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Which MMA promotion/organization do you think Ngannou will sign with?

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MXZT said:
Very big announcement tomorrow, I wonder where he'll go.

Wherever he goes or whatever he does, I wish him the best.

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PFL, especially considering that some of their heavyweights just got cut from the current season due to drug test fails.
 
The question is who would you guys be excited to see him fight?

Any boxing fan would be like: "No, thanks. I'd rather Fury fight Usyk instead of this freakshow". And any MMA fans would be like: "Uhmm, who the fuck is Bruno Capelozza?"
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The truth is, wherever he goes, the fans have lost. Nothing is interesting for him outside the UFC.
 
Fury isn't signed to fight anyone, and doesn't seem interested in fighting any contenders. So I suspect that's the fight Francis is going to get.
 
I don't want to simp for the UFC here but after Francis became a free agent Bellator, ONE, and BKFC all went public saying they couldn't sign Francis. Seems like he's a little difficult to come to terms with. Interested in seeing what the announcement is.
 
mahavishnunj said:
Every single sentence of this couldn't be more wrong. Pretty impressive.
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Guess you didn't see the interview with Ngannou where he said if he wanted just money, he would have signed with the UFC. He said money is all they could offer. He wants health care for the fighters and to be treated like an employee - not an independent contractor. He's trying to change the game. Is money part of it? Sure but that's not the only thing.

The equivalency would be working for a plumping company, being forced to wear a uniform, not getting health care, only being allowed to work on certain customers and not being allowed to work on the side all the while calling you an "independent contractor". That's the UFC and that's a terrible gig. If you are a contractor, you should be able to do your job through the company and then once that job is done, you do anything else you want on the side. In this case box, get sponsors and do everything someone independent is allowed.
 
Senzo Tanaka said:
Guess you didn't see the interview with Ngannou where he said if he wanted just money, he would have signed with the UFC. He said money is all they could offer. He wants health care for the fighters and to be treated like an employee - not an independent contractor. He's trying to change the game. Is money part of it? Sure but that's not the only thing.
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You think when he signs with PFL or some other group that all fighters in PFL will get health care and unions and whatever unicorn fantasy nonsense he is promising? Francis will likely gain only one thing from the PFL over UFC. The ability to take boxing fights and MMA fights under one contract. But the UFC already has a deal in place for fighters where they can take BJJ matches, exhibitions, and with Conor a partnership for the Floyd fight.

They just don't want other fighters injuring themselves in boxing. Which is a standard clause for all sports leagues. If you play basketball you cannot play hockey or rugby in the off season and get injured without it voiding your contract. Yet MMA fighters should be allowed to just box and injure themselves when signed to an MMA promotion?

I would be shocked if anything that Francis hyped up like getting unions or health care or anything else was even on the table for one second during negotiations. It is all about getting a combined boxing and MMA contract and nothing more. A press conference tomorrow where he announces health care and unions and full time employment contracts would be a shock.
 
I hope he gets to fight fury. Fury beats him handily, but if he could land a shot, it could be over. Don’t think he has the gas to box for more than a few rounds though.
 
tramendous said:
You gotta take ufc offers with a grain of salt because if you lose, they can cut you or i think even lower your pay and thereby not have to pay you what you signed for.
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They can offer you less money when your contract is up, but I don't think they can just lower your pay if you lose and still have an active contract.

If they could that would be absolutely insane haha. Who the fuck would even sign with them?
 
tramendous said:
Because typically you sign a contract and the other side typically honors the terms. If the terms are actually "wins" instead of fights then they should say that to the public. Now if you want it so what the UFC does is normal, then the ngannou haters cant pretend hes turning away guaranteed money. They instead pretend he turned down some deal where the amount he'd get is set in stone. The UFC could even make him sign for lots of money multi-fight and then cut him after he loses 1 fight to jones and not have to pay him anything more and lowball him on new offers or they can shelf him and drag out his contract. If ngannou refuses these terms then UFC will say "he turned down our contract for X millions" and pretend whatever he would of signed for was set in stone. These contracts are extremely one sided and the UFC frequently leaves out key information about them and manipulates the public into discrediting those refuse them. Especially if said fighter wants to sign elsewhere. They are very petty.
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But ...
UFC fighters sign a contract.
1-2 fights later they complain about the contract, while they are still under contract and they signed it.
I remember Porier signing a new contract before he ever had a title shot. He was soooo happy about it.
Less than two years later he says he won't fight without a new deal.
He got one, said he was happy.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him do it again.
From the UFC's perspective, they have people under contract who have no intention of honoring WHAT they signed. Ok, so you've gonna say, but they fight for peanuts. Well, then don't sign ...

And as for exclusivity (no boxing), do you think a WWE employee can just show about at a competitor org and do a match?
When you sign for the Dolphins, you can't just show up for the Cowboys for one game.
 
Paul E Gensinger said:
But ...
UFC fighters sign a contract.
1-2 fights later they complain about the contract, while they are still under contract and they signed it.
I remember Porier signing a new contract before he ever had a title shot. He was soooo happy about it.
Less than two years later he says he won't fight without a new deal.
He got one, said he was happy.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him do it again.
From the UFC's perspective, they have people under contract who have no intention of honoring WHAT they signed. Ok, so you've gonna say, but they fight for peanuts. Well, then don't sign ...

And as for exclusivity (no boxing), do you think a WWE employee can just show about at a competitor org and do a match?
When you sign for the Dolphins, you can't just show up for the Cowboys for one game.
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I would do the same. Refusing a fight is not dishonoring the contract. A fighter could permanently say no to every fight that is offered to him and the UFC cannot do a thing to make them fight because this is not slavery. What the contracts say you cant do is fight for another promotion unless the UFC agrees or whatever concession you got out of them when you signed said contract i.e. boxing. The point was never 'allow everyone to go fight elsewhere in breach of their contract' but that fighting elsewhere in prizefighting is not unheard of and not unfair thing to ask for when negotiating a contract. In fact it was not always the case that fighters couldn't fight elsewhere while signed to an org. The exclusivity deals came later when the promotion got much more powerful than the fighters and could basically push them around. Lastly, the point was also that if a fighter does want to sign elsewhere and they are popular, they will start to discredit and attack the fighter through the media or try to make an example of them. Imagine if an English Premiere League player signed with a German league or expressed desire to do so and the English premiere league starts purposely putting out footage of that fighter doing badly and saying shit like 'he'll never play here again'
 
SG123 said:
He was barely doing above 200k PPVs as the champion in the UFC
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So half that at the PFL for the first fight out of UFC (which will likely be his most popular because of curiosity) seems like a reasonable target.
 
Senzo Tanaka said:
Guess you didn't see the interview with Ngannou where he said if he wanted just money, he would have signed with the UFC. He said money is all they could offer. He wants health care for the fighters and to be treated like an employee - not an independent contractor. He's trying to change the game. Is money part of it? Sure but that's not the only thing.

The equivalency would be working for a plumping company, being forced to wear a uniform, not getting health care, only being allowed to work on certain customers and not being allowed to work on the side all the while calling you an "independent contractor". That's the UFC and that's a terrible gig. If you are a contractor, you should be able to do your job through the company and then once that job is done, you do anything else you want on the side. In this case box, get sponsors and do everything someone independent is allowed.
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Lol..sure
 
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