Gagging for it (SCO Thread v. 29) Update Mueller Report Released

[bobgeese]

...if Trump himself hasn't done anything specifically wrong, it's hardly likely he didn't know about shenanigans.
What are the odds a control freak was ignorant of his cronies activities?

Honestly, do you think trump even knew what FARA was?


Shit like Stormy Daniels, of course he was in the loop for. Anything that involves complex geopolitical issues? I have my doubts.


I think anyone who kissed his ass could get away with practically anything while he was busy on the campaign trail.

 

[bobgeese]

the claim of a 'witch hunt' extends to a canvasing around Trump and into his ties and contacts for some dirt.

So what is the dirt then? What would the 'Hunters' be looking for?

That question is clear. Its actually the first stated goal in the Mueller Mandate. Here, I'll quote it again...

"any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals...associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump"

Again...

"any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals...associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump"

So Mueller, the 'Hunter of witches' is somehow failing in the core of his mandate when you read the list I supplied DESPITE the list of people 'associated with the campaign of Trump' and their clear list of "links" and "coordination" with Russian government and individuals".

You cannot make up the ridiculous of that claim in the face of the factual evidence. This special prosecutor investigation is and has been the most massive success int he history of the various special Investigation offices and its no where done in what it will expose directly and tangentially through the other investigations it has spurred.

Except the one that impeached Bill Clinton





PS, Trumps term is almost over ffs. Those investigations better hurry before people stop caring about Trump. If he wins re-election, do you really want to remove him and have president shock therapy?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

What I don't get is what Trump defenders expect from an investigation.
If investigators keep finding shady shit or even things that need to be looked at, what are they supposed to do, ignore it and their responsibilities to their office?

Do you guys really want the next (D) to quash investigations into his behavior and suppress a report about that behavior? Will you assume he has nothing to hide?

Or is it more likely you'll be demanding an unfettered inspection of what really seems to be malfeasance and general unsavory activities?
Will you describe those activities as a stain on the Office of the POTUS?

 

[bobgeese]

What I don't get is what Trump defenders expect from an investigation.
If investigators keep finding shady shit or even things that need to be looked at, what are they supposed to do, ignore it and their responsibilities to their office?

Do you guys really want the next (D) to squash investigations into his behavior and suppress a report about that behavior? Will you assume he has nothing to hide?

Or is it more likely you'll be demanding an unfettered inspection of what really seems to be malfeasance and general unsavory activities?
Will you describe those activities as a stain on the Office of the POTUS?

I’ll give you the partisan take. We just don’t give a fuck. Literally nothing has come out that will cost trump a single republican vote (who voted for him in 16).


The only thing that matters is winning.



PS, LOLOLOLOLOLLLLL at squashing investigations.

Cough cough.... Hillary cough cough cough cough cough cough....



PPS, I don’t think I’ve ever actually criticized the investigation. It’s par for the course in politics.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Except the one that impeached Bill Clinton





PS, Trumps term is almost over ffs. Those investigations better hurry before people stop caring about Trump. If he wins re-election, do you really want to remove him and have president shock therapy?

Go read the Starr mandate and see if you think he got anything comparable to what Mueller has related to the core of that mandate.

 

[MikeMcMann]

What I don't get is what Trump defenders expect from an investigation.
If investigators keep finding shady shit or even things that need to be looked at, what are they supposed to do, ignore it and their responsibilities to their office?

Do you guys really want the next (D) to squash investigations into his behavior and suppress a report about that behavior? Will you assume he has nothing to hide?

Or is it more likely you'll be demanding an unfettered inspection of what really seems to be malfeasance and general unsavory activities?
Will you describe those activities as a stain on the Office of the POTUS?

they screamed for all the Investigations into Bill Clinton. 4 years to get to Monica Lewinsky and no signs it would have let up otherwise. They STILL want more investigations into Hilary and Obama.

And yet they say the Trump investigations are unfair and have went on too long. it pure partisan BS. Trolling.

 

[bobgeese]

Go read the Starr mandate and see if you think he got anything comparable to what Mueller has related to the core of that mandate.

What part of Bill Clinton being impeached did you not get? Was it the rapist part?


History doesn’t remember the little fish. You either get the big fish or not. Anything less allows Trump (in this case, but it’s the same for all of politics) to muddy the water, push his narrative, etc.

 

[bobgeese]

they screamed for all the Investigations into Bill Clinton. 4 years to get to Monica Lewinsky and no signs it would have let up otherwise. They STILL want more investigations into Hilary and Obama.

And yet they say the Trump investigations are unfair and have went on too long. it pure partisan BS. Trolling.

Correct, the entire debacle is partisan. And as usual, it will be an election that determines whether trump stays on or fades away.


And yes, republicans will start investigating some bullshit if we lose. That’s the way this works.

 

[andnowweknow]

Correct, the entire debacle is partisan. And as usual, it will be an election that determines whether trump stays on or fades away.


And yes, republicans will start investigating some bullshit if we lose. That’s the way this works.

Trump Russia investigation and otherwise was started by and has been run by republicans. Weirdo.

 

[bobgeese]

Trump Russia investigation and otherwise was started by and has been run by republicans. Weirdo.

Too bad once Hillary took over the democrats started paying for Russian propaganda and using cnn user comments as sources.


I’m all for opposition research, but at least do it well. And for gods sake, don’t fucking lose after you’ve enlisted the help of various Obama administration officials.

Think of how terrible the democrat party is, that after all that, they still lost...

 

[Ophydian]

You keep posting this as if it somehow matters.


If the probe doesn’t take out trump, which it won’t, it will be the nail in the coffin for media credibility.


You think the “fake news” label was effective in 16?

Talk about moving goal posts. The OSC mandate is to look into the Trump campaign. It has and it’s found numerous bad actors.

 

[Ophydian]

Too bad once Hillary took over the democrats started paying for Russian propaganda and using cnn user comments as sources.


I’m all for opposition research, but at least do it well. And for gods sake, don’t fucking lose after you’ve enlisted the help of various Obama administration officials.

Think of how terrible the democrat party is, that after all that, they still lost...

This is like saying everyone thought Trump was going to win so Hillary camp began the Russia dossier as a means to overthrow Trump and install Hillary as Pres.

None of this comes to daylight if not for Trumps handling of Comey.

 

[andnowweknow]

Too bad once Hillary took over the democrats started paying for Russian propaganda and using cnn user comments as sources.


I’m all for opposition research, but at least do it well. And for gods sake, don’t fucking lose after you’ve enlisted the help of various Obama administration officials.

Think of how terrible the democrat party is, that after all that, they still lost...

well this didn't address anything you responded to.

 

[bobgeese]

This is like saying everyone thought Trump was going to win so Hillary camp began the Russia dossier as a means to overthrow Trump and install Hillary as Pres.

None of this comes to daylight if not for Trumps handling of Comey.

Nobody thought trump would win, which is exactly why democrats were so careless in their shenanigans.

 

[MikeMcMann]

What part of Bill Clinton being impeached did you not get? Was it the rapist part?


History doesn’t remember the little fish. You either get the big fish or not. Anything less allows Trump (in this case, but it’s the same for all of politics) to muddy the water, push his narrative, etc.

So its not a witch hunt if they get Trump in one of his other investigations that are not related to Russia?

So you see all the prosecutions Mueller has made that are not related to Russia as valid and not witch hunt material since you seem to be saying now only a conviction matters.

Nice.

Correct, the entire debacle is partisan. And as usual, it will be an election that determines whether trump stays on or fades away.


And yes, republicans will start investigating some bullshit if we lose. That’s the way this works.

Trump Russia investigation and otherwise was started by and has been run by republicans. Weirdo.

Too bad once Hillary took over the democrats started paying for Russian propaganda and using cnn user comments as sources.


I’m all for opposition research, but at least do it well. And for gods sake, don’t fucking lose after you’ve enlisted the help of various Obama administration officials.

Think of how terrible the democrat party is, that after all that, they still lost...

Talk about moving goal posts. The OSC mandate is to look into the Trump campaign. It has and it’s found numerous bad actors.

lol.

 

[bobgeese]

well this didn't address anything you responded to.

It absolutely did, you’re tired “but republicans started it” opens you up to, “what happened when democrats took over”. There were stark differences before and after democrats took control.


I’m sorry you don’t like the fact that democrats paid for Russian propaganda and used cnn user comments as a source. However, that is what happened.

 

[Ophydian]

Nobody thought trump would win, which is exactly why democrats were so careless in their shenanigans.

Why go through all the effort for no reason?

 

[bobgeese]

So its not a witch hunt if they get Trump in one of his other investigations that are not related to Russia?

So you see all the prosecutions Mueller has made that are not related to Russia as valid and not witch hunt material since you seem to be saying now only a conviction matters.

Nice.

lol.

I don’t believe I’ve ever called it a witch hunt. It’s a pretty typical political investigation with the real goal of damaging credibility and public opinion. Same as investigations into Hillary, Bill, etc.


I’m certainly not losing any sleep over PM being arrested. Fuck’em. I hope the investigation strikes some fears into folks peddling foreign money in our politics.

 

[Ophydian]

It absolutely did, you’re tired “but republicans started it” opens you up to, “what happened when democrats took over”. There were stark differences before and after democrats took control.


I’m sorry you don’t like the fact that democrats paid for Russian propaganda and used cnn user comments as a source. However, that is what happened.

Hillary didn’t ask Fusion to investigate ties with Russia. They were presented information from Fusion that Steele had already accumulated to fund the remainder of his research.

 

[bobgeese]

Why go through all the effort for no reason?

Because democrats wanted to win.





Politics is pretty much about winning at all costs.