Forum preservation thread

[Snubnoze707]

This forum needs more @anorak <3

 

[DastardlyMass]

I still can not find the post where the discussion went from how it is any harder to watch or find out info on a big mt fight card than a glory card to the problems that have driven people from the sport of muaythai over the years (which also should have no bearing considering we were discussing the modern day sports and not the past glory days of each). If anyone finds it please quote and repost as I'm completely lost now after reading over everything twice and still can't find where the discussion apparently changed for everyone but myself.

 

[Yodsanan]

I still can not find the post where the discussion went from how it is any harder to watch or find out info on a big mt fight card than a glory card to the problems that have driven people from the sport of muaythai over the years (which also should have no bearing considering we were discussing the modern day sports and not the past glory days of each). If anyone finds it please quote and repost as I'm completely lost now after reading over everything twice and still can't find where the discussion apparently changed for everyone but myself.

are you dense? the argument of why people stay away from muay thai is an overarching theme throughout this whole thread.

 

[DastardlyMass]

are you dense? the argument of why people stay away from muay thai is an overarching theme throughout this whole thread.

that was not the original discussion. That is what you all hijacked it into.

This whole discussion started because some of you were claiming it is easier to follow glory than mt because of access to information and ability to watch the fights not the scoring. It had nothing to do with the ease of understanding the Thai scoring system or how the sport has changed thru the years

 

[Snubnoze707]

that was not the original discussion. That is what you all hijacked it into.

This whole discussion started because some of you were claiming it is easier to follow glory than mt because of access to information and ability to watch the fights not the scoring. It had nothing to do with the ease of understanding the Thai scoring system or how the sport has changed thru the years

It had to do with all of the above and more.

The thread was made to separate the bullshit arguements of people not caring about Muay Thai or it not getting enough respect

 

[Kanka]

that was not the original discussion. That is what you all hijacked it into.

This whole discussion started because some of you were claiming it is easier to follow glory than mt because of access to information and ability to watch the fights not the scoring. It had nothing to do with the ease of understanding the Thai scoring system or how the sport has changed thru the years

The discussion about why stadium muay thai isn't more popular has been going on for ages before this thread and before Jtr made an account on here. That is what i was trying to explain all the time.

The reasons are many, but ease of understanding is one of many factors why it is (or was) losing popularity. Ease of understanding scoring IS part of ease ease of following. If one can spend all their life in muay thai and still have trouble understanding how officials score the fights, it's probably not very easy to understand and if it's not easy to understand, people are less likely to follow it. Those are just two factors among many others why other promotions may be more appealing to the average western fan than a raja/lumpinee show. Of course all the other things than Samart mentioned are also very relevant.

It is not as easy as just going to muaythai2000 as you were claiming.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Again marketing and communication. As Kanka rightly pointed out, most people are lazy and will go for what they can easily get or what comes to them.

There is no more marketing or communication, in the west, for the events I mentioned than there is for the stadiums. They aren't any more accessible, k1 is clearly less accessible.

I previously gave the example of the Russian MMA scene which is a great scene and has many top level fighters and cards, yet no mma journalists from the West follow that scene or post about it on combat sport websites.

The kind of people I'm talking about watch Russian MMA and every obscure combat sports event under the sun except stadium muay thai.

 

[DastardlyMass]

It had to do with all of the above and more.

The thread was made to separate the bullshit arguements of people not caring about Muay Thai or it not getting enough respect

that was like 3 weeks ago. the relevant discussion at hand started yesterday when tayski stated it is much easier to find glory cards and watch the fights than muaythai. Not that the scoring is easier to understand or that thais are abandoning the sport.

It is like everyone forgets kick boxers do not make even a quarter of what they made in k1's heyday or that they can't get a crowd a quarter the size they were once able to draw. But hey you can all use the exact same reason muaythai is dieing but somehow it does not apply to kickboxing

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

The reasons are many, but ease of understanding is one of many factors why it is (or was) losing popularity. Ease of understanding scoring IS part of ease ease of following. If one can spend all their life in muay thai and still have trouble understanding how officials score the fights, it's probably not very easy to understand and if it's not easy to understand, people are less likely to follow it. Those are just two factors among many others why other promotions may be more appealing to the average western fan than a raja/lumpinee show. Of course all the other things than Samart mentioned are also very relevant.

But this is about the perception of muay thai in the west. Muay thai hasn't lost popularity in the west, it was never popular to begin with. Most people in the west who are hardcore kickfighting fans haven't even given stadium muay thai a chance.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Only combat sport prctisioners, hard-core fans and people of Thailand. Back in Europe, I can guarantee no one I know who isn't a combat sport freak or martial arts prctisioner knows about Lumpini and raja.

Again look at the context. This is relative to the brand recognition of Glory, K1, Krush, etc. How many of the noncombat sports freaks know about them?

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

It's anecdotal, but it goes against your theory of the West not being educated about stadium muay thai while people who live here in Thailand and watch fights both on TV and casually don't know most of the fighters and have Buakaw or saenchai as their favourites. Clearly its not like the general Thai muay thai public is as educated about the sport and its fighters as you try to make us think.

Are Buakaw and Yodsanklai seen as the best muay thai fighters of all time or of their generation by people in thailand who actually follow the sport or by serious journalistic outlets? I doubt it. They are pretty much the only thais who are even brought up in the discussion.

 

[Kanka]

Am i the only one finding it odd that organisations hire people that specialize in marketing their products to specific demographics? After reading some posts in this forum one would think it's all unnecessary.

 

[Kanka]

But this is about the perception of muay thai in the west. Muay thai hasn't lost popularity in the west, it was never popular to begin with. Most people in the west who are hardcore kickfighting fans haven't even given stadium muay thai a chance.

If a promotion aimed at thai people is losing popularity among thais, for sure it's not going to gain big popularity among non-thais.

 

[DastardlyMass]

If a promotion aimed at thai people is losing popularity among thais, for sure it's not going to gain big popularity among non-thais.

well you all claim kickboxing/k1 was invented by the japanese and they have all abandoned that sport so how do you figure kickboxing is any different?

Max muaythai is getting 5 million tv viewers weekly in one country while glory can't get that many people to watch in the entire world combined. Glory with their biggest fight to date (rico vs badr) only got 8 or 900k views in the country it gets the strongest support in (the netherlands)

 

[Kanka]

well you all claim kickboxing/k1 was invented by the japanese and they have all abandoned that sport so how do you figure kickboxing is any different?

I don't claim anything like that first of all, and i don't even know how popular the current K-1 is outside of Japan i don't really follow that scene. Jtr is the one saying the K-1 stars are so popular.

I'm pretty sure they attract a different kind of audience than stadium muay thai though because of the way they market themselves.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Am i the only one finding it odd that organisations hire people that specialize in marketing their products to specific demographics? After reading some posts in this forum one would think it's all unnecessary.

The specific demographics that these products are aimed at aren't even the kind of people I'm talking about.

 

[Yodsanan]

that was not the original discussion. That is what you all hijacked it into.

you don't get this thread, do you?

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

I'm pretty sure they attract a different kind of audience than stadium muay thai though because of the way they market themselves.

Tell me how K1 has marketed themselves, to the guys on twitter I've been bashing, in a way that stadium promoters haven't?

 

[Kanka]

Why are you so obsessed with those guys on twitter? I could not care less about what a handful of guys do on twitter

Tell me how K1 has marketed themselves, to the guys on twitter I've been bashing, in a way that stadium promoters haven't?

 

[Yodsanan]

Max muaythai is getting 5 million tv viewers weekly in one country while glory can't get that many people to watch in the entire world combined. Glory with their biggest fight to date (rico vs badr) only got 8 or 900k views in the country it gets the strongest support in (the netherlands)

you got sources for that?