Free Tech-- Canopener Neck Crank Defense

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  1. Delbjj

    Delbjj Green Belt

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    Here are a few options to defend the Can Opener Neck Crank from the Guard.

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  2. _Glorfindel_

    _Glorfindel_ MMA Coach

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    Hummmmm. The can opener on your vid is very slopy at least. It's more like he try to make you sit lol!! When i do a can opener, my elbows are close togeter and on your chest, so you cant sit, that's the point of cranking the neck. If the guys can sit, you're not doing it properly...
     
  3. Delbjj

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    yes you can, you just have to open your guard and scoot back......
     
  4. Deloitte

    Deloitte Blue Belt

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    You can easily sit from a neck crank. The question is, why are you neck cranking in the first place?
     
  5. hayliks

    hayliks Banned Banned

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    Actually if you apply the canopener correctly it is EXTREMELY difficult to sit up into it. The fist in the nose technique is far more effective for countering the canopener.
     
  6. _Glorfindel_

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    I use neck crank to open closed guard, that's the point of it. So if you open, i will pass, you will not sit...
     
  7. Deloitte

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    So once my guard is open, I'm going to be automatically passed? I can tell your BJJ is very technical, using the can opener to open the closed guard after all.
     
  8. Delbjj

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    Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize that i was speaking to the mAn. Your right, you would have passed.
     
  9. Jimmy Cerra

    Jimmy Cerra Amateur Fighter

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    I do know how to do a can opener correctly. I don't find it a very high percentage move against me. First thing is to relax. Being still or scared will make things worse. The fist-in-the-nose defense works (as does the "jab" fist-in-the-nose technique... lol). It also leads right into an armbar on the guy.

    I also like to just move his elbows away from my heart area. When you do a neck crank, the elbows should be close and over his heart/sternum area a little bit. I don't like to be directly over the sternum, which is why I like to go slightly to the left onto his heart. To counter, I just move his elbows further across to the side, setting up the armdrag armbar. In any case, disrupting his elbows' "base" is what makes it easy for me to counter it.

    So I guess the reason I don't like the can-opener is because it leads right into an armbar on most people. I think there are much more effective ways of opening someone's guard.
     
  10. hayliks

    hayliks Banned Banned

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    If you know what you're doing with a canopener you shouldn't be getting armbarred, but yeah in general it's a fairly useless technique and there are 100's of better ways to open somebody's guard.
     
  11. _Glorfindel_

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    Lol! Sorry it was just an exemple, i didnt know you were so sensitive (ego? )

    A well made can opener, made by a strong guy, is very very painfull. I think it's a 'power' move, not so technical but very effective. I'm doing both catch and bjj, and i love that move. I love pressure point too (not allowed in bjj and most of the grappling comp.)

    My point was just that in the video, the can opener is just dam to sloppy, and it was too easy to sit.

    You bjj guys are cracking me up!! ;-)
     
  12. SteMc

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    is it a viable dangerous thing? or is it like, one of those things that you can get used to with time, sort of like the lockdown pain?
     
  13. Deloitte

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    It's dangerous.
     
  14. _Glorfindel_

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    Any submission that involve cranking the neck is dangerous.
     
  15. Jimmy Cerra

    Jimmy Cerra Amateur Fighter

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    I started CSW before I started BJJ. It really isn't common in catch either - you guys overblow it.
     
  16. batman69

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    this is where guys like you crack me up, when you start talking that pressure point bullshit, and how it's illegal in bjj because it's so effective. there's no mention of pressure point at all on the ibjjf's website page of rules. i've never heard it mentioned at any of the rules meetings i've been to in tournaments outside of the ibjjf.
     
  17. _Glorfindel_

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    ?? Where did i said that pressure points are the end of the world, the absolute weapon?? You cant do it at ADCC, in most grappling tournament here in Canada, neck crank, can opener and pressur points are not allowed. Like i said it's the mix of everything that make you a better grappler.

    Just for curiosity, you're a bjj'er arent you? Did you ever try catch? Judo? Sambo? Or your like Gracies, saying that all a mma guys need to know is Gracie bjj?? lol!!!
     
  18. Deloitte

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    You are awful, go pass more guards after opening guards with your can opener.
     
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    Hands inside...make prayer position...move the hands off the body
     
  20. Delbjj

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    My ego is almost as big as my.....

    No seriously, I have never had my guard passed due to a can opener. If you want to put your hands our in someones guard be my guest.
     

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