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Gagging for it (SCO Thread v. 29) Update Mueller Report Released
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Damn...went in hard.
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I wasnt expecting anything from his public testimony. This though is fucking brutal!
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He'd hire the same goon that threatened Stormy and her baby.
He probably also made a note of those Nigerian brothers from Empire as well as their cheap price per outing.
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There's a clear jealousy and racial aspect to his obama hate. Oh and lol at his sat scores being so trash he has threatened to sue if anyone releases.
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History is going to take a giant shit on the Trump administration.
We sure got a lot of dumbshits here susceptible to troll farm trolls.
Is that a mugshot? Looks like a white supremacist fucktard.
If he gets disbarred, he could get a job sucking Trump's little dick in between shifts from porn actresses and Playboy Playmates of the Year.
Can't wait for the History Channel and CNN TV specials.
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Just reading this objectively, I think a point needs to be made.
Several pro-Trump commentators have said that the opening statement evidences that Trump didn't direct Cohen to lie. That's ignoring the context. Cohen says that Trump didn't give him express instructions to lie and that's not how he operates. Let's assume he's telling the truth.
I don't understand how anyone would expect Trump to do something so dumb like that. No reasonable client would expressly instruct their lawyer to lie. You don't say, "Mr Attorney, I did it but please tell the court I didn't." You say it in the way Trump allegedly did - indirectly, hint-hint, with the "I take it you know what I mean" look.
On that basis, I don't think the buzzfeed report is wrong. On the other hand, I can understand why Mueller would "dispute" it - it's a technical point on whether what Trump communicated to Cohen constitute instructions to lie, or whether Cohen misinterpreted it and lied. Maybe Mueller doesn't think it's a strong basis for a case against Trump.
BUT if what Cohen says is true, then the intent is painfully obvious.
Several pro-Trump commentators have said that the opening statement evidences that Trump didn't direct Cohen to lie. That's ignoring the context. Cohen says that Trump didn't give him express instructions to lie and that's not how he operates. Let's assume he's telling the truth.
I don't understand how anyone would expect Trump to do something so dumb like that. No reasonable client would expressly instruct their lawyer to lie. You don't say, "Mr Attorney, I did it but please tell the court I didn't." You say it in the way Trump allegedly did - indirectly, hint-hint, with the "I take it you know what I mean" look.
On that basis, I don't think the buzzfeed report is wrong. On the other hand, I can understand why Mueller would "dispute" it - it's a technical point on whether what Trump communicated to Cohen constitute instructions to lie, or whether Cohen misinterpreted it and lied. Maybe Mueller doesn't think it's a strong basis for a case against Trump.
BUT if what Cohen says is true, then the intent is painfully obvious.
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There was a comment from rosentein that alludes to what would be needed to charge or even accuse someone(say trump) of a crime. I think they would need solid and no doubt type of evidence if the special counsel came after trump. even if Trump escapes any serious legal problems from the Russia stuff there's still the NY stuff that could fuck him up legally too. its not over. they might even charge him under seal till after he's done being president. congress could refer to the doj about a lot of the stuff Cohen says about trump.
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I'm not familiar with US criminal law but beyond a reasonable doubt is the typical benchmark a prosecution would have to meet in a criminal case in other non-US jurisdictions. So if it's the same, Rosenstein's last sentence is kinda stating the obvious.
The whole problem I have with Cohen is that his evidence is uncorroborated where it counts. He didn't take client meeting notes, he didn't record any of the racist remarks Trump allegedly made, he didn't discharge himself when asked to carry out instructions he found questionable etc.
Not to say Trump did/didn't do any of these things but it shows you the type of man/lawyer Cohen is/was.
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Having read the whole thing, the only part that I really believe Cohen 100% without evidence is that Trump never intended to win, at least at the start. He's struck me as a typical businessman, and is driven by the collection of trophies and winning everything, regardless of whether it's actually worth winning.
Ironically, winning the presidency put a greater spotlight on Trump than he wanted, hence his current legal troubles.
Ironically, winning the presidency put a greater spotlight on Trump than he wanted, hence his current legal troubles.
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I think the mob is smarter than this, lol.
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I don't I know nothing about that.
-- Oh! I was in the Olive Oil business with his father, but that was a long time ago.
I don't know nothing about no Godfather, I've got my own family, Senator.
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A Dui mugshot
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The Trumpbots are in full retreat right now waiting for Fox and others to give them their responses. lol.
Not that its any surprise but Trumps Wealth... A lie
Trumps intellect... A lie (not really as no one would believed it to begin with as we hear him speak and see what he writes.)
the biggest exposure from the Cohen statement I can see is his indicating Trump lied about his financial situation not to Forbes to get ranked higher but to Banks to get loans, such as in the Buffalo Bills attempted purchase. If you lie on Bank filings, that is a felony and a crime that is typically always prosecuted and it whether you end up getting the loan or not.
I am sure the Southern District and maybe others, are getting that Bank Application record and will be digging into it.
As many have said over and over (Dershowitz amongst them), Trump's business dealings, his University, his Campaign, his Charity all are the biggest risks he has. I bet they are all ripe with false statements filed to various agencies where those statements would be crimes if incorrect. Cohen will point in the direction and Alan Weisselberg will put the bow on it.
I heard it said on one show that Prosecutors consider it the gold standard if you can get an accused lawyer OR accountant to participate in a prosecution. Nothing more damning.
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He got a DUI, hence the mugshot
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