Gagging for it (SCO Thread v. 29) Update Mueller Report Released

[bobgeese]

Green new deal is a good idea. Women with penises is something you pulled from your browser history.

The green new deal is a fantasy. When they’re ready to propose legislation based on reality, I’m all ears. Until then, they’re turning off the center.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

The green new deal is a fantasy. When they’re ready to propose legislation based on reality, I’m all ears. Until then, they’re turning off the center.

Lol @ calling yourself the center

 

[BarryDillon]

semaphore

 

[bobgeese]

Lol @ calling yourself the center

I wasn’t referencing myself fwiw.


I’m centrist on several subjects, but I’m pretty far right when it comes to dealing with criminals, welfare, the sham that is modern social science, etc.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

"bullshit semaphore" is quite evocative.
Especially so if the bullshit is a bit runny.

 

[Bloody Pulp]

This is how out of touch I am: I've only read about Beto O'Rourke in headlines and have never watched a video with him in it.

This is how cool I am: the "second coming of Jesus" air that's being built up around him is absurd and I wear a grey silk smoking jacket.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

Perhaps I was inspired by the signs

 

[Ophydian]

Again, Manafort is a small-scale tax evader. I think you and I agree on that.

We don't know that Manafort attempted to, as you put it, "work with Russian intelligence to influence" the 2016 election. We know that Mueller has alleged that Manafort shared some internal polling data with Kilimnik. To my knowledge, we also have no evidence that Kilimnik works for or as worked for the GRU. The most I've seen is that around 1990 Kilimnik might have worked for the Soviet army as a translator. Then the USSR collapsed in 1991 and he had to scramble around for work. That information comes from this Politico article, which relies on anonymous sourcing including CIA sources.



Of course, I agree with this.

You want to come off smart but you play stupid so often when it comes to Trump. Then you’re like, “What I can’t connect dots unless it’s Hillary.”

 

[LangfordBarrow]

You want to come off smart but you play stupid so often when it comes to Trump. Then you’re like, “What I can’t connect dots unless it’s Hillary.”

He's just providing a defense attorney point of view. If Trump ever stops by the WR and reads his posts he'll be sure to get a cabinet position.

 

[hillelslovak87]

He's just providing a defense attorney point of view. If Trump ever stops by the WR and reads his posts he'll be sure to get a cabinet position.

We'll know for sure when Trump asks
"But what about Rad Scotts?"

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

He's just providing a defense attorney point of view. If Trump ever stops by the WR and reads his posts he'll be sure to get a cabinet position.

Be ready if the Mueller Report ever becomes public and it makes Trump look shady.
They'll turn up the But Hillary to 11.

"Why don't you just make ten the loudest?"

"... these go to eleven..."

 

[waiguoren]

As far as your not finding the evidence sufficient for Kilimnik being connected to Russian intel:

You claimed Kilimnik was working for the GRU, now you've moved the goalposts to Kilimnik "being connected to Russian intel". I'm still waiting for the evidence that Kilimnik worked for the GRU.

Manafort failed to file reports for foreign bank accounts, filed false income tax returns, committed bank fraud, tampered with witnesses, and not only wouldn't help the special counsel, but actually tried to double cross the special counsel while feeding info back to Trump Et al's joint defense agreement think tank, and he only got 7.5 years. Fucking dumbass Wesley Snipes got 3 years for 3 misdemeanor charges of failing to file tax returns alone!

• We already addressed the tax fraud part: Manafort was small-scale. Wesley Snipes failed to pay $23.5 million in federal income tax. That's nearly four times what Manafort failed to pay.
• Yes, Manafort was convicted on two counts of bank fraud. It seems he inflated his income statements for purposes of securing a loan. He also pleaded guilty to obstructing justice by tampering with two witnesses.
• Each judge is different. Snipes made a mockery of the court with his '861 defense' and his claiming to be a 'non-resident alien' of the USA. He and his team used a variety of stall tactics in an apparent attempt to delay judgments. It's not surprising he was sentenced to three years in prison. He served two years and four months.
• Failing to file an FBAR is not a serious crime at all. Maybe someone aroud here is familiar with typical sentencing in those cases, but I'd bet very few people serve jail time for merely failing to file an FBAR. FATCA didn't even exist a decade ago. As an aside, FATCA is a gross infringement on our civil liberties.

 

[waiguoren]

You want to come off smart but you play stupid so often when it comes to Trump.

I'll wait for a comment with more substance in it.

Then you’re like, “What I can’t connect dots unless it’s Hillary.”

That's false. I've defended Clinton on this forum many times before.

 

[MikeMcMann]

@Quipling, not sure if you want to include that almost all of the major elements of the Steele Dossier are broadly being proved true one by one in your next 'summary' in the next thread. Many Trumpsters and Trump himself like to mock the Dossier being used as a key element that began this investigation but one by one most of the major elements are being proved true.

The latest to be upheld is Buzzfeed winning a lawsuit against XBT Holding and its founder, Aleksej Gubarev who sued Buzzfeed and tried to put them out of business over the allegation within the Steele Dossier that his firm worked with the Russian govt and particularly the GRU. Despite attempts to keep this trials transcript sealed the court has released it fully.

“Technical evidence suggests that Russian cyber espionage groups used XBT infrastructure to support malicious spear phishing campaigns against the Democratic Party leadership, which resulted in the theft of emails from a senior member of the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign,” said the report prepared by Anthony J. Ferrante, who beyond his NSC role had also served as chief of staff of the FBI’s cyber division."


Prior aspects of Dossier so far

• Contacts between Trump's team and Russians

The dossier contains allegations against several of Trump's campaign officials and associates of having secret contacts with Russians during the campaign. Steele's raw intelligence reports cited unnamed sources alleging these communications were part of a widespread effort to collude on the election and secure the White House for Trump.
When the memos spilled into public view, Trump and at least five other senior administration officials denied in emphatic and often sweeping terms that anyone involved in the campaign was in contact with Russians. But in the two years since those denials were issued, news reports and court filings revealed that at least 16 Trump associates had contacts with Russians during the campaign or transition...

• Russian meddling in the 2016 election

While Trump and his supporters have seized on the most salacious, uncorroborated claims to discredit the dossier as a "pile of garbage," much of Steele's memos focused on Russia's role interfering in the 2016 election. Steele's intelligence memos detail a pattern and preference for Trump that have since been confirmed by the US intelligence community and indictments against Russians brought by Mueller's investigation..
.

• Trump's real estate dealings in Russia

The dossier claimed that the Russians tried to influence Trump by offering him "sweetener" real estate deals, in hopes of drawing him closer to Moscow. ...
Throughout the campaign, Trump said he had "nothing to do with Russia." When the dossier was first published, there wasn't any indication that Trump's company was involved in Russia beyond the Miss Universe pageant that he hosted in Moscow in 2013. But it recently became public knowledge that Trump pursued a lucrative project in Moscow deep into the 2016 campaign, ...

• Potential Russian leverage on Trump

The most sensational claim in the dossier memos is that Trump was involved with prostitutes while he stayed at The Ritz-Carlton in Moscow during his trip there for the 2013 Miss Universe pageant — and that the Russians had this blackmail, or kompromat, on Trump.
Nothing has come to light to corroborate that allegation, and Trump has denied that it happened...

• Michael Cohen's alleged trip to Prague

There still isn't any public evidence to confirm the explosive claim from the dossier that Cohen secretly met Russian officials in Prague to coordinate Kremlin interference in the election and do damage control if the alleged collusion was exposed or if Clinton won....

• Carter Page's meetings with Russians

The dossier prominently features Carter Page, a foreign policy adviser to Trump's campaign. Declassified documents revealed that the FBI and Justice Department in 2016 used information from the dossier -- and other evidence that is still secret -- to convince federal judges to approve a foreign surveillance warrant on Page. The warrant, which included evidence that remains classified explaining what the surveillance had revealed, was renewed three times into 2017.
Page traveled to Russia in July 2016 for what he said was a personal trip. Steele wrote that Page met the president of Rosneft, a state-run oil company, and discussed a potential deal for Trump to lift US sanctions in exchange for future energy cooperation between the two counties...

 

[MikeMcMann]

He's just providing a defense attorney point of view. If Trump ever stops by the WR and reads his posts he'll be sure to get a cabinet position.

lol. Very apt.

So many guys on this forum think they are being smart, clever, whatever by thinking if they can play the defense lawyer game of denial demanding a threshold of proof that would stand up in court, and they do not get it, then they are winning arguments.

You see waiguoreen below challenging @Cake4Breakfast and acting as if in the minuscule information coming out of the various Mueller filings does not paint pretty clear ties between Kilimnik, Manafort and the GRU/Russian Gov't with regards to the collusion. I am sure he would reply 'unless I see all the filings and the classified doc's myself, this is not proof' as a way to retain deniability thinking that matters.

You claimed Kilimnik was working for the GRU, now you've moved the goalposts to Kilimnik "being connected to Russian intel". I'm still waiting for the evidence that Kilimnik worked for the GRU.
...

Sorry but we are not going to deny all the evidence or proclaim it as not true simply because Mueller has not filed his report yet and no one really cares about Trumptards who think they are mounting a great defense by asking for court filing standards of evidence NOW.

Mueller Finally Unmasked the Trump Campaign’s Secret Russian Operative

 

[bobgeese]

@Quipling, not sure if you want to include that almost all of the major elements of the Steele Dossier are broadly being proved true one by one in your next 'summary' in the next thread. Many Trumpsters and Trump himself like to mock the Dossier being used as a key element that began this investigation but one by one most of the major elements are being proved true.

The latest to be upheld is Buzzfeed winning a lawsuit against XBT Holding and its founder, Aleksej Gubarev who sued Buzzfeed and tried to put them out of business over the allegation within the Steele Dossier that his firm worked with the Russian govt and particularly the GRU. Despite attempts to keep this trials transcript sealed the court has released it fully.

“Technical evidence suggests that Russian cyber espionage groups used XBT infrastructure to support malicious spear phishing campaigns against the Democratic Party leadership, which resulted in the theft of emails from a senior member of the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign,” said the report prepared by Anthony J. Ferrante, who beyond his NSC role had also served as chief of staff of the FBI’s cyber division."


Prior aspects of Dossier so far

Hey Einstein, you might want to check today’s news about the Steele Dossier.


He literally used cnn anonymous viewer comments as sources in his dossier.

 

[GSP_37]

I saw an article last night about cocksucker Lindsey singlehandedly blocking some unanimous House thing requiring transparency re: Mueller Report because Lindsey wants to bring up some more Hillary nonsense. We need a one hour TV special to illustrate what a piece of shit Lindsey is.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

You claimed Kilimnik was working for the GRU, now you've moved the goalposts to Kilimnik "being connected to Russian intel". I'm still waiting for the evidence that Kilimnik worked for the GRU.

• We already addressed the tax fraud part: Manafort was small-scale. Wesley Snipes failed to pay $23.5 million in federal income tax. That's nearly four times what Manafort failed to pay.
• Yes, Manafort was convicted on two counts of bank fraud. It seems he inflated his income statements for purposes of securing a loan. He also pleaded guilty to obstructing justice by tampering with two witnesses.
• Each judge is different. Snipes made a mockery of the court with his '861 defense' and his claiming to be a 'non-resident alien' of the USA. He and his team used a variety of stall tactics in an apparent attempt to delay judgments. It's not surprising he was sentenced to three years in prison. He served two years and four months.
• Failing to file an FBAR is not a serious crime at all. Maybe someone aroud here is familiar with typical sentencing in those cases, but I'd bet very few people serve jail time for merely failing to file an FBAR. FATCA didn't even exist a decade ago. As an aside, FATCA is a gross infringement on our civil liberties.

1. I didn't move the goalposts, you are acting like "working for" means he has an office at corporate and the GRU pays for his prophylactic dental care.
2. Beyond trying to downplay the seriousness of the crimes, you are only focusing on what Manafort was convicted of, in a courtroom where the partisan judge was actively fucking with and trying to undermine the prosecution, and where one moron's MAGA fueled incredulity prevented Manafort from being convicted of all 18 counts charged, not to mention that Mueller didn't need to pursue other crimes after the convictions he won.
3. What, Manafort's attorneys didn't make a mockery of the court, inside and out, parroting Trump's twitter feed to try to get a pardon, not to mention Manafort's witness tampering and double-crossing and lying to the special counsel under the guise of cooperating?
4. Fuck Wesley Snipes, I still want Rogan to wheel kick him in the head.
5. Tell Jim Jordan and all of the other GOP house oversight partisan shills that Manafort's tax crimes are not a big deal the next time they start shilling for Trump instead of asking appropriate questions of someone like Cohen.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

I saw an article last night about cocksucker Lindsey singlehandedly blocking some unanimous House thing requiring transparency re: Mueller Report because Lindsey wants to bring up some more Hillary nonsense. We need a one hour TV special to illustrate what a piece of shit Lindsey is.

And Lindsey is letting his new best friend Trump excoriate his old dead best friend (they cried on TV together talking about their friendship) without sticking up for him, leaving it up to McCain's daughter. Prince of a guy that Lindsey Graham.

 

[hillelslovak87]

And Lindsey is letting his new best friend Trump excoriate his old dead best friend (they cried on TV together talking about their friendship) without sticking up for him, leaving it up to McCain's daughter. Prince of a guy that Lindsey Graham.

Lindsay Graham has been absurdly pathetic, like a servile dog, during this presidency. I hear him stand up to Trump on some perfunctory issue, and even people like Joe Scarborough suck Graham off, as if they don't know he'll tuck tail the moment the tees are set at Mar-A-Lago. He's always been a scumfuck, and always will.