News *** Francis Ngannou Free Agency/Contract/Decision Making Discussion MEGA THREAD ***

[Bearknuckle]

Didnt chatri say francis didnt just want paydays but he also wanted a chair in the company or something ridiculous lol

 

[BigOlJeet]

Idk why the neckbeards on this site act like financial advisors, if they had the balls to get in the octagon they'd do it for a UFC hotdog brander.

 

[spinup]

Didnt chatri say francis didnt just want paydays but he also wanted a chair in the company or something ridiculous lol

A good chair cost a few hundred bucks, and up to 10 000$ for the fanciest ones. It's not that much to ask.

 

[Bearknuckle]

A good chair cost a few hundred bucks, and up to 10 000$ for the fanciest ones. It's not that much to ask.

 

[fzoid4454]

Twenty for what though? Highly doubt it was for one fight plus I’m guessing there were many qualifiers too. So no Dana isn’t wrong.

$20M guaranteed. Dana was offering an estimated $8M for Jones, probably with a lesser guarantee, and then two more undetermined fights, which people here claim translates into $24M guaranteed, which it isn't. Seems like the ONE offer is at least comparable, and it's $20M, again GUARANTEED, according to ONE, where people are saying no one is willing to offer him tens of millions, in any scenario.

 

[LetThemBleed]

Don't let all this nonsense distract you from the fact that Jon Jones waited 3 years to return just to avoid fighting Francis, the moment he left Jon was back and willing to fight anyone BUT Francis for the belt. And now the moment Ngannou is tied up in negotiations with PFL, Jones says him name knowing the fight can't happen now and he's safe. Jones is guilty here of perhaps the biggest duck of all time in MMA history, in terms of avoiding the fight fans wanted to see.

Does that timeline work though? Jones signed a new contract with the the UFC and agreed to fight Ngannou, Ngannou had an offer to fight Jones by all accounts, Ngannou and his team included by the way admit this, for 8 million for that fight alone, regardless of speculation about his pay for subsequent fights. Unless Frank made significantly more in his previous fights than what is widely reported it far and away would have been the biggest payday of his life, and he turned it down. Now instead he'll end up fighting it seems in PFL fighting a significantly lower calibre of opponent for what we can agree will surely be significantly less than 8 million hoping to attract the attention of a big name HW boxer between MMA fights. If you are accusing Jones of ducking don't you have to accuse Francis of the same thing? Clearly he was worried about the drop in pay should he lose to Jones.

 

[fzoid4454]

I wonder how many fights that was over? I'm thinking at least 5 but likely more like 8-10.


Also he had mad demands to be on the Board of Directors and set his opponents pay.

Doubt it was 8 - 10. In any case, as I said, the people here were claiming he couldn't command millions without Dana.

 

[fzoid4454]

For what? 40 fights over 15 years?

This is funny. Dana makes up an astronomical sum that he pulls out of his ass, people talk about like it was an offer on paper.

Francis walks away from a UFC contract for three fights, with the first one expected to earn $8M, not $8M guaranteed (as champ and the main event, they're going to be making a generous estimate on PPV numbers), and the next two undetermined, and people say he turned down $24M.

This is my entire point. Sherdoggers spin like political hacks after a presidential debate.

Could be 40 fights over 15 years. Could be one or two fights over a year. Interesting that you only look at one extreme in the spectrum.

 

[LetThemBleed]

Lol, I'd bet that Francis has made more money than you in the past 9 months. And I'm also going to bet his lifetime earnings will dwarf yours.

Granted, I don't know you and you may be worth 100s of millions of dollars. But I'm going to bet that you're on the 3rd floor of that glass house pelting rocks. Laugh away, rich guy. If Francis is lucky he might hit your stratosphere one day. I bet he's wishing that right now.

Amirite?

EDIT: Basic math. ONE claims to have offered him 20m that he turned down because he prefers his deal with PFL that is being finalized. Assuming it doesn't fall through, would you concede that PFL IS where the money is for Francis if he just turned down 20m for it?

Hint: this involves basic maths. Don't forget to carry the 5.

You seriously think PFL's offered him over 20 million? For what a 10-15 fight deal?

 

[xhaydenx]

Ngannou will be fine, Sherdog’s obsession with his finances is a bit weird. Likely he signs a boxing deal, makes 30 million for 1 fight which is more than he would have made in 5 fights for the UFC.

The only people he could get 30 million for fighting are the top guys, and none of them are ever going to fight him lol.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Ngannou will be fine, Sherdog’s obsession with his finances is a bit weird. Likely he signs a boxing deal, makes 30 million for 1 fight which is more than he would have made in 5 fights for the UFC.

I'm sure there are some people that fit this, but not very many. Most people just want to see him fight again. One of the reasons he's gotten such a large fanbase was because he used to fight a ton. Once he got the belt that all changed. Him accepting an amount is directly related to him getting back into action. I think it's more weird that you've perceived it the way you have

 

[Dbreiden83080]

MMA fans are so dumb and brain washed by Dana. You do realise the UFC is responsible for the non stop negative press regarding his negotiations? All because he turned them down.

Ita just unbelievable how dumb most of the world is

But they are acknowledging that it was right in that $8 million per fight range if he defeated Jones and kept winning. Obviously the pay-per-view buyer rates are an issue but he was at least going to make $8 million for the Jones fight. I’m not with the UFC on most fighter pay issues, however, I’m not a fan of somebody getting a massive guarantee every time they fight for a long contract either. It should be performance-based to a degree. You literally have players in major league baseball collecting $200 million that get injured and almost never take the field.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Does that timeline work though? Jones signed a new contract with the the UFC and agreed to fight Ngannou, Ngannou had an offer to fight Jones by all accounts, Ngannou and his team included by the way admit this, for 8 million for that fight alone, regardless of speculation about his pay for subsequent fights. Unless Frank made significantly more in his previous fights than what is widely reported it far and away would have been the biggest payday of his life, and he turned it down. Now instead he'll end up fighting it seems in PFL fighting a significantly lower calibre of opponent for what we can agree will surely be significantly less than 8 million hoping to attract the attention of a big name HW boxer between MMA fights. If you are accusing Jones of ducking don't you have to accuse Francis of the same thing? Clearly he was worried about the drop in pay should he lose to Jones.

As a lot of people correctly predicted, Francis greatly overplayed his hand on this. He deluded himself into thinking, some massive boxing payday was out there for him. That appears to have completely dried up. Tyson, and other boxers Don’t seem to be calling him out anymore. I think part of the appeal was him being the UFC heavyweight champion and that’s gone. Now he can’t close a deal with another fighting promotion that is claiming they’re willing to pay him $20 million. His head is in the clouds.

 

[orca]

anyone with a half brain knows the ufc pays the biggest especially if your a HW
guys like mark hunt gets paid alot of money even before
oh francis oh francis time is running

 

[DestinedAussie]

To sign any deal with any organisation at any price he want

This guy is so delusional

Remember when Fury said he want to do a boxing match with Ngannou, i think he just throw that randomly at a time when ngannou was hype and Ngannou believed it

How a guy who grew up in one of the poorest area in the world working in a sand mine as a kid can be so freaking picky about money after being rich already putting against him all the fighting organization in the world

Nobody want or can sign him now, he is completely disconnected from our world

Discuss

He might still sign with PFL. If that doesn't come good his in trouble IMO. He doesn't have any leverage for boxing fights to demand top dollar if he has no other options.

 

[roman510]

Ngannou will be fine, Sherdog’s obsession with his finances is a bit weird. Likely he signs a boxing deal, makes 30 million for 1 fight which is more than he would have made in 5 fights for the UFC.

Hi Francis,

you still think that? It's sad at this point.

The moment you left UFC Fury was already 1 year past that idea

 

[orca]

Maybe he doesn't really fucking care. You bring up working in a sand pit. Dude maybe he doesn't want to work for slime ball human beings anymore. Even if it's for less money and freedom.
Ever think about that? Sometimes people lead lives that hey, money ain't everything, specially if it means I'm not a slave like other idiots anymore.

lol who believes that?
kinda like a fairy tale story

 

[Luthien]

It’s not made for life for his tastes. He has a taste for designer watches. And generally when you like stuff like that you like/want other designer fashion items

The dude made a suit of pure gold Frank better get paid and soon

 

[orca]

lol dominant he is a poormans jds
lol prime jds was fearless and would knock anyone
prime nganou was scared and wont engage remember the lewis fight
his wins came from old fighers
do u even consider his win from cain a good one?
cain was literally crippled and on a long layoff

 

[Thick_Strong_Tight]

It’s not made for life for his tastes. He has a taste for designer watches. And generally when you like stuff like that you like/want other designer fashion items

In fairness; he does economize in some areas. Got his hair transplant done in Turkey