Free Tech-- Canopener Neck Crank Defense

[hayliks]

I've never used pressure points, but this brought up a memory about 1 1/2 years ago.

Ricardo Liborio showed us this pressure point kind of below/behind the lobe of the ear. You dig your thumb into it, and if you do it right and hit the correct spot, it hurts like a bitch. I don't really see how it would be useful, but it was interesting nonetheless. I almost totally forgot about it.

There some very subtle things you can do and use to break peoples' grips when they defend for particular techniques and submissions.

 

[Mikey Triangles]

Ho man, i said close minded, i will add elitist and eggo freak. BJJ is not the pinacle of grappling.

well eggo's are delicious, so you may be onto something there. I am far from close minded though. i train in several different forms of grappling alone. MMA is also my goal, I'm just not retarded about it

 

[_Glorfindel_]

well eggo's are delicious, so you may be onto something there. I am far from close minded though. i train in several different forms of grappling alone. MMA is also my goal, I'm just not retarded about it

So do you agree that in a mma context, tripoding can be very usefull?? There's not a lot of pure bjj gi sweep that work well when you can get puched in the face. It's the same thing about a lot of bjj gi techniques. You have to add everything you can to your game to be good. Catch had some very nice tech of their own from the clinch and some sick leg attack.

 

[Mikey Triangles]

So do you agree that in a mma context, tripoding can be very usefull?? There's not a lot of pure bjj gi sweep that work well when you can get puched in the face. It's the same thing about a lot of bjj gi techniques. You have to add everything you can to your game to be good. Catch had some very nice tech of their own from the clinch and some sick leg attack.

Let me just make sure we're on the same page here. you're referring to tripoding from inside the guard? there's a lot of positions in MMA that are great for MMA when striking is involved, but can only stall at absolute best in a grappling competition. please post a pic of the exact position you're speaking of before this goes any further.

 

[_Glorfindel_]

ı'm going to train too ;-)

When i get back i will post you a snap of the Barnett's instructional. If you can get your hand on Josh Barnett 'atacking the guard' instructional you will realy like it in mma context.

 

[JoelThomas]

Sherdog is just chock full of grappling heroes.

 

[Deloitte]

Hummmm...

Judo = specialisation in gi throw?? Dont you ever heard what newaza is??

Sambo specilisation in leg lock? Are you talking about combat sambo or regular sambo? Dont you know that you are not allowed to use closed guard in sambo? That's why there is a lot of leg attack.

Catch use most of the very same tech that you are using in bjj no-gi. plus a lots of legs attack, plus a lot of takedowns from clinch.

You think that tripod suck that munch? I can tell you that i dont get caught often when i'm tripoding. Maybe you didnt do it well?

You know the old adage that say : A Bjj BB who get hit a little bit in the face tend to became a blue belt very fast?

You realy think that Gracies made it up from ground?

You're the perfect example of a close minded Bjj guys . Bjj is not everything.

I'm doing both Bjj and Catch, in an mma context, are you?

And i'm the ignorant one??

Judo newaza, don't make me laugh.

 

[FLMikeATT]

There some very subtle things you can do and use to break peoples' grips when they defend for particular techniques and submissions.

Care to name a few?

I know some tricks to break the grip of the classic "clasp the arms" together armbar defense, and I know a few somewhat dirty tricks to exposing the neck and getting the choke from the back, but these are the only ones that really come to mind.

 

[PhillyD45]

Isn't this thread about the can opener?

Anyway, it is an old wrestling move. I don't remember what the heck it was for though.

Since I catch wrestle most of us were once wrestlers or still are. Every once in a while someone will catch me in one or I will catch a person in it.
If done right you will tap. Period. End of story. You will not scoot out and do this or that with your gaurd. If somebody that knows how to apply a can opener throws it on you, you will tap.

The right way to apply it is very much like a muay thai clinch. The tops of your forearms on your opponent's collar bone. Everyone teaches to use the ridge of your forearm and that is incorrect.

Now go to the dojo and apply it to your "friends"

 

[hayliks]

Care to name a few?

I know some tricks to break the grip of the classic "clasp the arms" together armbar defense, and I know a few somewhat dirty tricks to exposing the neck and getting the choke from the back, but these are the only ones that really come to mind.

When you have a deep kimura grip you can do a quick jab with your elbow then pull up, which will look like nothing more than jerking his elbow out in a tournament. Then there is also using a knuckle on the area between the thin and first finger knuckle to open a hand up. Also like you mentioned some good ones to open their neck for Rnc

 

[jasond]

When you have a deep kimura grip you can do a quick jab with your elbow then pull up, which will look like nothing more than jerking his elbow out in a tournament.

My first instructor did something similar when working kimuras. He wouldn't jab with it, but he'd grind the point of his elbow into your side.

 

[batman69]

lol!! A bunch of kid bullying!! lol!!

I'm not a child, i'm 36 years old. I'm training mma for a little more than 2 years. I came from karate back ground (yoseikan bb) I'm doing Bjj since the beginning, always no-gi and i'm doing catch for about 4 months with a master (Kris Iatskevich)It's funny to see how fast personal insults came in, i wonder who's the child here. Am i in the heavyweight forum or what?

Tripod suck and it's sweep city? Go tell Josh Barnett, he have a very nice instructional named 'Attacking the guard' you should take a look at it. But yeah, Barnett is just a dumb catch wrestler who doesnt like the whore position...

I should also explain to you that Catch Wrestling is kinda like being a BJJ white belt for the entirety of your career, you just get good at it

Ho man, i said close minded, i will add elitist and eggo freak. BJJ is not the pinacle of grappling.

For the pressure point part, you dont use them to submit, you use them to make your opponent move or make him uncomftable in a certain position and by the way break his position and maybe he will give you something to grab? Like i said here in Canada (Quebec) all the grappling comp. didnt allow neck crank, can opener and pressure points (except for the elbow to break closed guard) I will be curious to see how you react if i put my finger behind your years and push very hard when i'm stucking you from your whore position...

I dont mind having a good strong discussion about something, but personal insults and childish statements are not my cup of tea...

don't change it up now hoser, you said bjj, adcc and the canuck grappling circuit. so either admit you were full of shit or show me where it says that the ibjjf or adcc even cares about pressure points. yes you can get guys to move around by poking, prodding, and jabbing them with finger and elbows. but i'm betting that if i drive my bony elbow into just about anywhere it's not going to feel good, doesn't make it a "pressure point" attack, jut means i'm grinding my bony elbow into some part of you that you'd rather not have that happen to.

as far as the invite for eggo's i can't embide in such things as i am still a few pounds over my weight for the next tournament. thanks for the offer though.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Anybody a fan of the arms-crossed Indian-style, making a table with your arms on your forehead, as a means of crank defense?

 

[_Glorfindel_]

don't change it up now hoser, you said bjj, adcc and the canuck grappling circuit. so either admit you were full of shit or show me where it says that the ibjjf or adcc even cares about pressure points. yes you can get guys to move around by poking, prodding, and jabbing them with finger and elbows. but i'm betting that if i drive my bony elbow into just about anywhere it's not going to feel good, doesn't make it a "pressure point" attack, jut means i'm grinding my bony elbow into some part of you that you'd rather not have that happen to.

as far as the invite for eggo's i can't embide in such things as i am still a few pounds over my weight for the next tournament. thanks for the offer though.

Ok, here is the rules in Quebec for the SFL (submission fight league) and for the Tristar grappling championship. you knowm tristar gym, where GSP, Pat coter, David Loiseau and Jo goulet are training with the Btt canada guy (bresilian top team, with Fabio Hollanda)...

TECHNIQUES L

 

[Jimmy Cerra]

When you have a deep kimura grip you can do a quick jab with your elbow then pull up, which will look like nothing more than jerking his elbow out in a tournament. Then there is also using a knuckle on the area between the thin and first finger knuckle to open a hand up. Also like you mentioned some good ones to open their neck for Rnc

Those are good moves. I don't really consider them dirty, and I do them all the time too. The Kimura jab is an important detail for finishing it IMO. The knuckle hand open thing is just anatomy, and aikido uses something similar IIRC. I like using my knife hand to slide under the chin, then shaking the baby for opening up the RNC. Good moves.

 

[hayliks]

Those are good moves. I don't really consider them dirty, and I do them all the time too. The Kimura jab is an important detail for finishing it IMO. The knuckle hand open thing is just anatomy, and aikido uses something similar IIRC. I like using my knife hand to slide under the chin, then shaking the baby for opening up the RNC. Good moves.

I use my knife hand to go under my opponent's nose to open their chin for the rnc

 

[Delbjj]

I have a bad injury and am quick to tap when I feel cranked, and I have never tapped to a canopener

 

[Jimmy Cerra]

I use my knife hand to go under my opponent's nose to open their chin for the rnc

I use it to set up the hammerlock! :icon_twis

 

[TalkShowOnMute]

Nice Video.

 

[Amerikuracana]

The can opener is NOT a useless move, it is perfect for making someone miss a breath or two, and making someone gas is the best way to make them tap. and once you make somebody lose about ten breaths in two minutes or so, they are going to feel it big time.

I could tap the guy on top in this video with about three different neck cranks guarunteed.