to know their capabilities and quality. You know those from their specifications, including subcomponents, and a working knowledge of these specifications that most-- like yourself-- don't know or understand. This includes more esoteric specifications that aren't even openly listed on motherboard manufacturer pages, btw.

Correct. Someone buying a prebuild because they didn't want to fuss with building 100% aren't going to disassemble & reassemble a GPU. LOL.

The specific review I had in mind was a "hot snot" incident from five years ago when those absurdly strong in-house "Overpowered" prebuilt deals were trending at Wal-Mart, and I remember him droning on for several minutes in a review vid about the glue. He's done this more than once, but this one was the one that came to mind. He even led the review with that clip. His review was negative, fixating on trivial issues with assembly like that, like messy cables, but as veterans on r/bps and elsewhere noted, there wasn't anything substantively wrong with the parts or the assembly. You can observe this in the review. Assembly is adequate. The parts are by the same manufacturers you'd find on the open component market. The temps were passable despite the less than optimal front panel. I remember thinking, "Who gives a shit about some glue on the motherboard? Kids buying that comp don't want to unplug an internal USB cable connection."

The serious issue, the real issue, was that GN was shipped the wrong unit: the $1400 DTW2 when they should have gotten the $2100 DTW3. It wasn't even boxed properly. This is one of the legitimate caveats with the prebuilt market, specifically the Chinese upstart brands that won't exist just several years from today. Customer service & support is nonexistent. A current example is STGAubron:
https://www.amazon.com/STGAubron-Desktop-i5-11400F-GeForce-Keyboard/dp/B0C1P14B5Q
And you'll note this shows up in Amazon star review averages. If you pour through customer reviews, you'll see customers reporting they didn't get what was listed on the box. Some got CPUs from many generations ago. Some got DDR3 RAM which conveys it wasn't the 11400F since that CPU doesn't work with DDR3 RAM. Beware prices that appear too good to be true.

Of course, this isn't an issue if you select appropriate prebuilds. As I said originally.

Yeah those Overpowered systems weren't bad (especially during Covid and the mining panic) as long as you replaced the case.
The Powerspec ones at Microcenter use respectable EVGA PSUs now that are at least C tier on LTT. They were using questionable Cooler Master ones in the past that were recommended only for iGPU builds.

 

[Madmick]

Yeah those Overpowered systems weren't bad (especially during Covid and the mining panic) as long as you replaced the case.

Yep. And so long as you got the unit you payed for. Which, at least with Wal-Mart brokering the deal at retail, buyers had the good fortune of being guaranteed should they petition for a return. Caveat emptor. It's all about being an educated consumer.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I've given you ample opportunity to specify the parts in the computer, and to explain why they're "shitty". You named the motherboard, PSU, case, and anything not listed on the box. What has been your response? "I found the motherboard" (you appear unable to specify what it is), "but there are no reviews to tell me if it is good or not."

So you said the parts were shitty, but now you admit you don't even possess the tools to express whether a part is good or not without someone else to tell you. LMFAO.

Hint: nobody depends on motherboard reviews to know their capabilities and quality. You know those from their specifications, including subcomponents, and a working knowledge of these specifications that most-- like yourself-- don't know or understand. This includes more esoteric specifications that aren't even openly listed on motherboard manufacturer pages, btw.

Correct. Someone buying a prebuild because they didn't want to fuss with building 100% aren't going to disassemble & reassemble a GPU. LOL.

The specific review I had in mind was a "hot snot" incident from five years ago when those absurdly strong in-house "Overpowered" prebuilt deals were trending at Wal-Mart, and I remember him droning on for several minutes in a review vid about the glue. He's done this more than once, but this one was the one that came to mind. He even led the review with that clip. His review was negative, fixating on trivial issues with assembly like that, like messy cables, but as veterans on r/bps and elsewhere noted, there wasn't anything substantively wrong with the parts or the assembly. You can observe this in the review. Assembly is adequate. The parts are by the same manufacturers you'd find on the open component market. The temps were passable despite the less than optimal front panel. I remember thinking, "Who gives a shit about some glue on the motherboard? Kids buying that comp don't want to unplug an internal USB cable connection."

The serious issue, the real issue, was that GN was shipped the wrong unit: the $1400 DTW2 when they should have gotten the $2100 DTW3. It wasn't even boxed properly. This is one of the legitimate caveats with the prebuilt market, specifically the Chinese upstart brands that won't exist just several years from today. Customer service & support is nonexistent. A current example is STGAubron:
https://www.amazon.com/STGAubron-Desktop-i5-11400F-GeForce-Keyboard/dp/B0C1P14B5Q
And you'll note this shows up in Amazon star review averages. If you pour through customer reviews, you'll see customers reporting they didn't get what was listed on the box. Some got CPUs from many generations ago. Some got DDR3 RAM which conveys it wasn't the 11400F since that CPU doesn't work with DDR3 RAM. Beware prices that appear too good to be true.

Of course, this isn't an issue if you select appropriate prebuilds. As I said originally.

Oh I found the board with the only spec listed as being form factor micro atx. Maybe if I found a user manual and downloaded it I could find more but frankly I’m not willing to do that when you haven’t engaged in any good faith arguments. Specs are great to know but without getting your hands in it it’s never the full story. Not surprised to see that you wouldn’t want anyone with first hand knowledge of the product.

I don’t know why you think insulting me as if I can’t read a specs sheet is a good idea. You know I can do that after being in here talking about this stuff for like 15 years on this forum. That’s pretty low yo go that route because your feelings got hurt when I disagreed with you.

I do feel like a sucker for even responding at this point because really you’re just trolling me now. Like I said in my last post, you’ve yet to produce a single, SINGLE thing to support your recommendation or stance. I mean ffs now you’re trying to disparage Gamers Nexus to win your argument

 

[Madmick]

Oh I found the board with the only spec listed as being form factor micro atx.

And this is why I mock you.

Maybe if I found a user manual and downloaded it I could find more but frankly I’m not willing to do that when you haven’t engaged in any good faith arguments.

Yet again: concession accepted.

 

[Blayt7hh]

And this is why I mock you.

Yet again: concession accepted.

Dude this is really pathetic. you have provided zero and just try to nit pick a few things out of context to insult people. Get over yourself and maybe actually build a computer just once. You don't get to mock anyone when you haven't provided a fucking thing to back your claims up.

BTW those teardowns Steve did is exactly why you can't rely on a specs sheet alone.

 

[Madmick]

Dude this is really pathetic. you have provided zero and just try to nit pick a few things out of context to insult people. Get over yourself and maybe actually build a computer just once. You don't get to mock anyone when you haven't provided a fucking thing to back your claims up.

BTW those teardowns Steve did is exactly why you can't rely on a specs sheet alone.

 

[avenue94]

Oh I found the board with the only spec listed as being form factor micro atx. Maybe if I found a user manual and downloaded it I could find more but frankly I’m not willing to do that when you haven’t engaged in any good faith arguments. Specs are great to know but without getting your hands in it it’s never the full story. Not surprised to see that you wouldn’t want anyone with first hand knowledge of the product.

They're proprietary (reference boards essentially, they aren't unusually sized or anything), but Omen and Pavilion take different motherboards and have quality differences. HP will likely fold Pavilion into Victus in the next few years, just like Lenovo did with ideapad gaming.

There are barely any Pavilions left on the US market anymore for HP, it was never meant to be a longstanding gaming line. They haven't updated it in quite a while.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Concession accepted.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

LOL, a wall-o-crying, and yet you can't produce the parts. Can't tell us anything about a motherboard because "it doesn't have reviews" to guide you. Because you don't actually understand anything about hardware or component construction. You need your hand held, and are only useful if you can regurgitate someone with actual knowledge.

Yet again. Be quiet. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Avoid advice from people who advise against prebuilts because they have "shitty parts" when those people don't even possess the capability to produce the parts in the prebuilts they're disparaging.

I understand. And pre-build is probably what I will ultimately buy. Then I can upgrade as needed from there.
That said, as far as the pre-builds offered up as business computers, I have some reservations given my dealings with one particular manufacturer. But I know for a fact that the stuff they offer retail is much, much better.

 

[My Spot]

Someone is selling this locally for $2k. Actually not a bad deal.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fD8T4s

 

[mixmastermo]

I have a working EVGA RTX 3080 if anyone is building and wants a good deal

 

[avenue94]

Someone is selling this locally for $2k. Actually not a bad deal.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fD8T4s

New or used?

 

[My Spot]

New or used?

Used.

 

[avenue94]

Used.

Interesting, wonder why they're selling soon. You're right that, not a bad price. Wonder if people will actually be bidding for it knowing prices are likely to come down more.

 

[My Spot]

Interesting, wonder why they're selling soon. You're right that, not a bad price. Wonder if people will actually be bidding for it knowing prices are likely to come down more.

It's on Craigslist, no bidding to worry about.
It's funny though because the ad has been up for almost three weeks and he has "PRICE ISN'T NEGOTIABLE" in all caps but I know it was originally listed for at least $200 more.

 

[Madmick]

It's on Craigslist, no bidding to worry about.
It's funny though because the ad has been up for almost three weeks and he has "PRICE ISN'T NEGOTIABLE" in all caps but I know it was originally listed for at least $200 more.

Just means he's trying to prevent the pestering dickerers who incessantly flood you with insulting lowballs over and over and over and over if you don't put that in the listing.

 

[Slobodan]

So I got a SKhynix P41 2TB $165.74 AUD, .08c per gigabyte

 

[jefferz]

So I got a SKhynix P41 2TB $165.74 AUD, .08c per gigabyte

SSD's are so fucking cheap these days, especially on the budget end.
I just picked up a Silicon Power A60 512gb for $18. 1TB versions are going for $35. It's only Gen 3, not the fastest, etc, but for a budget system or a secondary game drive, it's fine.