Francis wont make a big bag even if he gets a fight with Fury or Wilder

[heavy_hands]

Someone who flies in private jets, buy 500k watches and can afford not to work for years…Means Francis already made more than enough money with the UFC and doesn’t need it anymore, just depends if he’s gonna keep this lifestyle and burn it quick or tone it down and live luxuriously but with the feet on the ground for the rest of his life.

he’ll be doing bare knuckle soon enough

 

[skylolow]

Boxing nobody, but well known in the MMA world. Much more of a household name than.... wait while I look it up on Google....

Robert Helenius

Nobody serious about boxing paid for Mayweather and McGregor, but they made obscene amounts of money. The premise that Francis can't make money, and more money, at that, outside of the UFC is nonsense.

I think what people are saying is many of these top HW's B side fighters they recently fought haven't really made bank unless the top guys fought the other better name value top guys. Francis isn't exactly a massive draw even in the MMA world. To think Francis could demand like 15 million or something in boxing is probably out of the ball park unless it ends up selling really well. He is probably a 4 to 8M guy in the right situation in the boxing world. Which is fine if he isn't about the money. But based on BKFC and Bellator he surely is asking for a lot of money.

 

[Ozze]

+20 million, three fight contract does not sound like a horrible trap contract to me.

Lets see if he has those same stipulations for the next organization he goes, I bet he wont care about universal health care and fighters union when (if) he does boxing.

20 million 3 fight contract? Didn't see these terms being talked about. I thought it was one of those 5-8 fight deals that would last 10 years.
You have a source for this info?

 

[Tyr XIII]

I think your post is for the most part valid, but if he fights and actually beats wilder his stock is through the fucken roof

 

[Chromosome47]

This new breed of sherdogger that watch people's pockets is the most pathetic breed yet. <45>

 

[Jstr]

20 million 3 fight contract? Didn't see these terms being talked about. I thought it was one of those 5-8 fight deals that would last 10 years.
You have a source for this info?

Francis himself stated that in a interview with Ariel.

 

[Jstr]

Way to steal The Weasel's content. I mean you regurgitate it word for word and dont even acknowledge that those are his thoughts/opinions and not your own? Im sure The Weasel would be flattered IF you would have credited him but you didnt you tried to look smart when ironically it just made you look dumb AF.

I had to google who the f is The Weasel. I found this MMA dude who actually is making same points that I am, you think we were the first ones to think this?

If anything maybe he stole it from my post, I never even heard of the dude but he for sure reads sherdog.

 

[wwkirk]

I had to google who the f is The Weasel. I found this MMA dude who actually is making same points that I am, you think we were the first ones to think this?

If anything maybe he stole it from my post, I never even heard of the dude but he for sure reads sherdog.

Yeah, your arguments are basic logic, and there are probably a lot of people thinking and saying similar things.
(I think the Weasel started tweeting along these lines at the beginning of the month, so not a copycat.)

 

[Kumason]

99% of who thinks Jones would beat Ngannou? Your idiot circle of friends?

Ngannou would smash Jones. Put the crack pipe down...NOW.

Sorry bro but you are in the 1%.

No he's not lol

1% ......35% ....Close enough right? TS not too great with numbers.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...laughing-jones-vs-ngannou-poll.4280709/page-3

 

[Jstr]

1% ......35% ....Close enough right? TS not too great with numbers.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...laughing-jones-vs-ngannou-poll.4280709/page-3

When you make a point, you have to generalize.

 

[mbeethoven]

I had to google who the f is The Weasel. I found this MMA dude who actually is making same points that I am, you think we were the first ones to think this?

If anything maybe he stole it from my post, I never even heard of the dude but he for sure reads sherdog.

WRONG. Way to double down bro. Your post was after The Weasel made his video. You cite very specific examples of things The Weasel said. You're a hack and a douche

 

[Genisys]

You people criticize the UFC and Dana for exploiting fighters and not paying them what they are worth then whenever a fighter stands up to the company you call them stupid and say they fucked up. I wonder if Francis and some of these fighters have managers and advisers that help them make sound business decisions.

 

[joeson]

I wonder how many posts there would be in this forum if UFC shills weren’t allowed?

 

[fzoid4454]

The premise that Francis is any kind of draw like McGregor is delusional. Francis isn't going to make anywhere close to what he lost be turning down the UFC. Francis is getting standard rate offers because that's what he is worth. No fight promotion anywhere has any interest in paying Francis as much as the UFC offered. Francis has no leverage. Francis brings nothing to the table. If Francis is lucky he could go beg Dana and maybe he'll get 2/3 of the previous offer.

Super duper. But no one said he's a draw like McGregor. The premise isn't that Francis can't draw enough to make McGregor money, the premise is that Francis can't draw enough to make a fraction of McGregor money.

But you kicked the shit out of that straw man.

 

[fzoid4454]

You people criticize the UFC and Dana for exploiting fighters and not paying them what they are worth then whenever a fighter stands up to the company you call them stupid and say they fucked up. I wonder if Francis and some of these fighters have managers and advisers that help them make sound business decisions.

"You people" - I'm pretty sure the ones arguing that no one can live without the UFC are, mostly, not the ones pointing out how badly the UFC screws the fighters.

 

[SuperNerd]

This new breed of sherdogger that watch people's pockets is the most pathetic breed yet. <45>

Prize fighting.

Money drives the sport.

You can be clueless and just enjoy the scraps. That's cool.

But for anyone who wants to understand the mechanics of the business, the movement of money and clout is significant.

 

[kalabula]

When Frank first was released from the ufc it seemed as though everyone was praising him. Now all the threads are about what a mistake he made.

 

[fzoid4454]

I think what people are saying is many of these top HW's B side fighters they recently fought haven't really made bank unless the top guys fought the other better name value top guys. Francis isn't exactly a massive draw even in the MMA world. To think Francis could demand like 15 million or something in boxing is probably out of the ball park unless it ends up selling really well. He is probably a 4 to 8M guy in the right situation in the boxing world. Which is fine if he isn't about the money. But based on BKFC and Bellator he surely is asking for a lot of money.

I don't think anyone is claiming that would be his baseline pay, but, certainly he could make that much with PPV percentage.

No UFC fighter going against a legit boxer, in boxing, has ever done anything but humiliate themselves, but MMA fans keep thinking that their favorite UFC KO artist can box with actual top notch boxers. That won't change. Francis can make, on a one-time circus freakshow that exposes the reality basis, $15M or more, with decent PPV numbers. And it's the MMA fans and casuals who will drive that.

 

[mmainvestigations]

Hear me out on here.

Everyday that goes by, his market value goes down. People were intrigued because he was the UFC Heavyweight champion, the baddest man on the planet. Now 99% think Jon would beaten him. Its also easy to point out that he got outstrucked by Gane.

Realistically there are two options, Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder, that Francis probably thinks will make him +10 million but I honestly thinks he is so wrong.

Boxing fans are pissed and fed up with Fury for fumbling the undisputed fight with Usyk. Imagine the outrage if he now annouces he will instead fight Ngannou. People wont care and will boycot it. Even if he gets the fight, if Fury wants 70% of the purse against Usyk who hold three championship belts, he will offer Ngannou way less. Chisora got 4 million and he is more of a household name than Ngannou.

Wilder on the other hand is not a draw by himself. His last PPV did 75k buys. He is adamant of getting his belts back so fight with Francis does absolutely nothing for him. Wilder also would take lion share of the purse which Im afraid even wont be that big.

Francis could have been a mega star by beating Jon but instead chose to make one of the biggest mistakes in the history of combat sport in my humble opinion.

Jones was not fighting Francis without $20+ M. Let's be real, that fight wasn't happening.

Francis can definitely sell a lot of PPVs in boxing. It's an intriguing matchup. HW UFC champ vs HW boxing champ. Boxing rules, MMA gloves. Technically the boxer can be KOd easily with those gloves. Francis has knocked out 260 lb guys before with glancing blows in those same gloves. It doesn't matter whether its Overeems head, Fury's head, or Wilders head: if Big Frank lands in those small gloves, you're going out or at least down.

So check yourself, he can still make a lot of money, his name is still worth a lot.

 

[mister piscadinha]

the people who thought he would make more than 10kk against fury are delusional, francis is not a draw

and after the sure embarrassment against fury, he would never get another boxing fight ever

should have taken the 8 mi per fight from the ufc, fight often, made bank