Gagging for it (SCO Thread v. 29) Update Mueller Report Released

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Hillary didn’t ask Fusion to investigate ties with Russia. They were presented information from Fusion that Steele had already accumulated to fund the remainder of his research.


Who paid Steele?
 
Who paid Steele?

I’m not saying the democrats didn’t fund Steele I am saying they didn’t direct his research. Fusion sold the Democrats on the Russia link based on earlier Steele findings.
 
Because democrats wanted to win.

<TheDonald>



Politics is pretty much about winning at all costs.

Democrats figured it to be a landslide, the Russia dossier coming to light after the fact helps no one connected to Clinton. She lost, end of story. If Trump could be a normal, egoless person for 24 hrs, this investigation goes nowhere.
 
Hillary didn’t ask Fusion to investigate ties with Russia. They were presented information from Fusion that Steele had already accumulated to fund the remainder of his research.



During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination.

After Mr. Trump secured the nomination, Fusion GPS was hired on behalf of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign and the D.N.C. by their law firm, Perkins Coie, to compile research about Mr. Trump, his businesses and associates — including possible connections with Russia. It was at that point that Fusion GPS hired Mr. Steele, who has deep sourcing in Russia, to gather information.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html
 
LOL at Trump the great business man.


Deutsche Bank and Trump: $2 Billion in Loans and a Wary Board

New details are emerging about the long, symbiotic and at times troubled relationship between the president and his loyal German bank.

For nearly two decades, Donald J. Trump relied on Deutsche Bank to lend to him when other banks wouldn’t. ...

...From the outset, Deutsche Bank executives recognized that Mr. Trump was a risky client — that’s why most other banks considered him off-limits.

In 2003, Deutsche Bank helped Mr. Trump’s casino company sell hundreds of millions of dollars in bonds. (The salesmen were rewarded with a trip to Mar-a-Lago.) Mr. Trump’s company defaulted in 2004, leaving Deutsche Bank’s clients with deep losses. The bank’s investment division that sold the bonds vowed to not do business again with Mr. Trump.

A year later, though, Mr. Trump approached another part of the investment division for a $640 million loan to build a skyscraper in Chicago. It made the loan — and in 2008, Mr. Trump defaulted and sued Deutsche Bank. That prompted the whole investment division to sever ties with Mr. Trump.


And then, three years after his previous default, Deutsche Bank started lending to him again, this time through the private-banking division that catered to the superrich. In fact, it lent Mr. Trump money that he used to repay what he still owed Deutsche Bank’s investment division for the Chicago loan...

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In 2016, the board of directors commissioned a report into how the bank had become so enmeshed with Mr. Trump.

The report, prepared by the board’s integrity committee, concluded that Deutsche’s private-banking division, which catered to very rich individuals, was so determined to win business from big-name clients that its executives had looked past Mr. Trump’s history of stiffing his lenders and for engaging in demagogy, according to a person who read the report.

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Finally, there was Ms. Vrablic. Deutsche Bank recruited her to its private-banking division in 2006. One of her existing clients was Jared Kushner, who later introduced her to his father-in-law, Mr. Trump, according to a person familiar with the relationship.

Ms. Vrablic, an intensely private person who rarely discussed personal matters with her colleagues, steered more than $300 million in loans to Mr. Trump over the ensuing years. When he was sworn in as president, Ms. Vrablic sat in the V.I.P. section of the audience.

She expects to be called to testify before Congress.


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Oh and lets not forget this

Deutsche Bank fined for $10 billion Russian money-laundering scheme

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What part of Bill Clinton being impeached did you not get? Was it the rapist part?


History doesn’t remember the little fish. You either get the big fish or not. Anything less allows Trump (in this case, but it’s the same for all of politics) to muddy the water, push his narrative, etc.


Your understanding of the Clinton impeachment is grossly innacurate.

The senate didn’t vote to impeach because there was no constitutional crisis from the White House. You really have no clue what you’re talking about.

The running of the country wasn’t effected by his sex scandal.
 
Democrats figured it to be a landslide, the Russia dossier coming to light after the fact helps no one connected to Clinton. She lost, end of story. If Trump could be a normal, egoless person for 24 hrs, this investigation goes nowhere.
I know its tempting but I suggest ignoring all the 'whatabout Hilary' and 'whatabout Obama' and 'whatabout Democrats' crap. Its irrelevant. Its sole purpose is to try and distract from the topic at hand. They want nothing less then to get you diving back into the details to relitigate the stuff time and again when they have no intention of ever conceding anything regardless.

The trolls laugh when they can pull people off topic to that stuff.
 
I don’t believe I’ve ever called it a witch hunt. It’s a pretty typical political investigation with the real goal of damaging credibility and public opinion. Same as investigations into Hillary, Bill, etc.


I’m certainly not losing any sleep over PM being arrested. Fuck’em. I hope the investigation strikes some fears into folks peddling foreign money in our politics.
How would you feel if Trump pardoned him?
 
Mueller had a warrant on Cohen long before the raid... Jesus

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/politics/michael-cohen-warrant-documents/index.html

Washington (CNN)Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators were allowed to review years of Michael Cohen's emails and other online data from the time he worked under Donald Trump, according to federal warrants released Tuesday.

The documents show that Cohen, Trump's former lawyer and fixer, was a target of Mueller almost immediately after the special counsel was appointed in May 2017 and how extensively Mueller tracked computer data of those close to then-candidate Trump in the early days of his presidency.
In all, prosecutors and the FBI received permission to execute four search warrants for Cohen's two Gmail accounts and stored data in his Apple iCloud account in July, August and November 2017 -- long before Cohen's office was raided in April 2018 and he pleaded guilty in an illegal campaign contribution and tax prosecution led by Manhattan federal prosecutors.
READ: Newly released Michael Cohen court documents


Mueller also received approval on two separate occasions to track the numbers of Cohen's incoming and outgoing calls.
 
Your understanding of the Clinton impeachment is grossly innacurate.

The senate didn’t vote to impeach because there was no constitutional crisis from the White House. You really have no clue what you’re talking about.

The running of the country wasn’t effected by his sex scandal.
Dude, don't feed him. He knows he's being, let's say, playful with the truth. He also implied who paid for the dossier somehow means it wasn't accurate even though it has been shown over and over that nothing in it was assumed to be accurate unless it was already corroborated elsewhere, and much of it was corroborated elsewhere. He's a troll. He doesn't give a fuck about facts. Leave him to try to suck his own cock, to paraphrase a great man.
 
Mueller had a warrant on Cohen long before the raid... Jesus

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/politics/michael-cohen-warrant-documents/index.html

Washington (CNN)Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators were allowed to review years of Michael Cohen's emails and other online data from the time he worked under Donald Trump, according to federal warrants released Tuesday.

The documents show that Cohen, Trump's former lawyer and fixer, was a target of Mueller almost immediately after the special counsel was appointed in May 2017 and how extensively Mueller tracked computer data of those close to then-candidate Trump in the early days of his presidency.
In all, prosecutors and the FBI received permission to execute four search warrants for Cohen's two Gmail accounts and stored data in his Apple iCloud account in July, August and November 2017 -- long before Cohen's office was raided in April 2018 and he pleaded guilty in an illegal campaign contribution and tax prosecution led by Manhattan federal prosecutors.
READ: Newly released Michael Cohen court documents


Mueller also received approval on two separate occasions to track the numbers of Cohen's incoming and outgoing calls.
Eeeeheeeheeheee.

Me and the missus when I tell her about this,
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Dude, don't feed him. He knows he's being, let's say, playful with the truth. He also implied who paid for the dossier somehow means it wasn't accurate even though it has been shown over and over that nothing in it was assumed to be accurate unless it was already corroborated elsewhere, and much of it was corroborated elsewhere. He's a troll. He doesn't give a fuck about facts. Leave him to try to suck his own cock, to paraphrase a great man.
To be fair, Bob is the only one in here at least trying to defend the indefensible. My question remains, if someone like Bob posts exactly like a Russian troll bot, what's it matter if he is or he isnt?
 
How would you feel if Trump pardoned him?


I wouldn’t get behind that.

Like I said, the payoff of the entire Meuller investigation could very well be putting a little fear into the hearts of folks peddling foreign money into our politics.

Politically speaking, it’s a bad look to his base to minimize financial crimes, etc.

Lastly, it would give his opponents ammo to attack him.

Paul’s lucky as fuck to have gotten 6-7 years. Suck it up and do your time.
 
Your understanding of the Clinton impeachment is grossly innacurate.

The senate didn’t vote to impeach because there was no constitutional crisis from the White House. You really have no clue what you’re talking about.

The running of the country wasn’t effected by his sex scandal.



I lived through it, thanks.

I agree the country wasn’t effected. However, the purpose of almost all political attacks, investigations, etc. are to discredit and damage personal opinion.

Unfortunately for the republicans, Clinton was a decent president, had a good economy, as as much as the right wanted to hurt him, the people didn’t buy it.



That still doesn’t change the fact he was impeached. Democrats should examine every detail and consequence of that endeavor before attempting to do the same to trump.
 
I lived through it, thanks.

I agree the country wasn’t effected. However, the purpose of almost all political attacks, investigations, etc. are to discredit and damage personal opinion.

Unfortunately for the republicans, Clinton was a decent president, had a good economy, as as much as the right wanted to hurt him, the people didn’t buy it.



That still doesn’t change the fact he was impeached. Democrats should examine every detail and consequence of that endeavor before attempting to do the same to trump.

you can't beat a bot with soap in a sock until it admits it was wrong.....
(Unrelated gif of Kingpin's criminal initiation)
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I lived through it, thanks.

I agree the country wasn’t effected. However, the purpose of almost all political attacks, investigations, etc. are to discredit and damage personal opinion.

Unfortunately for the republicans, Clinton was a decent president, had a good economy, as as much as the right wanted to hurt him, the people didn’t buy it.



That still doesn’t change the fact he was impeached. Democrats should examine every detail and consequence of that endeavor before attempting to do the same to trump.

The right still uses the Clintons as a catch all obfuscation trick. People do buy it, and they're watching Fox News, as they were in the late 90s.
 
To be fair, Bob is the only one in here at least trying to defend the indefensible. My question remains, if someone like Bob posts exactly like a Russian troll bot, what's it matter if he is or he isnt?



Trump hasn’t been charged with any crimes.

I’m not sure what’s “indefensible”.
 
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