Television Game of Thrones S08E06 Discussion Thread: Burn them all! (the writing staff) | Our Watch has ended

Vergilius said:
We have no way of knowing if they did. It's all disgruntled people making conjecture. I'm happy that we got an actual ending after 8 grand seasons. This season has had stupid things, sure, but also tons of spectacular moments. It's been a wild ride, and I 100% support that they didn't go with the easy solution of leaving Jon on the throne.

Season 7 wasn't good, but season 8 largely delivered.
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Bran might have been fine if they would have made him interesting. WTF was the point of his character?
 
HHJ said:
Who was/will be more upset???

Jon after Dany's death (which she brought on herself,clearly)

or us when GRRM dies with the books unfinished
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Sucks when that happens , Happened to the wheel of time. Robert Jordan passed away and the series slowly finished with a new author. But in fairness to the new author, the books had such a vast array of characters in a massive world that I doubt even the original author could have tied it all together for a decent ending .

I still would recommend the series tho.

Have the same feeling about game of thrones. Too big too vast no matter the ending it won't live up to the creation of the world and characters.
 
Shael said:
So so we know if Jon actually joined the wildings or he was just on night's watch duty to relocate them?
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Nobody knows, because they didn't bother to show anything.


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snootylol said:
Cinematography.. music is great.. writing went to down hill big time after season 4

I think the real problem is episode 3.. if the NK hadn't been done dirty and finished inside one episode.. Season 8 would not get so much hate.. Extend the season 2 episodes.. flesh out the White walkers.. Danny going "mad"

Episode 3 killed the hype and put a dampner on GOT
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I think one big issue is that from season 4 onwards the show definitely shifted towards being much more cinematic, alot of the climatic scenes were visual ones rather than 2-3 people talking as was often the case earlier on. Doesn't mean they can't be very effective dramatically of course, its not just a case of adding more explosions for the sake of it.

I still think the show gave round about the right degree of focus to the characters telling the story it was telling, didn't think Dany's turn was really very rushed as in retrospect its there across all of season 7-8. I think the show had a choice between rushing its plot to service its characters or drawing out its characters to serve its plot and chose the former. Maybe they could have given us the odd episode more but what comes to mind for me is Jamie in season 5-6, his plots were weak partly because the character was treading water dramatically, that's why we got too much focus on weak characters like the Sand Snakes.

The big choice is I think to differ the history of the Night King/Walkers to the prequel series, we get just enough to explain him as a villain but theres no real twist besides revealing he was created by the children. Tied to that I think you see Bran ending up being a rather underused as theres not masses of drama around him by the point he reveals Jon's background. With the story they were telling were the NK just stays an implacable force of evil I don't think theres much more they could do, he's a horror monster and I think the old adage about showing the monster too much applies.
 
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I’m sad the show is over in this way,this epic show.
Dany deserved better,the great queen overcomes all that she did and just took a dagger to the heart.Feel bad for her since i think she is the lesser of evils in this GOT world.


So the slavers in Astapor will resume their trade,the Mereneese nobles will start their bullshit,there will be war all over and millions will die again fighting Daario,the unsullied and the Dothraki.Chaos.
How is this supposed to be the better alternative?

Way to go Jon.
 
Shael said:
So so we know if Jon actually joined the wildings or he was just on night's watch duty to relocate them?
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I think its strong inferred that he's joined them as a new King Beyond the Wall, the way it plays up the gate closing behind him and his march into the woods seems to imply a finality to it.
 
Not even worth discussing any details or what didn't make sense in this episode and season. Just completely rushed, ridiculous, nonsense writing.
 
To me, the last season has been all about convenience and that's why it's sucked so bad. I mean convience for the writers. They had the admittedly difficult mission of wrapping up and containing 7 seasons of build-up in only 6 episodes, and they had to do this without the foundation of the books to carry the script which made it poor in comparison and left the dialogue hollow. Without the help of the books the people behind the show showed themselves for what they are: by Hollywood standards middlingly talented writers who've been molded into simply driving plots forward. That's all they know how to do and that's all they did.

None of the crucial scenes (and there were so many, way too many) had any semblance of being important because the characters motivations were entirely hidden from us as viewers and everything seemed just inane. For example, if they wanted us to believe Daenerys was actually rampant and psychotic, then show her BEING that instead of just pressing a button to make her go berserk and then claiming: "Well, it actually makes sense for her to do that in the great scheme of things". It doesn't make any sense if you don't let the viewers in on what the the hell is going on, that's where they made the biggest mistake in my view. They just economised the whole show so much that actual story telling was swapped for montages.

Instead of basing the last season on what made the show decent to begin with – the credible, cynical and neverending politics which always lead to misery – they just laced the last season of the show with fateful music and slow zoom-ins; in essence we were not really told anything that could be a continuation of everything we had learned before, instead characters now quickly acted only in accordance with this concocted and simplistic ending.
 
So after 8 seasons of murder and war It's decided on a 10 minute vote between like 8 people.

They even manage to trivialize the history of voting.

They throw 2 blatant book references in. "Its about who has the best story" absolute cringe. "Here's a song of fire and ice" Jesus Christ the Night.

The whole thing was pointless and underwhelming. (Season 8 summed up).

"I'll find Drogon" oh I'm sure you will. You've really put your powers to good work thus far.

Let's melt the throne with a rage flame from the dragon.

Jon literally has to redeem himself in this dialogue. There's only 1 episode left "she is my queen" Jesus wept.

You guys killed my queen. The woman who save us. Our God. Sure you can vote amongst yourselves to decide the fate of the world and the fate of those who killed our queen.

What an absolutely shite episode. Shite season.
 
LuchaBear said:
Drogon is cool with Jon, hates the throne and fucks off?
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Man, that part was fucking awesome. I thought it was clearly showing that Drogon himself understood that it was her obsession with the throne was what had changed Dany and ultimately gotten her killed. Not to mention both of his siblings died in her efforts to get to that dumb seat. Her burned that shit down to make a point and then took her body away to wherever.

The dragon's were always made out to be more than just dumb beasts, but I think that scene alone showed that they're actually capable of being even way smarter than what was let on.
 
Lasse Stefanz said:
To me, the last season has been all about convenience and that's why it's sucked so bad. I mean convience for the writers. They had the admittedly difficult mission of wrapping up and containing 7 seasons of build-up in only 6 episodes, and they had to do this without the foundation of the books to carry the script which made it poor in comparison and left the dialogue hollow. Without the help of the books the people behind the show showed themselves for what they are: by Hollywood standards middlingly talented writers who've been molded into simply driving plots forward. That's all they know how to do and that's all they did.

None of the crucial scenes (and there were so many, way too many) had any semblance of being important because the characters motivations were entirely hidden from us as viewers and everything seemed just inane. For example, if they wanted us to believe Daenerys was actually rampant and psychotic, then show her BEING that instead of just pressing a button to make her go berserk and then claiming: "Well, it actually makes sense for her to do that in the great scheme of things". It doesn't make any sense if you don't let the viewers in on what the the hell is going on, that's where they made the biggest mistake in my view. They just economised the whole show so much that actual story telling was swapped for montages.

Instead of basing the last season on what made the show decent to begin with – the credible, cynical and neverending politics which always lead to misery – they just laced the last season of the show with fateful music and slow zoom-ins; in essence we were not really told anything that could be a continuation of everything we had learned before, instead characters now quickly acted only in accordance with this concocted and simplistic ending.
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Maybe reveal the characters motivations to the actors playing the characters would help.
 
Honestly I think Martin as some genius writer the show couldn't do without is a pretty questionable position. I mean yes he created an interesting detailed setting but in terms of dialog/prose? I really don't think he was ever very good and honestly I think the show improved on a lot of the characters greatly.

The problem was more I think that Martin had zero idea how to end his story and the show was left with the choice of either dragging out the plot endlessly to the point were the characters were all way best their best dramtically or bringing things together more quickly.
 
The fate of Cersei and Jaime was a bit underwhelming. We saw fuck all of Cersei in this last season, and Jaime just returned to her side for no apparent reason. That dude couldn't make his mind up, I guess.

Would've been cooler if Tyrion went down there and only found the hand but not the bodies. Maybe he saw a hidden tunnel and doesn't say anything.
 
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