For those who met Ken Shamrock...

[DoctorTaco]

if any of you noobs actually watched season 3 of tuf, he always seemed incredibly arrogant throughout the entire series.

I mean the guy made his team watch clips of him fighting.

reality TV editing can make anyone seem worse than they are IRL

 

[Royce's Gi]

Was he really a bad guy? I noticed every person who met him at an event t's that he was rude and disrespectful.

Was this due to him being an active UFC star or was it his personality?

Did anyone have a positive experience meet ing ken?

Seemed like a decent dude back in the 90s.

He offered to give me two black eyes when i was asking for an autograph so can't complain there.

Stand up bloke.

 

[Ogata]

what was his fighting record? And any footage of him fighting at all?

no disrespect to him but we’re talking about pioneers of mma fighting. In the us.

I posted the pic of his record but please check the date.

This was the fight that made it to sherdog record.

 

[Romo Gracie]

Seemed like an alright guy to me.

He offered to knock my hair black.

Whatever that means.

He works as a hairstylist/hairdresser now?

 

[TheIrishPsycho]

Did anyone have a positive experience meet ing ken?

Met him once a few years ago, fight was booked for two weeks later.

Guy needs to chill before his neck veins explode.

 

[chiefwiggum]

I posted the pic of his record but please check the date.

This was the fight that made it to sherdog record.



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I forgot about this fight. I give all respect to him and know about his history.
props to him. And old gem I forgot about. Thank you.

 

[Richard Fannin]

I have read the book and can confirm this. The book contains passage after passage describing his bronze tanned body with the beautiful chest of a greek god or something along those lines. Then later, it contains a quote of his girlfriend describing on why she finds his beautiful body so attractive.

Haha that's the one, he goes full "who was this rugged man with the over developed chest, moving more like an panther than a man?", it's glorious.

With the Funaki loss i'm pretty confident it actually was a work if you look at the time of the match. He previously lost to Gracie in just under a minute, and the Funaki match took place right before UFC 3, when they were expected to fight again. Since Ken was the King of Pancrase at that time my guess is they wanted him to lose the title in dominant fashion so the reputation of Pancrase would not be damaged if he lost to Gracie again in similar fashion. What's funny though is the claim that Funaki was not aware, because that raises the question about why he believes he would be told beforehand when he was going to win a one-sided work.

I might be mistaken when it comes to the "this guy knew, this guy didn't" part because I only read the book when a friend lent it to me, I didn't buy it... so this is all from memory.
I'm certain that he says that Bas wasn't aware that the Pancrase guys allegedly told Ken to go easy on him and make it last a bit, and he talks about how if he could do it again he wouldn't have thrown the Suzuki fights, but don't quote me on the Funaki ones...
Well, aside from the "all the fights I lost were worked" part.

I strongly doubt that. According to the people who were backstage at UFC 1 Ken didn't even bother watching Gracie fight and therefore wasn't aware he was a grappler. Since Gracie wore a gi, Ken thought he was some Karate bullshido guy. Kind of funny that right after his first fight against Pat Smith, he said in an interview that this tournament was much easier than Pancrase fights because the guys here don't know anything about submissions.

Yeah according to this latest bout, until the day of the fight, Ken thought that this UFC thing wasn't going to be a legit competition.

He also complains that the Gracie wouldn't allow him to wear his shoes in the first Royce fight, which threw him off his game and blabla.
And that the second fight was supposed to have no time limit, but it was changed 5 min before the fights in a "take it or leave it, and we declare Royce winner" kind of situation, like Ali pulled against Antonio Inoki when his team said "no grappling or no fight".

But that's just a small part of the book, which is too bad since it's the part that I was the most interested in ^^'

Oh well.

 

[Deleted member 359865]

lmao bro the fact that this man is a public figure, front facing high level executive in legitimate sports promotion/organization is absolutely hilarious. I ain't even mad at him either, plenty wish they can be so candid, but fighter relations and public relations from the UFC MUST change at some point lol this is not healthy at all.

Ken Shamrock: competes in first ever event, wins SuperFight championship, saves the UFC from the brink by agreeing to fight a prime Tito Ortiz while he hobbled in the octagon each time selling millions of PPVS.

UFC: Yeah you owe us some more money fucker!

 

[TSK]

It's a running joke. This has been posted multiple times randomly. It's awesome because it's full of totally weird details.

The loud yawn gets me every time.

 

[Arnold Palmer]

lmao bro the fact that this man is a public figure, front facing high level executive in legitimate sports promotion/organization is absolutely hilarious. I ain't even mad at him either, plenty wish they can be so candid, but fighter relations and public relations from the UFC MUST change at some point lol this is not healthy at all.

Ken Shamrock: competes in first ever event, wins SuperFight championship, saves the UFC from the brink by agreeing to fight a prime Tito Ortiz while he hobbled in the octagon each time selling millions of PPVS.

UFC: Yeah you owe us some more money fucker!

Didnt he get paid for his bouts ?

or are you saying UFC owes him ?

cause i believe thats what Dana was pissed about. That he went in on a false claim and lost !!

So Dana spent over 100,000 in court defending the claim and was awarded lawyer fee's when Ken lost.


He dont owe Ken anything in fact its the opposite. You lost all your brownie points when you left the UFC and bashed them and then brought false claims to court and lost

 

[CerebralKnievel]

if any of you noobs actually watched season 3 of tuf, he always seemed incredibly arrogant throughout the entire series.

I mean the guy made his team watch clips of him fighting.

The best was Ken demanding that his entire team invest significant time in things such as bench pressing. That entire season was pretty hilarious. Team dagger. Ed "Short Fuse" monotone.

 

[leatherf4ce]

Imagine if Ken Shamhocky would've been in the Renato interview instead of Frankie. A fight for sure because Ken takes himself way too serious.

 

[Deleted member 359865]

Didnt he get paid for his bouts ?

or are you saying UFC owes him ?

cause i believe thats what Dana was pissed about. That he went in on a false claim and lost !!

So Dana spent over 100,000 in court defending the claim and was awarded lawyer fee's when Ken lost.


He dont owe Ken anything in fact its the opposite. You lost all your brownie points when you left the UFC and bashed them and then brought false claims to court and lost

I'm not saying that the UFC owes him anything other than some professionalism and some respect. Fighters retire and come out of retirement all the time, I'm sure however the UFC denied him the additional fights they initially agreed to (pre-retirement) must have been harsh enough to drive Ken to sue. Plus, Ken has been cleared to compete by several commissions since then. Truth of the matter is Dana hates the Shamrocks and he always have, its a shame that why we cant even get two of the most influential mixed martial artists of all time in a video game. Only reason theyre in the HoF is because of the historical record. Dont even get me started on Randy Couture.

 

[Arnold Palmer]

I'm not saying that the UFC owes him anything other than some professionalism and some respect. Fighters retire and come out of retirement all the time, I'm sure however the UFC denied him the additional fighters they initially agreed to (pre-retirement) must have been harsh enough to drive Ken to sue. Plus, Ken has been cleared to compete by several commissions since then. Truth of the matter is Dana hates the Shamrocks and he always have, its a shame that why we cant even get two of the most influential mixed martial artists of all time in a video game. Only reason their in the HoF is because of the historical record. Dont even get me started on Randy Couture.

you claimed the public relationship wasnt healthy.

but yet Ken takes UFC to court and goes public bashing Dana and UFC.

you wanted Dana to sit quietly and take the high road ?

<Lmaoo>


yeah right

 

[mraa1]

The truth is the truth regardless of who delivers it.

Vale Tudo and combat sambo were in existence since the 1960s. Sambo is a hybrid system that took from judo and wrestling as well as incorporate stand up fighting.

Vale Tudo was muay thai and BJJ or muay thai and luta livre.

how much of that is true regarding sambo? I mean as far as incorporating stand up fighting? If anyone can find any competition footage that includes striking pre 90s I would be interested. Not casting doubt on what you say, I'm just curious.

As an aside, I know U.S. troops during WW2 had h2h training in wrestling and boxing but not sure just how much they were fused into a an actual system. I get the impression that each was trained separately with an emphasis on wrestling/grappling (of course this would be minimal for the vast majority of troops) I know this because Lou Thesz was a h2h trainer for the army during that time and Thesz would have been versed in submissions too since he did have a legit catch background, he wasn't just an amateur wrestler. I know the Fairbairn and Sykes system (Brit system incorporating judo, jujutsu, boxing wrestling, knife fighting among others)was adopted as well but I don't know how widespread it was. It might have been training reserved for a few special units.

 

[thebesteva21]

He used to be a customer of my moms company back in the late 90s. She knew him as a “WWE guy”, and said he was always nice to everyone. I never met him though

 

[machidafan99]

Posing for a photo with stranger or signing shit when you are getting groceries...eff that...thats work and why should he work FOR YOU for free. Im serious, i too would be like leave me alone unless it was a planned event

 

[Ogata]

I forgot about this fight. I give all respect to him and know about his history.
props to him. And old gem I forgot about. Thank you.

I want to say that I respect Ken shamrock and the shootfighting culture but sadly their community failed to sell their style due to Gracie jujitsu victory.

I feel that the person who sold the idea of hybrid fighting was fedor. He could strike and grapple. Frank Shamrock is the first American fighter who pulled of a winner by being well rounded but further to happen he had to go to Javier Mendez who is the founder of AKA.

If Ken did it right the lions den would be a relevant force in MMA

 

[HUGHPHUG]

I saw Ken Shamrock at a grocery store in Miami once. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

See, he's not all bad

 

[RonMachineGunJhun]

Was he really a bad guy? I noticed every person who met him at an event t's that he was rude and disrespectful.

Was this due to him being an active UFC star or was it his personality?

Did anyone have a positive experience meet ing ken?

Met Ken a few times over the years. Always a great braddah. Super positive and respectful especially when he was in Hawaii. If hes ever here again the door is always open.