Gagging for it (SCO Thread v. 29) Update Mueller Report Released

[LangfordBarrow]

Oh and i am not so sure the rest of Trump supporters do not care about Prince and the other swamp monsters.


"With the American voter, it begins with a plan to end the rampant governmentt corruption and put the special interests out of business. We are going to do it. I understand it very well. (oh boy does he)

I want everyone in Washington to hear and heed the words that we all say together "If we win on November 8th we are going to drain the swamp in Washington DC (rousing cheers). We are draining the Swamp."




That seemed to be exactly one of the things voters were voting for him for along with Mexico paying for the wall. the draining of the swamp monsters seemed like a pretty important thing to them.

You are not now going to pretend they did not care if Mexico paid for it now, are you?

Bobby is a lost cause. <{cruzshake}>

 

[AlexDB9]

You need to read more or try to ask more questions rather than offering what is proving to be, time and again a very uniformed opinion you have.

He was Russian Ukrainian who has known ties to the russian secret service whom he trained with and went to Russian spy school (university).

Your 'advertisements' is a gross Fox and Friends type simplification.

So yes Mueller has already tied the Trump campaign to collusion with Russia. Its in the Manafort filings. He gave them key internal polling data so they could target specific districts in an attempt to impact voting. That is a quid pro quo with a foreign adversarial gov't to gain benefit for the campaign which goes well beyond campaign finance law violations.

Bro I have to tell you, you have an aura of narcissism about your posts almost Trump like. I’m not misinformed I just like to think for myself and wait for the outcome

 

[MikeMcMann]

Ukraine was part of the USSR and are referred to as "New Russia". Russia interfered in their elections to have have a puppet in power. The same Russian backed president that was ousted after winning a corrupted election then somehow once again came to power, and was moving the country away from the EU and into a bloc that Russia wanted to form, basically reconstructing the USSR. The people wanted nothing to do with it, and again protested to remove that President from power, initiating the invasion that lost them Crimea and their eastern industrial regions. Russia was forced to show their hand and that's the reason they are under sanctions to this day. They have done the same in Georgia and Moldovia<?> and it illustrates why linking Manafort to Ukraine in effect links him to Russia. If you have time to read up on the Orange Revolution and the Euromaidan Revolution it will probably clear up a lot.

And while not every Ukranian is a Russian a lot of Ukranians are Russians. I hope @AlexDB9 reads what you provided but so far he has shown very little interest in educated himself on these topics. Lots of Fox and Friends friendly opinions but very little data or actually information to back any of them up.

Sadly that seems to be the norm for not just many Trumpsters on this forum but the Republicans in both the Senate and Congress. You cannot learn or find anything wrong if you refuse to look.

Konstantin Kilimnik is Russian'Ukranian who went to the known GRU (KGB) spy school in Russia for his university years he was a former officer with the Russian military intelligence service and a suspected former intelligence officer with the Russian GRU.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Bro I have to tell you, you have an aura of narcissism about your posts almost Trump like. I’m not misinformed I just like to think for myself and wait for the outcome

lol. You like to think for yourself with a minimum of information as you expose time and again. "Oh, geez I never knew he was dealing with Russians' hurr durr, "I never knew that Manafort had been cited for collusion", hurr durr.

Maybe that 'thinking for yourself' thing is just not for you. Speak and write less and read more and listen. Believe it or not offering up an uninformed opinion is not better than offering no opinion at all.

 

[AlexDB9]

lol. You like to think for yourself with a minimum of information as you expose time and again. "Oh, geez I never knew he was dealing with Russians' hurr durr, "I never knew that Manafort had been cited for collusion", hurr durr.

Maybe that 'thinking for yourself' thing is just not for you. Speak and write less and read more and listen. Believe it or not offering up an uninformed opinion is not better than offering no opinion at all.

Case in point

 

[MikeMcMann]

Case in point

yes you are indeed.

I never heard that...

I never read anything about that...

I did not know...


But hey, let me tell you my opinion on this stuff.

 

[bobgeese]

Oh and i am not so sure the rest of Trump supporters do not care about Prince and the other swamp monsters.


"With the American voter, it begins with a plan to end the rampant governmentt corruption and put the special interests out of business. We are going to do it. I understand it very well. (oh boy does he)

I want everyone in Washington to hear and heed the words that we all say together "If we win on November 8th we are going to drain the swamp in Washington DC (rousing cheers). We are draining the Swamp."




That seemed to be exactly one of the things voters were voting for him for along with Mexico paying for the wall. the draining of the swamp monsters seemed like a pretty important thing to them.

You are not now going to pretend they did not care if Mexico paid for it now, are you?

Adults understand that campaign “promises” are wishful thinking.


Sorry you’re too naive to understand that.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Adults understand that campaign “promises” are wishful thinking.


Sorry you’re too naive to understand that.

So what is it you think adults are choosing to vote on?

 

[Strychnine]

NY AG is going over Deutche Bank dealings with the Trump organization...

"NEW YORK — New York's attorney general has opened a civil investigation into President Donald Trump's business dealings, acting after his former personal lawyer and fixer told Congress that he exaggerated his wealth to obtain loans. Trump tweeted an apparent response Tuesday night, decrying his home state and its governor as "PRESIDENTIAL HARASSERS."

Attorney General Letitia James issued subpoenas Monday to Deutsche Bank and Investors Bank seeking records related to four Trump real estate projects and his failed 2014 bid to buy the NFL's Buffalo Bills, according to a person familiar with the inquiry.

Trump's former lawyer, Michael Cohen, told Congress in late February that Trump exaggerated his wealth on financial statements provided to Deutsche Bank when he was trying to obtain financing to buy the Bills.

Cohen told a House committee it was common for Trump to overstate his wealth when dealing with the news media or banks and for him to understate it when it came time to pay his taxes."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...mp-cries-harassers/ar-BBUGadl?ocid=spartanntp

 

[Seano]

So what is it you think adults are choosing to vote on?

The closest match to their ideals. The best they can do.

 

[bobgeese]

So what is it you think adults are choosing to vote on?

The set of broad policy outlines best match their political beliefs.


That being said, the old “who would you rather share a beer with” question should not be dismissed.


Did you really buy,
No new taxes?
Hope and change?
Bernie’s 20 trillion in free shit?


Tbh, I’m shocked Trump fulfilled as many campaign promises as he did.

 

[bobgeese]

The closest match to their ideals. The best they can do.

I swear, engaging with shartdog liberals is like talking to a 14 year old. Well, that is when they’re not just rejecting all facts and conversing like a 3 year old.

 

[zebby23]

The closest match to their ideals. The best they can do.

So Donald Trump is the closest to your ideals?

My oh my

 

[MikeMcMann]

NY AG is going over Deutche Bank dealings with the Trump organization...

"NEW YORK — New York's attorney general has opened a civil investigation into President Donald Trump's business dealings, acting after his former personal lawyer and fixer told Congress that he exaggerated his wealth to obtain loans. Trump tweeted an apparent response Tuesday night, decrying his home state and its governor as "PRESIDENTIAL HARASSERS."

Attorney General Letitia James issued subpoenas Monday to Deutsche Bank and Investors Bank seeking records related to four Trump real estate projects and his failed 2014 bid to buy the NFL's Buffalo Bills, according to a person familiar with the inquiry.

Trump's former lawyer, Michael Cohen, told Congress in late February that Trump exaggerated his wealth on financial statements provided to Deutsche Bank when he was trying to obtain financing to buy the Bills.

Cohen told a House committee it was common for Trump to overstate his wealth when dealing with the news media or banks and for him to understate it when it came time to pay his taxes."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...mp-cries-harassers/ar-BBUGadl?ocid=spartanntp

Yup. More criminality about to be exposed by Trump.

He either lied on Insurance and Banking forms inflating his wealth to get loans which is felony.

OR

He lied on his tax filings deflating his wealth to avoid taxes. Also a felony.

There is no third option. Trump is guilty of one or the other Felonies and likely his kids (Board members) are too.

Here is just one example of what Cohen cited about how suddenly Trump claimed a property he owned was worth $291MM when he was applying for a loan with Deutsche bank but then deflated it in filings immediately after the loan.

All of those values are from filings Cohen provided.

 

[MikeMcMann]

The closest match to their ideals. The best they can do.

The set of broad policy outlines best match their political beliefs.


That being said, the old “who would you rather share a beer with” question should not be dismissed.


Did you really buy,
No new taxes?
Hope and change?
Bernie’s 20 trillion in free shit?


Tbh, I’m shocked Trump fulfilled as many campaign promises as he did.

So you are both now saying they believe and trust what they hear, otherwise how would they know that? And you are saying you do want to see them fulfilling promises.

So in other words the promises do matter. Thx.

 

[bobgeese]

So you are both now saying they believe and trust what they hear, otherwise how would they know that? And you are saying you do want to see them fulfilling promises.

So in other words the promises do matter. Thx.

You either have the intellect of a child, or are incredibly disingenuous.


Either way, it’s a bad look.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I swear, engaging with shartdog liberals is like talking to a 14 year old. Well, that is when they’re not just rejecting all facts and conversing like a 3 year old.

Except i am right and you are stupid.

You don't get to mock the campaign promises and what candidates say as something no one cares about or listens to because they are not trustable, while both admitting what you chose based on the platform they told you they support .

You are so stupid you don't see you just destroyed your own argument while claiming victory.

 

[bobgeese]

Except i am right and you are stupid.

You don't get to mock the campaign promises and what candidates say as something no one cares about or listens to because they are not trustable, while both admitting what you chose based on the platform they told you they support .

You are so stupid you don't see you just destroyed your own argument while claiming victory.

Back in reality, one candidate supported increasing border security. The other candidate literally “dreams of a hemispheric free trade zone with open borders”.

It’s pretty clear who anyone concerned with border security would vote for, regardless of campaign promises.




But ya know, you tried...

 

[Seano]

So you are both now saying they believe and trust what they hear, otherwise how would they know that? And you are saying you do want to see them fulfilling promises.

So in other words the promises do matter. Thx.

I say I look at the candidates and basically vote for the one that least offends me, ideally.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Back in reality, one candidate supported increasing border security. The other candidate literally “dreams of a hemispheric free trade zone with open borders”.

It’s pretty clear who anyone concerned with border security would vote for, regardless of campaign promises.




But ya know, you tried...

I think you know Hilary's mention of open borders was referring to trade, Bob. She wasn't advocating for the removal of national borders, Bob.