Gagging for it (SCO Thread v. 29) Update Mueller Report Released

[Strychnine]

Exactly. Thanks for proving my point.

For the last two years, the narrative has been that Trump's a criminal traitor that must be impeached and imprisoned. Now you're reduced to just hoping that he gets voted out next year.

So all along, the end goal was just political damage. Thanks.

I'm thinking that they meant best case scenario for President Trump.

Best case... He gets voted out...

 

[Ophydian]

This is not a "whatabout", but could you imagine what would be found if every single politician had their entire financial lives looked into with a fine toothed comb and with unlimited scope of investigative powers?

99.99% of them would rightfully be hung for treason.

Their all corrupt so let Trump go!!!!

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Who isn’t a Scumbag to an alt righter or trump die hard?

Old people, kids, parents of children who were in a major school shooting, just about everyone is on the list.

“Oh that old person is a scumbag, those kids who survived a shooting are scumbags.” There is no low for these people.

It’s satire at this point.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

JamesRussler is a complete troll who joined during the election just to troll forums. It’s so transparent.

He goes play byplay by the Kek 4 chan playbook of alt right trolling.

He even says “I was a democrat obama guy but switched for trump” Fn lulz, legit you weren’t.

He might even be a paid troll.

 

[Limit Smasher]

Their all corrupt so let Trump go!!!!

Not saying he should be let go.

But we should start putting all of these politicians through the same investigation.

I'm not a republican or a democrat. I hate all of them.

But so far, Trump has met my expectations and he's the least connected politician of all time. The establishment Republicans fucking hate him and the Democrats would like you to believe that he's responsible for everything wrong with the world.

He may prove me wrong but I'm certainly not going to side with some establishment clowns just for the sake of "muh resistance".

 

[JamesRussler]

What are your opinions on the multiple other investigations into all facets of Donald Trump's business, charity and campaign? All nothing?

Please, actually qualify your definition.

I think the people leading those investigations are doing so for political reasons. Hopefully Trump's new AG can rein in some of the Liberal activism in the local offices.

That's all I feel like typing right now, sorry man.

 

[computer fogie]

JamesRussler is a complete troll who joined during the election just to troll forums. It’s so transparent.

He goes play byplay by the Kek 4 chan playbook of alt right trolling.

He even says “I was a democrat obama guy but switched for trump” Fn lulz, legit you weren’t.

He might even be a paid troll.

Just because he says Trump "has been flawless", it doesn't mean he's trolling <Lmaoo>

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Not saying he should be let go.

But we should start putting all of these politicians through the same investigation.

I'm not a republican or a democrat. I hate all of them.

But so far, Trump has met my expectations and he's the least connected politician of all time. The establishment Republicans fucking hate him and the Democrats would like you to believe that he's responsible for everything wrong with the world.

He may prove me wrong but I'm certainly not going to side with some establishment clowns just for the sake of "muh resistance".

Do you find it at all odd everyone around him does corrupt or outright illegal things.

He’s filled countless positions with criminals. Heads of agencies he filled with corrupt people. How many countless people were removed or had to step down because of illegal activity. The people closest to him are all arrested now or charged with criminality.

I find it hard to belive someone could be this out of touch with reality.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Just because he says Trump "has been flawless", it doesn't mean he's trolling <Lmaoo>

Lol stop it.

I love the “i was a Democrat”

It’s complete satire.

 

[Limit Smasher]

Do you find it at all odd everyone around him does corrupt or outright illegal things.

He’s filled countless positions with criminals. Heads of agencies he filled with corrupt people. How many countless people were removed or had to step down because of illegal activity. The people closest to him are all arrested now or conserved with criminality.

I find it hard to belive someone could be this out of touch with reality.

I think if every other politician faced the same amount of scrutiny and investigation that Donald Trump has, there would be most certainly a greater amount of corruption uncovered.

I side with Trump because he's a newcomer to the disgusting political scene of America. I hate both parties equally. Trump essentially represents neither but has been forced to tow the republican line to get certain things done and be seen as effective. It's a symptom of our system.

The fact is that Trump may be crude but he's pretty liberal on social issues and his main concern is America First and fulfilling campaign promises.

I can understand opposing Trump but it blows my mind when people do it behind the hyper-partisan cover of the Democrats, as if they actually have the people's best interest in mind.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

I think if every other politician faced the same amount of scrutiny and investigation that Donald Trump has, there would be most certainly a greater amount of corruption uncovered.

I side with Trump because he's a newcomer to the disgusting political scene of America. I hate both parties equally. Trump essentially represents neither but has been forced to tow the republican line to get certain things done and be seen as effective. It's a symptom of our system.

The fact is that Trump may be crude but he's pretty liberal on social issues and his main concern is America First and fulfilling campaign promises.

I can understand opposing Trump but it blows my mind when people do it behind the hyper-partisan cover of the Democrats, as if they actually have the people's best interest in mind.

You don’t think Obama suffered scrutiny under a republican controlled congress??? Honestly?

This is why people say you guys are pathetically living in your own reality. It’s because you are.

An entire grassroots movement started about Obama’s birth certificate. A completely fabricated lie, anything to remove his credibility and trump was at the head of that as well. The right wing constantly moving to impeach him, to block all legislation, whether it helps Americans or not. There’s literally people saying just that on film, on record.



And you’re right, other politicians did face this scrutiny and similar things came up. Corruption. I’m sorry that this has been mostly republicans but that’s the truth. Nixon, Reagan, GWB, now trump.

Everyone around trump is involved with a scandal.. How can you trust his judgement, honest question, how can you? He put all these people in place. Manafort, Cohen, Scott Pruitt, Tom Price, Roger Stone, Betsy devos, Wilbur Ross, Brock Long. The list is endless.

He’s so dishonest it’s plain as day.

 

[hillelslovak87]

This is not a "whatabout", but could you imagine what would be found if every single politician had their entire financial lives looked into with a fine toothed comb and with unlimited scope of investigative powers?

99.99% of them would rightfully be hung for treason.

I highly doubt your treason reference, but I would be open to any and all oversight of our political class, which are America's pilfer enablers at this point.

 

[tonni]

JamesRussler is a complete troll who joined during the election just to troll forums. It’s so transparent.

He goes play byplay by the Kek 4 chan playbook of alt right trolling.

He even says “I was a democrat obama guy but switched for trump” Fn lulz, legit you weren’t.

He might even be a paid troll.

I mean his name is James Russler

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

This is not a "whatabout", but could you imagine what would be found if every single politician had their entire financial lives looked into with a fine toothed comb and with unlimited scope of investigative powers?

99.99% of them would rightfully be hung for treason.

Also not a whatabout, but any other president with this shit going on, I'd also be calling for their resignation or impeachment.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

I mean his name is James Russler

 

[Juventud]

Lol stop it.

I love the “i was a Democrat”

It’s complete satire.

The other 2 i love are Republicans suddenly hating Bush & his wars as soon as Trump says it aloud.

And suddenly loving Putin as soon as Trump flubbered onto the scene.
They wanted Obama to go to war with Putin over his continental meddling because he pussed out on the Iran 'red line'.

Oh and also loving every conspiracy today & even entertaining 9/11.

 

[tonni]

This is not a "whatabout", but could you imagine what would be found if every single politician had their entire financial lives looked into with a fine toothed comb and with unlimited scope of investigative powers?

99.99% of them would rightfully be hung for treason.

Boohoo.

 

[MikeMcMann]

JamesRussler is a complete troll who joined during the election just to troll forums. It’s so transparent.

He goes play byplay by the Kek 4 chan playbook of alt right trolling.

He even says “I was a democrat obama guy but switched for trump” Fn lulz, legit you weren’t.

He might even be a paid troll.

Just because he says Trump "has been flawless", it doesn't mean he's trolling <Lmaoo>

It certainly suggests he is not paid. Who would pay for such crap?

 

[MikeMcMann]

I think the people leading those investigations are doing so for political reasons. Hopefully Trump's new AG can rein in some of the Liberal activism in the local offices.

That's all I feel like typing right now, sorry man.

My last point... made.

Yes what the US needs is for Trump to take more and more control of the judiciary and other check and balances within gov't. That is the path to good and honest governance in the USA. he would be such a dear leader with there being no authority to check him.

 

[woodguyatl]

Previous Threads

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1. Don Jr. Confirms Trump Tower "adoption" meeting w/ kushner, Manafort
2. Gowdy Excoriates Trump
3. Trump Fixates on Leakers
4. Cover of Time
5. "Nothing Illegal"
7. "Nothingburger"
8. Royale With Cheese
9. First Charges
10. One Guilty Plea, Two Indictments
11. This is it Megathread
12. From Mueller with Love
13. Bob Mueller's Thirteen Russian Burgers
14. Conspiracy is a Gates-way Drug
15. Nunberg, not Nothingburger
16. Urine Trouble
17. Tamper Tantrum
18. The investigation just GRU
19. Mid-air Collusion
20. Just a Cohencidence
21. Pecker Problems
22. Patton the Back
23. Manafort Pleas, Thank You
24. Ferris Mueller's Election Off
25. Use it in a Sentence
26. Flynn Cohen to Prison
27. Perjuring the Swamp
28. Get me Roger Stone

Current big news:

• According to an anonymous source, the Mueller Report may be submitted by March 2019
• Roger Stone and his attorneys are no longer allowed to publicly discuss their case except to assert his innocence and ask for money. This is because the court issued an extensive gag order after Stone tweeted a picture of the judge next to a crosshair symbol.
• The Manhattan District Attorney is prepared to bring state criminal charges if Trump pardons Manafort.

Mod note from previous thread: Please post in here with regards to the subject at hand. Any general chat can go in the WR Lounge thread.

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Just to be clear, going forward, these type of posts also count of derailing:
1. Talking about how the thread is derailed/ how mods should handle a situation (report and continue on topic discussions)
2. Joking about posters who are reply banned from the thread
3. Posts with only flaming that do not have any other information about the topic
4. A reply to any of the above

Stop doing these. This isn't some game of getting each other reply bans and infractions. Just stay on topic, report when needed. We have the WR OT for posts like the ones above but they have no place in a normal thread.

Major events so far:

• Manafort, Trump's campaign manager and transition committee member has been indicted arising from misconduct reaching into 2017 related to payments received through 2014 from the pro-russia faction of Ukraine's pre-war government. Manafort pleaded guilty, agreed to cooperate with federal prosecutors, and then lied to them.
• Roger Stone has been charged with Obstruction, Lying to Investigators, and Witness Tampering. This is in connection with an investigation into his contacts with WikiLeaks and the dissemination of info from the DNC and Clinton hacks. He is now subject to a gag order.
  
• Michael Cohen, Trump's attorney, has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations, which he claims to have committed at Trump's direction to influence the election. Cohen cooperated with federal prosecutors and received a 3-year sentence.
• Allen Weisselberg, the Trump Org. CFO, has agreed to immunity in exchange for cooperating with federal prosecutors
• Rick Gates has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiring (with Manafort) to commiting tax fraud, failing to register as a foreign agent, and lying to the FBI
• George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators in 2017 about activities occuring 2016-17. Admits to meeting with various Russian officials regarding setting up meetings and "dirt" on Hillary while acting on behalf of the Trump campaign, something he previously denied. Papadopoulos is now accusing Mifsud of being a deep state plant on Twitter.
• Mike Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor, has also pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about several meetings that he had with the Russian ambassador. Flynn was allegedly involved in other business involving Turkey, but has not yet been charged with respect to that behavior.
• 13 Russian indictment for activity starting in 2014 and continuing through 2017. A US citizen pleaded guilty for agreeing to help them. There is also a separate 12 count indictment targeting GRU officers
• An attorney linked to Manafort, Gates, and a Russian oligarch has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI
• Yohai, Manafort's former son-in-law has agreed to cooperate with the Justice Department
• Daniels's lawsuit has somehow, insanely, gotten linked up to the Mueller investigation thanks to alleged wrongdoing and influence-peddling by Michael Cohen. Who has pleaded guilty and offered to fully cooperate.
• Twelve Russian intelligence officers have been indicted for conspiracy against the United States and aggravated identity theft
• Bruce Ohr, of dossier fame, has been working to obtain information from Russian oligarchs since 2014.
• Documents relating to Manafort's guilty plea implicate Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta is the brother of Clinton's campaign advisor, John Podesta. His former firm, which is now cooperating with the probe, worked for Manafort in Ukraine.

Dumb talking points:

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Stone wasn't charged with Collusion!
Correct. He was charged for obstructing the investigation, lying under oath, and witness tampering.

Why hasn't anybody been charged with "collusion"?
Collusion is a catch-all term. It's not the name of a specific crime.

So where is the Collusion?
The Mueller investigation is about any links between "the Russian Government and individuals associated with the campaign of Donald Trump". Stone is an individual associated with the campaign of Donald Trump. The link investigated there revolves around the information stolen by Russian state actors and distributed through WikiLeaks. For other links, read above.

Where are the thousands of Indictments?
What thousands? There are forty or so listed here, but nobody has claimed thousands.

Stone says he didn't do it!
So do a lot of other defendants who turn out to be guilty.

These are "process crimes", so they don't really count.
First, there isn't a judge in this country who believes that things like obstruction and witness tampering aren't serious crimes. The distinction between "process" crimes and other felonies is meaningless. Second, a significant amount of charged conduct goes well beyond "process." Third, there is definitely a great deal of uncharged or sealed conduct that goes beyond "process"-as shown by the failed redaction in Manafort's recent filing.

CNN was there an hour before Stone was arrested!
Who gives a shit? Why does that matter?

To clarify, the Stone gag order is not "extensive." He was given a long leash previously. The current gag order is a fairly standard one.