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The truth is they just can't compete with Takeru. His dazzling good looks far surpass all others.
 
DastardlyMass said:
he fights questionable competition and then gets lauded as the best in the world. You have guys like satanmuanglek who do exactly what he does only against top completion that are actual skilled and tested fighters but no one bothers to talk about him
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ok some ppl like justin bieber better than black metal, and trying to explain he's not an artists is a pure waste of time just like going after them non-stop because he got millions and black metal artists still need day jobs.

but nobody here thinks takeru is the best....much ado about nothing tbh.
 
DastardlyMass said:
thats where you are wrong! you can't find one top 10 ranking that does not have takeru no1
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official rankings have him number 1?i've never seen that...
as for personal ranking in this forums...i've never noticed that active users here had mentioned him as number one. anyway if it wasn't for kaew i wouldn't even know k1 japan was alive....so
 
oyvindt said:
official rankings have him number 1?i've never seen that...
as for personal ranking in this forums...i've never noticed that active users here had mentioned him as number one. anyway if it wasn't for kaew i wouldn't even know k1 japan was alive....so
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I meant websites like liver kick and combat press. You know the only places that actually put out rankings. Who the hell even makes personal rankings on this forum besides the forgotten legend razor bump?
 
I miss Bumpy. He was absurd and oblivious to the point where he became charming. Jaymuaythai has filled in admirably in his place.
 
DastardlyMass said:
I meant websites like liver kick and combat press. You know the only places that actually put out rankings. Who the hell even makes personal rankings on this forum besides the forgotten legend razor bump?
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for as long as i looked at combat i've never seen him on top..
in this forum there are plenty of threads that pop up with best fighter at 70,goat,best this,best that....
 
Hey doods! I can't remember the last time i posted here but what ever happened to that "boobs" ( . Y . ) character that claimed to have inside information regarding the K1 league? Does he still post around here?

Also, I love watching the Glory channel on the Pluto TV app on the Amazon Fire. I'm sure that app is available on most other tv devices. Its cool if you want to watch kickboxing 24/7!
 
jtwarwagon4life said:
I assume you mean stadium muay thai? Very salty. Stadium muay thai fighters are infinitely better combat sports athletes, there is infinitely more depth of talent, the fights are far better matched, we get to see all the best fighters fight one another, we get to see all the best fighters fight each other far more frequently, the fights are far better officiated, etc. etc. Stadium muay thai is a far more satisfying sport to follow, as a sport, than kickboxing or just about any "stand up" combat sport. And on a personal note, muay thai is far more aesthetically pleasing to watch. I don't see the beauty in kickboxing much of the time. Every once and a while you get a transcendental talent like Petrosyan, and it's nice that there is a combat sport to exhibit someone of his talents, but those guys are very few and far between.

I couldn't care less about international muay being overlooked relative to kickboxing. Unfortunately, international muay thai is far closer to getting the sort of shine that kickboxing gets than stadium muay thai.
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And yet the sport is ruined by the pace of the fights being dictated by the gambling and gamblrers. Why even bother having round 1 and 5? Why do fighters sometimes suddenly decide to coast for the rest of the fight? I don't see that shit in KB or MMA. Even Samart is disgusted by the current state of stadium Muay Thai.

I agree with you though, the stadium fighters are very skilled and very tough and there are often some crazy good fights but as explained to you many times before stadium muay thai is not being marketed for international audience.

We have to be fight geeks who look at the latest fights on YouTube with muay thai commentary sometimes without even the fighters' names written in western alphabet so impossible to read, and with the videos most of the times not showing all of the rounds because of the coasting especially in the first and last round. Sorry mate but try to sell that to a wider western audience, without some real marketing investment, production, proper TV coverage and western commentary it's never gonna be bigger than it is now.
 
jtwarwagon4life said:
99.99999999% of Thais who are "internationally famous" fight internationally.
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And funnily enough I've been in Thailand for a few weeks and all the Thai and Burmese muay thai fans I've talked to in Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Chiang rai, and koh pagnan when I asked who their favourite fighter is they usually say Buakaw or Saenchai 90% of the time, and those guys watch muay thai on TV all the time, go to the stadiums, and bet on the fights. And they don't really know anything about the western kickboxing scene.

So it seems 99% (that weird number you pulled out of your ass) of muay thai fighters who are famous in Thailand are fighting international.

This alone makes your whole point about the west ignoring thai fighters unless they are international a lot less valid. The majority of Thai people's favourite fighters are those Thai fighters fighting international and not the young stadium fighters.
 
In b4 Jtr comes back with another rant about takeru and how most of us here aren't real muay thai fans.

Only JT and Coca are real. Even realer than Samart, many other ex-fighters and fighters.

No but to be honest i don't see anything new being added to the discussion anymore, at this point we're just repeating ourselves over and over. Why don't we all agree to disagree about the current state of muay thai promotions. Even then our opinions don't even differ that much it's more the approach and attitude to it that differs.
 
Tayski said:
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samart also states in that video he has no clue what the scoring criteria is or how to tell his fighters to fight so he is not a great source of info on the topic
 
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Following the scene on a basic level is not hard at all, I understand if you don't know the 8th ranked flyweight or whatever but going to the muayties or muaythaidaily page and following siamfightnews is really not hard. I understand if the average mcgregor fan doesn't want to do that but if you're someone who stays up till odd hours to watch a K1 stream using a VPN then it can't be that hard to watch the big raja/lumpinee fights.
 
AbeRudder said:
Following the scene on a basic level is not hard at all, I understand if you don't know the 8th ranked flyweight or whatever but going to the muayties or muaythaidaily page and following siamfightnews is really not hard. I understand if the average mcgregor fan doesn't want to do that but if you're someone who stays up till odd hours to watch a K1 stream using a VPN then it can't be that hard to watch the big raja/lumpinee fights.
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Most live fights i watch nowaday are those those stadium fights that show up on my facebook feed, because i'm too busy with university to watch the entire cards all the time, but marketability is more than "not being hard to follow".

I have friends that ocasionally watch UFC but whenever i try to show them muay thai i can understand why it's not very popular in the west.

1. They tend to think round 1 is boring because often nothing really happens before the 3rd round.

2. They don't understand the scoring because it takes time to learn.

3. If they happened to like muay thai they would still not know how to get into the muay thai scene. If they googled they would probably find Saenchai, Buakaw, Yodsanklai and maybe a few more. This is part of the reason they're so famous. If the managers and promoters behind Panpayak, Saen, Pet U Thong, Superlek etc did market themselves towards an international audience, they would be easier to find to begin with. But they're not and even if they do find them, they're not going to understand the level of fighters they are.

4. Now if they do get into the muay that scene a little bit, there is still no single big organisation that is easy enough for them to follow. Most people are lazy as shit nowadays. If you think alot of people are willing to spend hundreds of hours to follow muay thai like we do, you're deluded. Glory provides fight cards once a month and is easier to stick with for the average guy.

Me personally i had already invested alot in muay thai before becoming what you would call "a real fan". If i hadn't spent time training 6 days a week, going to thailand to train, watching Kongsak, Petchboonchu, Phetmorakot and many more fight in Lumpinee, Raja & Omnoi and become good friends with fighters i would probably mostly be watching fights that are aimed to an international audience.

I still don't believe the anti thai bias for a second.
 
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you people act like glory has some huge tv deal and has advertisements all over the place. You can only find out a glory fight card on the internet which is the same damn place you can find any high level muaythai card. If you want to watch glory live you have to do it on the internet and if you want to watch the entire full show you must watch on the internet as the sfs is on fight pass which must paid for on top of that.

The only difference between the two products at this point is english commentary but because for some reason everyone glory uses refuses to do proper pre fight investigate work on the fighters they only give you info you can find in 30 seconds with a google search of the fighters name. Bazooka joe has been calling fights for them for like 2 years and still can not tell the audience what scores and what doesnt or how to even remotely score a bout. SO it is not like this english commentary they have is bringing much to the table
 
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DastardlyMass said:
you people act like glory has some huge tv deal and has advertisements all over the place. You can only find out a glory fight card on the internet which is the same damn place you can find any high level muaythai card. If you want to watch glory live you have to do it on the internet and if you want to watch the entire full show you must watch on the internet as the sfs is on fight pass which must paid for on top of that.

The only difference between the two products at this point is english commentary but because for some reason everyone glory uses refuses to do proper pre fight investigate work on the fighters they only give you info you can find in 30 seconds with a google search of the fighters name. Bazooka joe has been calling fights for them for like 2 years and still can not tell the audience what scores and what doesnt or how to even remotely score a bout. SO it is not like this english commentary they have is bringing much to the table
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Still requires less investment. Muay thai requires more time and more thinking. As i said, people are lazy.
 
Tayski said:
We have to be fight geeks who look at the latest fights on YouTube with muay thai commentary sometimes without even the fighters' names written in western alphabet so impossible to read, and with the videos most of the times not showing all of the rounds because of the coasting especially in the first and last round. Sorry mate but try to sell that to a wider western audience, without some real marketing investment, production, proper TV coverage and western commentary it's never gonna be bigger than it is now.
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Kanka said:
Still requires less investment. Muay thai requires more time and more thinking. As i said, people are lazy.
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People who are fight geeks don't even follow real muay thai either and neither do pretty much any kickfighting journalists or combat sports websites. But they somehow still manage to find a way to overcome all these obstacles when it's a random muay thai card in Japan or K1 or a kickboxing card in china or whatever.
 
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