Gagging for it (SCO Thread v. 29) Update Mueller Report Released

[zebby23]

I know this is the goof troop lions den so I don’t expect you guys to agree with my view

You don’t even present a view lol

That’s the problem

 

[MikeMcMann]

Haha me and you are just going in circles. Listen let’s talk when and if anything at all is actually released

Well yes if by that you mean you keep stating stupid, ignorant and wrong things and I keep proving you wrong. Yes those circles continue.

And info is released albeit by accident by Manaforts legal team. What you mean to say is to wait to see when the court rules on it.

 

[zebby23]

Well yes if by that you mean you keep stating stupid, ignorant and wrong things and I keep proving you wrong. Yes those circles continue.

And info is released albeit by accident by Manaforts legal team. What you mean to say is to wait to see when the court rules on it.

That’s what they call circles lol

One side presents an opinion backed by facts and the other side presents an emotional opinion based on emotion.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I know this is the goof troop lions den so I don’t expect you guys to agree with my view

Statements that are obviously wrong and just repeated over and over are not a 'view'. At best you are trolling and at worst just dumb.

 

[MikeMcMann]

That’s what they call circles lol

One side presents an opinion backed by facts and the other side presents an emotional opinion based on emotion.

Good trumpsters. Ignore reality and the truth and simply state what you want to be true as true and repeat it for the base who will run with it.

 

[AlexDB9]

You don’t even present a view lol

That’s the problem

Pretty sure I did about 2 pages back multiple times

Well yes if by that you mean you keep stating stupid, ignorant and wrong things and I keep proving you wrong. Yes those circles continue.

And info is released albeit by accident by Manaforts legal team. What you mean to say is to wait to see when the court rules on it.

Ok buddy, you’ve proved me wrong somehow in your mind and I’m cool with that, really

 

[LangfordBarrow]

How am playing games with words? You said it could be entirely plausible Trump had nothing do with it right? Listen I’m not saying it’s for nothing, I’m saying it’s turned into circus and has deviated from the original claim of Russian collusion to keep certain people on the edge of their seat hoping for a Trump impeachment. If you take that as me not wanting an honest debate then I don’t know what else to write

The investigation doesn't have to reach Trump to be legitimate. I know Manafort hasn't been charged specifically with that but just based on his history and the few things that have come out I'd say it's been a successful. At this point we can only speculate at what else they've uncovered and are waiting for the proper time to bring charges or to submit their report to Barr.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I don’t know I can’t read Trumps mind. Yeah, I’m guessing around version 435 is when we will really know that for sure...

Reading Trump's mind won't do any good. He thinks in "lie" too.

 

[AlexDB9]

The investigation doesn't have to reach Trump to be legitimate. I know Manafort hasn't been charged specifically with that but just based on his history and the few things that have come out I'd say it's been a successful. At this point we can only speculate at what else they've uncovered and are waiting for the proper time to bring charges or to submit their report to Barr.

I can agree with this, my simple point is that it was all started as Russian collusion specifically tied to Trump. The investigation can take out everyone around Trump and still be successful sure because people did break the law. My personal (I keep saying personal) idea is that they don’t have much on Trump hence they keep pushing the release back every month in hope of finding something anything to connect directly to Trump

If that makes me a trumpetard/dumb/accepting of lies etc. so be it I guess. I’m just words on a screen here, I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I’m saying your so fixated on it that it will be version 431 before you realize that there’s nothing even remotely present that would indicate collusion. Oh ok so like I said in 2024 you gottem dead to rights

Do you mean nothing tying Trump to collusion? The polling data Manafort is said to have handed over seems like a pretty clear cut case to me.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I don’t give a single fuck about Prince, neither does the vast majority of the country.

The only thing that matters politically, is if trump is removed from office. Anything short of that is a death blow to media/democrat credibility.


Nobody, and I mean nobody will give a shit about Adam shiffs report when Meullers report flops. Media and anyone who parroted Muh Russia are going to run as far away from their involvement with Russia reporting as possible.


You far left morons however will still be listing off alleged crimes when trump is 6 feet under. And still, nobody will care.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I can agree with this, my simple point is that it was all started as Russian collusion specifically tied to Trump. The investigation can take out everyone around Trump and still be successful sure because people did break the law. My personal (I keep saying personal) idea is that they don’t have much on Trump hence they keep pushing the release back every month in hope of finding something anything to connect directly to Trump

If that makes me a trumpetard/dumb/accepting of lies etc. so be it I guess. I’m just words on a screen here, I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind

The investigation was tying the campaign to the Russian interference efforts during the election. Trump was a guy that had a bare bones campaign going in and once it started to look like he was gaining traction they filled in a lot of positions with questionable people. According to reports it was Manafort that brought in a lot of help. Trump could have been clueless during all this. He could have just followed the carrot they dangled in front of him.

 

[AlexDB9]

Do you mean nothing tying Trump to collusion? The polling data Manafort is said to have handed over seems like a pretty clear cut case to me.

So by my understanding that polling data would be used to target certain groups to throw advertisements at them essentially? I’m still not sure if it was a Ukrainian guy or a Russian connection as the story had multiple re-writes and the source wasn’t clear. Manafort was also linked to the Ukrainian since 2005. Wasn’t Clinton’s campaign also “helped” by the same Ukrainians? Pretty sure I read that back in like 2017. That doesn’t excuse Manafort, one has to think though much easier ways to go about colluding and he’s rightfully going to the slammer, whether he takes Trump with him is yet to be determined.

I think if Trump goes down at all it will be for shenanigans regarding taxes and or real estate backdoor deals before he was president

I still find the whole idea of Russians needing to convince me to not vote for the person falling over and convulsing on live tv laughable. Personally I think Trump and his people lack the nuance required to successfully pull off something of this grandeur

 

[MikeMcMann]

I can agree with this, my simple point is that it was all started as Russian collusion specifically tied to Trump. The investigation can take out everyone around Trump and still be successful sure because people did break the law. My personal (I keep saying personal) idea is that they don’t have much on Trump hence they keep pushing the release back every month in hope of finding something anything to connect directly to Trump

If that makes me a trumpetard/dumb/accepting of lies etc. so be it I guess. I’m just words on a screen here, I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind

Mueller was specifically tasked with looking into the Trump Campaign and any 'links" or "coordination" with Russia aka, 'collusion'.

Trump for over year said that search was a witch hunt and no such collusion existed. He stated it over and over. That has morphed several times only once busted over it to where it is now 'well even if their was collusion it was not illegal'. Rudy started saying that before the Manafort Court filing leak which leads one to believe that Trump and Co, knew (likely thru acting AG Whittaker) that they had the goods on Manafort and Trump needed to change his defense.

So the question then is, is if in fact Manafort as the Campaign chair and the Campaign are found guilty of 'links' and 'coordination' with Russia under whatever charges they file that, are you still maintaining somehow that is not validation of the entire investigation? Can you see the Trump Campaign chair fall, his campaign fall and yet still suggest that is a win for Trump?

 

[MikeMcMann]

So by my understanding that polling data would be used to target certain groups to throw advertisements at them essentially? I’m still not sure if it was a Ukrainian guy or a Russian connection as the story had multiple re-writes and the source wasn’t clear. Manafort was also linked to the Ukrainian since 2005. Wasn’t Clinton’s campaign also “helped” by the same Ukrainians? Pretty sure I read that back in like 2017. That doesn’t excuse Manafort, one has to think though much easier ways to go about colluding and he’s rightfully going to the slammer, whether he takes Trump with him is yet to be determined.

I think if Trump goes down at all it will be for shenanigans regarding taxes and or real estate backdoor deals before he was president

I still find the whole idea of Russians needing to convince me to not vote for the person falling over and convulsing on live tv laughable. Personally I think Trump and his people lack the nuance required to successfully pull off something of this grandeur

Your understanding is incorrect.

Manafort and the Trump Campaign gave key internal polling data to the Russians. Information that is illegal to give to foreign nationals who have an intent to meddle in US elections.

What the Russians were doing with that data was correlation messaging (not advertising) in key voting districts that they thought Trump was either slightly behind or ahead and that could be swung in his favour.

How they did that was by looking, District by District what is important to those people using Facebook and other Social media data. YOu can see what they LIKE, and don't like. You can determine what political positions they agree with and which ones they don't. Which make them passionate and which they don't really care about. All by seeing what they like and comment on, on Facebook and other S.Media.

So for instance if you knew a community was mostly religious and against LGBTQ or Muslims they would get very specific targeted social media FEED information saying Trump was pro restricting LGBTQ and Muslims and HIlary was for them.

IF you went down the road and found a community was Pro those things they would get a FEED saying Trump was Pro and Hilary was against.

They would put Trump and Hilary on the opposite of the same issues simply based upon learning what THAT electorate wants to hear. And they used fear and anger as their main tools knowing that tends to get people to react the most.

They were targeting very specific and tight districts where a small amount of votes could make the difference.

 

[AlexDB9]

Your understanding is incorrect.

Manafort and the Trump Campaign gave key internal polling data to the Russians. Information that is illegal to give to foreign nationals who have an intent to meddle in US elections.

What the Russians were doing with that data was correlation messaging (not advertising) in key voting districts that they thought Trump was either slightly behind or ahead and that could be swung in his favour.

How they did that was by looking, District by District what is important to those people using Facebook and other Social media data. YOu can see what they LIKE, and don't like. You can determine what political positions they agree with and which ones they don't. Which make them passionate and which they don't really care about. All by seeing what they like and comment on, on Facebook and other S.Media.

So for instance if you knew a community was mostly religious and against LGBTQ or Muslims they would get very specific targeted social media FEED information saying Trump was pro restricting LGBTQ and Muslims and HIlary was for them.

IF you went down the road and found a community was Pro those things they would get a FEED saying Trump was Pro and Hilary was against.

They would put Trump and Hilary on the opposite of the same issues simply based upon learning what THAT electorate wants to hear. And they used fear and anger as their main tools knowing that tends to get people to react the most.

They were targeting very specific and tight districts where a small amount of votes could make the difference.

Right so what I read didn’t specify Russians but Ukrainians. Also the articles I read specifically said advertisements. The sources on this particular leaked info have been re-writen/retracted so what I’m only certain of is Manafort is in the shit. Said Ukrainians were in touch with Manafort since 2005 so were these tactics in place for the 2012 elections? Hillary also supposedly worked with the same Ukrainians to dig up ammo on Trump, were her people just more competent with their connections? These are the questions I ask myself

Like I said a couple pages back if Trump is proven to be a traitor then there it is. So far to me at least it looks like he surrounded himself with a bunch of incompetent and unsavory people trying to capitalize on his victory

 

[LangfordBarrow]

So by my understanding that polling data would be used to target certain groups to throw advertisements at them essentially? I’m still not sure if it was a Ukrainian guy or a Russian connection as the story had multiple re-writes and the source wasn’t clear. Manafort was also linked to the Ukrainian since 2005. Wasn’t Clinton’s campaign also “helped” by the same Ukrainians? Pretty sure I read that back in like 2017. That doesn’t excuse Manafort, one has to think though much easier ways to go about colluding and he’s rightfully going to the slammer, whether he takes Trump with him is yet to be determined.

I think if Trump goes down at all it will be for shenanigans regarding taxes and or real estate backdoor deals before he was president

I still find the whole idea of Russians needing to convince me to not vote for the person falling over and convulsing on live tv laughable. Personally I think Trump and his people lack the nuance required to successfully pull off something of this grandeur

Manafort's work in Ukraine was linked to Russia. He worked in basically the same capacity there, with the President Russia chose to advance their agenda, that he did here with Trump.

It sure looks like he was committing crimes before he became President and he should be held accountable. I don't think being elected should somehow get him amnesty.

I didn't vote for Hillary out of principle but I sure didn't expect Trump would win. Not that my vote made any difference since I live in NY. There were a lot of people on the fence in '16 so it's hard to believe it didn't sway anyone in swing states. As we can see from a lot of the evidence that's been made public I don't think Trump's team would have been able to pull something like this off. The Russians though are experts at it.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Right so what I read didn’t specify Russians but Ukrainians. Also the articles I read specifically said advertisements. The sources on this particular leaked info have been re-writen/retracted so what I’m only certain of is Manafort is in the shit. Said Ukrainians were in touch with Manafort since 2005 so were these tactics in place for the 2012 elections? Hillary also supposedly worked with the same Ukrainians to dig up ammo on Trump, were her people just more competent with their connections? These are the questions I ask myself

Like I said a couple pages back if Trump is proven to be a traitor then there it is. So far to me at least it looks like he surrounded himself with a bunch of incompetent and unsavory people trying to capitalize on his victory

You need to read more or try to ask more questions rather than offering what is proving to be, time and again a very uniformed opinion you have.

He was Russian Ukrainian who has known ties to the russian secret service whom he trained with and went to Russian spy school (university).

Your 'advertisements' is a gross Fox and Friends type simplification.

So yes Mueller has already tied the Trump campaign to collusion with Russia. Its in the Manafort filings. He gave them key internal polling data so they could target specific districts in an attempt to impact voting. That is a quid pro quo with a foreign adversarial gov't to gain benefit for the campaign which goes well beyond campaign finance law violations.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Right so what I read didn’t specify Russians but Ukrainians. Also the articles I read specifically said advertisements. The sources on this particular leaked info have been re-writen/retracted so what I’m only certain of is Manafort is in the shit. Said Ukrainians were in touch with Manafort since 2005 so were these tactics in place for the 2012 elections? Hillary also supposedly worked with the same Ukrainians to dig up ammo on Trump, were her people just more competent with their connections? These are the questions I ask myself

Like I said a couple pages back if Trump is proven to be a traitor then there it is. So far to me at least it looks like he surrounded himself with a bunch of incompetent and unsavory people trying to capitalize on his victory

Ukraine was part of the USSR and are referred to as "New Russia". Russia interfered in their elections to have have a puppet in power. The same Russian backed president that was ousted after winning a corrupted election then somehow once again came to power, and was moving the country away from the EU and into a bloc that Russia wanted to form, basically reconstructing the USSR. The people wanted nothing to do with it, and again protested to remove that President from power, initiating the invasion that lost them Crimea and their eastern industrial regions. Russia was forced to show their hand and that's the reason they are under sanctions to this day. They have done the same in Georgia and Moldovia<?> and it illustrates why linking Manafort to Ukraine in effect links him to Russia. If you have time to read up on the Orange Revolution and the Euromaidan Revolution it will probably clear up a lot.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I don’t give a single fuck about Prince, neither does the vast majority of the country.
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Oh and i am not so sure the rest of Trump supporters do not care about Prince and the other swamp monsters.


"With the American voter, it begins with a plan to end the rampant governmentt corruption and put the special interests out of business. We are going to do it. I understand it very well. (oh boy does he)

I want everyone in Washington to hear and heed the words that we all say together "If we win on November 8th we are going to drain the swamp in Washington DC (rousing cheers). We are draining the Swamp."




That seemed to be exactly one of the things voters were voting for him for along with Mexico paying for the wall. the draining of the swamp monsters seemed like a pretty important thing to them.

You are not now going to pretend they did not care if Mexico paid for it now, are you?