For those who met Ken Shamrock...

[savemgs]

I've always thought Ken Shamrock was overrated while Frank was underrated.

Unfortunately Frank Shamrock will never get the credit he deserves because Dana hates him.

 

[gunlok]

I'm confused -- did this happen or did it not? It seems that this is a reference to some inside joke I'm not aware of based on replies in this thread.

Yes

 

[chiefwiggum]

Two squirts of piss, and the rest of your tuna casserole.

lol!

 

[Richard Fannin]

The name of the movie is garouden or something. I will post the scene if it's still up.
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Aaaah, of course, Garôden ^^
It's from Keisuke Itagaki, the author of Baki, but it's a completely different series.
There was indeed a 1995 live action adaptation, but it's been a long, loooong time since I've watched it...

Thanks for the explanation about your avatars, sadly I haven't read or watched World Strongest Disciple, but I've heard some good stuff!

About your current avatar, nice, gotta love Musashi (his Baki storyline was a lot of fun ^^)
One of my top 3 all time favorite manga is based on Musashi's life.
Vagabond, by Takehiko Inoue.

But my favorite manga has always been, and will most likely always been Berserk by Kentaro Miura;

I've been buying the manga for about 20 years now, and my right arm is now covered in Berserk-related ink yeah, yeah, I know... at least it's easy to strike conversations with fellow fans.

Sadly Berserk never got a quality anime to go with the amazing manga. I guess the original one from 1997 isn't that bad, but it only cover one arc, skips a bunch of very important moments.

Still better than the pathetic 2010 movie trilogy, or the even worse 2016/2017 seasons...
I don't get it, they have one of the best mangas ever and they can't seem to be able to adapt it without fucking up in major ways

When it comes to anime that aren't adapted from a manga, I guess my favorites would still be Cowboy Bebop/Samurai Champloo.
If I ever get anymore anime-related ink, it will be a hommage to Bebop; I'm curious to see what the live action show will look like...

Damn, I went off topic pretty badly, uh?
Mmmmmhhh, Ken Shamrock, Ken Shamrock....
Might as well link my boy Kiiyon Kimura's review of his career, he needs more views!


Kiiyon is a bit of a BJ Penn fanboy, but no one is perfect, eh? Give his videos a shot ^^

 

[Natural Order]

Not saying the man doesn't have some issues but that's some big talk coming from somebody not saying it to his face.
The man has supported his community for many decades at this point including programs to help keep teenagers off the streets and helping broken families. And that's not including all the things he and his adoptive brother Frank did with there stepfather before he died to help communities So maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge him as a human being.

True, probably over the top harsh there.

 

[ClosetVitorFan]

I saw Ken Shamrock at a grocery store in Miami once. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

Lol@ppl not knowing it's a copy pasta

 

[Dusty Rhodes]

It was very much like this...

(apparently these days he is nicer & more tolerable)

Lmao!

 

[silvasurfer5253]

Nice guy. Met him at a Golds Gym in Madison, WI around 1999. He was in town for a WWE event. I had watched all UFC fights and was a fan. I walked up to him and asked if he was Ken Shamrock.

He confirmed he was indeed Ken Shamrock. I stuttered out a few words, and when I froze up a bit, he extended his hand and shook mine. He seemed like a really nice guy.

 

[Ogata]

Aaaah, of course, Garôden ^^
It's from Keisuke Itagaki, the author of Baki, but it's a completely different series.
There was indeed a 1995 live action adaptation, but it's been a long, loooong time since I've watched it...

Thanks for the explanation about your avatars, sadly I haven't read or watched World Strongest Disciple, but I've heard some good stuff!

About your current avatar, nice, gotta love Musashi (his Baki storyline was a lot of fun ^^)
One of my top 3 all time favorite manga is based on Musashi's life.
Vagabond, by Takehiko Inoue.

But my favorite manga has always been, and will most likely always been Berserk by Kentaro Miura;

I've been buying the manga for about 20 years now, and my right arm is now covered in Berserk-related ink yeah, yeah, I know... at least it's easy to strike conversations with fellow fans.

Sadly Berserk never got a quality anime to go with the amazing manga. I guess the original one from 1997 isn't that bad, but it only cover one arc, skips a bunch of very important moments.

Still better than the pathetic 2010 movie trilogy, or the even worse 2016/2017 seasons...
I don't get it, they have one of the best mangas ever and they can't seem to be able to adapt it without fucking up in major ways

When it comes to anime that aren't adapted from a manga, I guess my favorites would still be Cowboy Bebop/Samurai Champloo.
If I ever get anymore anime-related ink, it will be a hommage to Bebop; I'm curious to see what the live action show will look like...

Damn, I went off topic pretty badly, uh?
Mmmmmhhh, Ken Shamrock, Ken Shamrock....
Might as well link my boy Kiiyon Kimura's review of his career, he needs more views!


Kiiyon is a bit of a BJ Penn fanboy, but no one is perfect, eh? Give his videos a shot ^^

Lol I actually derailed my own thread with the Ogata talk. Berserk is a show that one of my childhood best is friend is obbsessed with. I need to for sure catch up on Baki manga. I liked the idea of pickle but not sure what happened to him. He never fought Yujiro and I guess Musashi was resurrected through science and DNA.

With Kenichi: strongest disciple, its funny because the relevant characters are weaker than the supporting characters because they are teens but they are the ones who are the center of the story for most parts. Later on, the masters, grandmasters and two legendary master (one being my avatar) appear and become relevant in the series when you get in to the manga. Great show but the swordsmen in my avatar was created because the other legendary master is one of the good guys, so he exist to serve as a distraction and other than that, he only appears in 2 chapters.

However Ogata Isshinsai ( I am going to change back now) is the true boss! He was in the position of the main character until his twisted love for martial arts got him expelled. He was on his way to create an organization to combat a dark society but because his group was defeated by his former mentor ( who now mentor Kenichi) he end up...ok you got to start watching now. I can send a link if you want.

As far as Ken Shamrock goes, if he heard about people talking about anime, he would say things like "SEE! This is why society is going to SHIT! Its because we have bunch of sissies who rather dive in to some nonsense comic book and live their lives in some fantasy land! This is WHY I CANT run a gym because its EASIER to be some comic book dork!!"

I imagine him going on this type of rant all agitated like TUF.

Also, this is the scene in regards to Sambo:

 

[mraa1]

There is another MMA movie from the 90s that is based on a MMA manga. I think it takes place in baki universe.

In it they go to a sambo practice to learn chain submission and transition and throws.

Regarding the impact. Sambo was originally meant to be for the people. For protection of citizens and of course one the founders were accused of being Japanese spy and locked up and killed.

From there, sambo became more secretive and at the command of government and it was not meant to be shared . Ironically enough people started getting in to karate and other martial arts and the same folks that suppressed sambo got annoyed and they decided to promote the living shit out of sambo.

This was a bit ironic to say the least since they didn't want people to know sambo but then the idea of practicing a non USSR martial arts was seen as a bigger sin. From that point on, folks started experimenting with different moves and footwork.

Soviet boxing has similar footwork to taekwondo and in that time it was tang soo do which was known as karate. I believe they picked up moves from karate and incorporated into the their sporting culture of boxing and sambo.


Overall I would say that sambo is kind of like karate and kung fu in a sense of having sub styles and different origin points and different influence based on region. To conclude this, I once heard that judo revolves around human bodies adapting to technique while in sambo the techniques must adapt to human bodies. This results having room to pick and choose your moveset.



I now know that it's copy pasta but it was weird and oddly detailed.

that's actually incredibly interesting, especially about Soviet style boxing borrowing from Eastern Arts, I honestly had no clue. I am guessing that ended up influencing Cubans and their style of boxing as well. I have to say, the beginnings of Sambo sound like the plot of a 70s kung fu flick lol The government trying to stamp out widespread practice of it while flat out killing the founders and so the practice of the of the art goes underground.... That's a Shaw Bros movie in the making right there.

 

[Ogata]

that's actually incredibly interesting, especially about Soviet style boxing borrowing from Eastern Arts, I honestly had no clue. I am guessing that ended up influencing Cubans and their style of boxing as well. I have to say, the beginnings of Sambo sound like the plot of a 70s kung fu flick lol The government trying to stamp out widespread practice of it while flat out killing the founders and so the practice of the of the art goes underground.... That's a Shaw Bros movie in the making right there.

I found about all of this when I became a Ricardo Lopez fan. Ricardo is an undefeated boxing world champion with insane KO power. He had the perfect blend of offense and defense. He is known as a Nacho Bernstein fighter but before being trained by the famed Nacho, Ricardo trained by a guy who studied scientific methods and he learned the out-boxing style of USSR. Once the trainer passed away, Ricardo went to Nacho who is a master of technical infighting ( he trained Marquez and many others) and has a solid stable. With that, Ricardo had the soviet style on the outside, sideways long range, angled mid-range and squared up close range which is more Mexican style. So he would employ three different type of stances going from narrow stance to wide with occasional switch up to southpaw but as a way to evade or deliver power.

Its funny but it really does have a Kung Fu movie storyline. Luckily the sambo secrecy did not last long. From what I understand, in china, only the government gets to be the almighty force in their culture. But in Russia, they don't mind if they have powerful people because their belief is that powerful citizens still are a representative of the strength of their nation. In China, a powerful citizen is viewed as a threat. I maybe wrong but this is how I view and compare the two nation and cultural perspectives.


You are 100 percent correct on Cuban influence, they did have great influence on them but aside from the politics stuff, the sports world did have tons of respect and reverence for their USSR method of training the ideas they had. They believed in repetition over sparring and rough training. They made sure not to over train and developed recovery tactics. Flexibility was very important and they did movement training ( no touch butt) to keep the body supple.

 

[BodybagJohnny**]

I met Shamrock back stage at a WWE event around 2000 and got a picture taken with him. Pictures and autographs aren't my thing, but I was really into MMA and was pretty much star struck.

It was a brief interaction, but he was friendly and upbeat. He's the one who suggested the picture.

I think a lot of fighters have different faces depending on who they're interacting with. Some guys are cool to everyone. Some, like Matt Hughes, are dicks to everyone. Some are assholes to competition but nice to fans.

I think Shamrock is in the last category. If you're a threat to his ego then he's going to be a prick, but if you're an admirer then he'll be cool.