Gagging for it (SCO Thread v. 29) Update Mueller Report Released

[MikeMcMann]

I think if every other politician faced the same amount of scrutiny and investigation that Donald Trump has, there would be most certainly a greater amount of corruption uncovered.

I side with Trump because he's a newcomer to the disgusting political scene of America. I hate both parties equally. Trump essentially represents neither but has been forced to tow the republican line to get certain things done and be seen as effective. It's a symptom of our system.

The fact is that Trump may be crude but he's pretty liberal on social issues and his main concern is America First and fulfilling campaign promises.

I can understand opposing Trump but it blows my mind when people do it behind the hyper-partisan cover of the Democrats, as if they actually have the people's best interest in mind.

Ya, if you are serious here and are not just hopelessly partisan then you are extremely naive.

Most presidencies end up under serious investigation. If you need to see a list of investigations against each you can use @KONG-D'SNT-TAP post above and its an easy google.

These investigations end up in a horrendous amount of charges and convictions against those in Repub admins and compartivily few against Dem lead ones. This despite the fact that most in law enforcement and judiciary are Republicans.

I've discussed this prior with someone who laughed at the idea that these guys investigating were 'actual' Republicans and not Deep State plants who were Democrats disguising themselves as Republican to be more effective (like @JamesRussler claiming to a Dem) and then you show them most of them are life long Republicans which means they have been playing this long game of faking to be Repub, well before they were even in law enforcement, so that one day they could spring this trap on Repub POTUS's.

 

[MikeMcMann]

To clarify, the Stone gag order is not "extensive." He was given a long leash previously. The current gag order is a fairly standard one.

He is being given some rope that he will likely use to hang himself.

If he transgresses one more time, she may well make him sit in a cell until the trial, if she determines she cannot otherwise keep him from using the internet and social media.

Stone being in a cell prior to the trial could serve Mueller very well. Stone with an eye to what his future home might look and feel like might make him quickly determine that he should not gamble on a pardon and instead should try and strike a deal to guarantee his liberty.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

With so many criminals around Trump, what are the chances he's got clean hands, under 10%, given his proven history of deception and dishonesty?

 

[JamesRussler]

Ya, if you are serious here and are not just hopelessly partisan then you are extremely naive.

Most presidencies end up under serious investigation. If you need to see a list of investigations against each you can use @KONG-D'SNT-TAP post above and its an easy google.

These investigations end up in a horrendous amount of charges and convictions against those in Repub admins and compartivily few against Dem lead ones. This despite the fact that most in law enforcement and judiciary are Republicans.

I've discussed this prior with someone who laughed at the idea that these guys investigating were 'actual' Republicans and not Deep State plants who were Democrats disguising themselves as Republican to be more effective (like @JamesRussler claiming to a Dem) and then you show them most of them are life long Republicans which means they have been playing this long game of faking to be Repub, well before they were even in law enforcement, so that one day they could spring this trap on Repub POTUS's.

I am still a registered Democrat, come to think of it.

 

[JamesRussler]

My last point... made.

Yes what the US needs is for Trump to take more and more control of the judiciary and other check and balances within gov't. That is the path to good and honest governance in the USA. he would be such a dear leader with there being no authority to check him.

The administrative branch is not supposed to be “check” on the President (it shouldn’t even exist). Also, judges obstructing the president when he is within the law is not “checking” him. He shouldn’t have to get them all reversed in the SCOTUS.

 

[andnowweknow]

I am still a registered Democrat, come to think of it.

Prove it.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

More wigs to split and more cheeks to bust.

Roger Stone already getting prepped to have the homies take his booty.

He's probably a Peter gazer. He better watch that stuff in prison.

Why is he afraid? He'll have all the meat he wants to look at once he's there.

 

[JamesRussler]

Prove it.

You’re gonna hafta take my word for it

 

[MikeMcMann]

I am still a registered Democrat, come to think of it.

 

[MikeMcMann]

The administrative branch is not supposed to be “check” on the President (it shouldn’t even exist). Also, judges obstructing the president when he is within the law is not “checking” him. He shouldn’t have to get them all reversed in the SCOTUS.

The Judiciary is supposed to be independant. The AG and Justice Department are supposed to represent the American public and country and not the POTUS. That independance acts as a check and balance to a POTUS if he acts against the peoples and countries interests.

Trump demands fealty and that everyone bend the knee and he is trying to replace everyone at all levels until he gets that.

I guarantee that in the post Trump world you will see the Congress and Senate tackle all the rules around checks and balances of a POTUS and tighten and clarify them all. Trump has proved that if you leave an inch of space for him to act inappropriately within the law he will take it.

 

[andnowweknow]

Mueller just dropped an 800 page report on the courts regarding Paul Manafort...in the immortal words of Mr. Quinton Jackson, "it's gon' be ugly day".

 

[JamesRussler]

Just because he says Trump "has been flawless", it doesn't mean he's trolling <Lmaoo>

We see the world differently.

The Judiciary is supposed to be independant.

The judiciary is supposed to interpret and apply the law. It is not allowed to create the law or bend it for political purposes. The judiciary’s independence simply means it is not controlled by the other branches. Token opposition to the POTUS is not independence; it is activism—bad behavior which warrants removal from the bench.

By the way, it’s spelled i-n-d-e-p-e-n-d-E-n-t.

The AG and Justice Department are supposed to represent the American public and country and not the POTUS.

You have no clue what you are talking about. I also impute your ignorance to @Limbo Pete , since he upvoted your comment.

The AG is an agent of the POTUS. The DOJ is an administrative/executive agency. It is not a separate branch of the government. It is not supposed to be independent from the Executive Branch. The POTUS swears to uphold the Constitution and laws, and the AG merely assists him by enforcing criminal laws. If the AG or any of his inferior officers believe they cannot follow the POTUS’s orders without breaking the law, the proper course of action is to quit—nothing more.

That independance acts as a check and balance to a POTUS if he acts against the peoples and countries interests.

Again, you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Trump demands fealty and that everyone bend the knee and he is trying to replace everyone at all levels until he gets that.

The president’s cabinet must indeed “bend the knee.” That’s the how the chain of command works. If they have a problem, they should be replaced. If the insubordination is part of a larger partisan plan to thwart the will of the President (and by extension the American people), criminal charges should be considered.

I guarantee that in the post Trump world you will see the Congress and Senate tackle all the rules around checks and balances of a POTUS and tighten and clarify them all. Trump has proved that if you leave an inch of space for him to act inappropriately within the law he will take it.

I guarantee you the opposite will happen. Before Trump’s second term ends, all of your heroes from “Russiagate” will be getting the Jussie Smollett treatment, and Congress will pass legislation to make sure no such subversive activity is allowed to happen ever again.

 

[Limbo Pete]

We see the world differently.


The judiciary is supposed to interpret and apply the law. It is not allowed to create the law or bend it for political purposes. The judiciary’s independence simply means it is not controlled by the other branches. Token opposition to the POTUS is not independence; it is activism—bad behavior which warrants removal from the bench.

By the way, it’s spelled i-n-d-e-p-e-n-d-E-n-t.



You have no clue what you are talking about. I also impute your ignorance to @Limbo Pete , since he upvoted your comment.

The AG is an agent of the POTUS. The DOJ is an administrative/executive agency. It is not a separate branch of the government. It is not supposed to be independent from the Executive Branch. The POTUS swears to uphold the Constitution and laws, and the AG merely assists him by enforcing criminal laws. If the AG or any of his inferior officers believe they cannot follow the POTUS’s orders without breaking the law, the proper course of action is to quit—nothing more.



Again, you have no clue what you’re talking about.



The president’s cabinet must indeed “bend the knee.” That’s the how the chain of command works. If they have a problem, they should be replaced. If the insubordination is part of a larger partisan plan to thwart the will of the President (and by extension the American people), criminal charges should be considered.



I guarantee you the opposite will happen. Before Trump’s second term ends, all of your heroes from “Russiagate” will be getting the Jussie Smollett treatment, and Congress will pass legislation to make sure no such subversive activity is allowed to happen ever again.

Wat

 

[JamesRussler]

Wat

That’s what you said in November 2016

 

[new_mexico1]

Lol. Should Roger Stone even be worried about rape between his age and being in protective custidy?

 

[andnowweknow]

Lol. Should Roger Stone even be worried about rape between his age and being in protective custidy?

He's a freak. Maybe he'll want his wife to come and watch him get plowed.

 

[MikeMcMann]

We see the world differently.


The judiciary is supposed to interpret and apply the law. It is not allowed to create the law or bend it for political purposes. The judiciary’s independence simply means it is not controlled by the other branches. Token opposition to the POTUS is not independence; it is activism—bad behavior which warrants removal from the bench.

nothing you say here is relevant to my prior points.

Giving Trump more control of the judiciary (giving him a friendly AG to rein in investigations as you want) is not ensuring independence.

This judiciary is interpreting and applying the law in these Trump investigations. There are no claims whatsoever that they have manufactured new laws in order to pursue his circles crimes. They are applying existing laws.

You have no clue what you are talking about. I also impute your ignorance to @Limbo Pete , since he upvoted your comment.

The AG is an agent of the POTUS. The DOJ is an administrative/executive agency. It is not a separate branch of the government. It is not supposed to be independent from the Executive Branch. The POTUS swears to uphold the Constitution and laws, and the AG merely assists him by enforcing criminal laws. If the AG or any of his inferior officers believe they cannot follow the POTUS’s orders without breaking the law, the proper course of action is to quit—nothing more.

Again you are the one wrong and showing your ignorance. Not myself or @Limbo Pete.

The POTUS appoints the AG but he is DOES NOT represent the POTUS which is what I said and is correct.

Again, you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Except for the FACT i am right again and you are wrong again.

The president’s cabinet must indeed “bend the knee.” That’s the how the chain of command works.

NO it does not. MORE ignorance from you. The FBI director. The CIA director. Homeland, etc, none of them swear an oath to the POTUS. They do so to the COUNTRY.

Your problem is you equate the POTUS to the COUNTRY as if this is N./Korea or a dictatorship where they will tell you they are one in the same.

All of these offices would have a role in taking down and removing a POTUS if his interests were shown to be adverse to the countries as they are responsible to the country.

You do a JOB for a boss. You do not owe or give them fealty. They can earn your respect and your loyalty over time. You really need to move to N.Korea if you want that system as that is not the one the US has.

If they have a problem, they should be replaced. If the insubordination is part of a larger partisan plan o thwart the will of the President (and by extension the American people), criminal charges should be considered.

That is not a one way street. If the POTUS is the problem he should be removed. Criminal charges should be brought. And they should lead that process.

I guarantee you the opposite will happen. Before Trump’s second term ends, all of your heroes from “Russiagate” will be getting the Jussie Smollett treatment, and Congress will pass legislation to make sure no such subversive activity is allowed to happen ever again.

Ha, you are one crazy nutter.

 

[xcvbn]

He's a freak. Maybe he'll want his wife to come and watch him get plowed.

"Hey honey, this ain't so bad!"

 

[Limbo Pete]

That’s what you said in November 2016

There were a lot more explitives

 

[Limbo Pete]

nothing you say here is relevant to my prior points.

Giving Trump more control of the judiciary (giving him a friendly AG to rein in investigations as you want) is not ensuring independence.

This judiciary is interpreting and applying the law in these Trump investigations. There are no claims whatsoever that they have manufactured new laws in order to pursue his circles crimes. They are applying existing laws.





Again you are the one wrong and showing your ignorance. Not myself or @Limbo Pete.

The POTUS appoints the AG but he is DOES NOT represent the POTUS which is what I said and is correct.

Except for the FACT i am right again and you are wrong again.


NO it does not. MORE ignorance from you. The FBI director. The CIA director. Homeland, etc, none of them swear an oath to the POTUS. They do so to the COUNTRY.

Your problem is you equate the POTUS to the COUNTRY as if this is N./Korea or a dictatorship where they will tell you they are one in the same.

All of these offices would have a role in taking down and removing a POTUS if his interests were shown to be adverse to the countries as they are responsible to the country.

You do a JOB for a boss. You do not owe or give them fealty. They can earn your respect and your loyalty over time. You really need to move to N.Korea if you want that system as that is not the one the US has.

That is not a one way street. If the POTUS is the problem he should be removed. Criminal charges should be brought. And they should lead that process.

Ha, you are one crazy nutter.

"No more subversive activity"
Yeah, he's straying into the Latin American dictator zone there lol