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What if he landed another punch and the large section of ripped lip came off.. could they have fixed ir
The perfect example of a knockdown is Khabib vs Conor. Clearly. Very different from the Overeem versus Rozenstriuk situation.I've got to know, because knockdowns happen literally all the time in fights and the fight goes on. Here's the sequence in question:
Yes, Overeem was wobbly getting up. Yes, his lip was badly damaged. Yes, Rosie would have probably finished the fight if he had followed up.
But he didn't.
I'm not in the "if he dies, he dies" camp by any stretch of the imagination, but plenty of fighters have been wobbled by a strike and then clinched or grappled or otherwise gave themselves time to recover. That's a part of fighting, and again, we see it all the time. We saw it on this very card in prior fights.
So, let's put aside all the what-ifs and get down to the basics. Those of you who defend the stoppage, what do you consider a knockdown, and when should the fight be stopped or left to continue?
EDIT: One more question to round things out. You often hear in commentary (especially Rogan's) about a fighter getting "rocked." But the fight goes on. So again, how is that different? For those saying a TKO is legitimate because a fighter is wobbly or not all there, should all fights be stopped as soon as someone is rocked? If not, where do you draw that line?
FUCKING BULLSHIT STOPPAGE .... no other way.
And in this case also an ultimate robbery.
Saying anything else makes you just look stupid
Watch your own clip. Dan is yelling at rozen to stop, then taps him away. Rozen didn’t walk away out of the kindness in his heart, he obeyed the ref instructions. If Dan not stopping that reem is taking serious shots, this isn't boxing where a ref gives a fighter 10 seconds, he indicated to stop and the fight ends.I've got to know, because knockdowns happen literally all the time in fights and the fight goes on. Here's the sequence in question:
Yes, Overeem was wobbly getting up. Yes, his lip was badly damaged. Yes, Rosie would have probably finished the fight if he had followed up.
But he didn't.
I'm not in the "if he dies, he dies"
The perfect example of a knockdown is Khabib vs Conor. Clearly. Very different from the Overeem versus Rozenstriuk situation.
Watch your own clip. Dan is yelling at rozen to stop, then taps him away. Rozen didn’t walk away out of the kindness in his heart, he obeyed the ref instructions. If Dan not stopping that reem is taking serious shots, this isn't boxing where a ref gives a fighter 10 seconds, he indicated to stop and the fight ends.
You're either ignorant or blind. He looked at dan who told him to stop. Not this fantasy you've created where he wants to hunt.He looks away before Dan was even reacting to it... he was trying to do a Mark Hunt walk away but failed. Maybe use a computer that can play the gif correctly not running Windows 95.
There's zero to debate here, the stoppage was textbook.
A knockdown would consist of a fighter going down while still somewhat in control of his body. Overeem was stiff and just collapsed. Cut and dry stoppage there.
This is a good still shows reem defenseless.Does this look like a fighter “intelligently defending himself”? View attachment 690101
Really? You've been watching the sport for at least a decade and THAT was the dumbest stoppage you've ever seen? You realize that they called it a KO and not a TKO right? If Overeem wasn't completely out for a second, then he was pretty close to it, not to mention the fact that his lip was flayed as well.Or we would have seen him walk off like he won then 4 seconds later lose the decision. Probably the dumbest stoppage ive ever seen. I would have understood if he stopped it immediately, but stopping it after overeem instantly gets up? Lol
His hands posted almost immediately and he was getting back to his feet. He didn't flop like a dead person and bounce his head off the canvas.It was when he started falling around Dan stopped it..
What’s the problem here
A- I'm being facetious with the 10-7 ( 10- 8 , though, hmmmmmm- )I imagine you could count the 10-7 rounds in the whole history of the UFC on one hand. You pretty much have to kill the guy to get a 10-7 round, and even then it's a toss-up.
His hands posted almost immediately and he was getting back to his feet. He didn't flop like a dead person and bounce his head off the canvas.
Yeah the shot hurt him, but how are you going to stop it saying he wasn't going to fight back if you didn't give him a chance to?
He was clearly still there, and no one can judge if he was able to fight back or not since he was never given that option. This is why you let the fight go, because you gotta give fighters a chance to stay in there.
I don't want to see anyone have permanent brain damage, but you guys are acting like 1 good shot and the fight is automatically over... Do you guys not believe in comebacks and allowing people to push through a difficult situation?
Yeah , the cat was exhausted the entire round ,hardly engaged and fell like a redwood( forget about a chunk of his upper lip landing in some gals cup of soda in the third row of arena ). I'm reading alot of these posts. As lot of " u dont know mma if...... ". This place , as usual, pure comedic gold.Reem wasn't given a chance to defend himself since fucktard miragliotta denied him that off a KNOCKDOWN, not a knockout...
He also fucked up in the Struve fight, doesn't surprise me either. He's a shitty ref, get rid of him.
Watch your own clip. Dan is yelling at rozen to stop, then taps him away. Rozen didn’t walk away out of the kindness in his heart, he obeyed the ref instructions. If Dan not stopping that reem is taking serious shots, this isn't boxing where a ref gives a fighter 10 seconds, he indicated to stop and the fight ends.
Does this look like a fighter “intelligently defending himself”? View attachment 690101
Not remotely required, his face is split up to his nose and tissue went flying. If an eyeball comes out or as we've seen in the past, a bone is broken, it isn't required to confer with the ringside physician. The fight is stopped immediately. This is common sense.
Overeem was rushed out of the Octagon instead of waiting through announcements because he was having a medical emergency.
You will forget about this fight by next week and Reem will deal with it for the rest of his life. His face is mutilated and it was in danger of further permanent, irreversible damage if he was hit again. You have to be completely out of your mind to think he could sustain another punch to his face.
You and I are talking past each other.
1. The ref did not see the wound, and it played no role in the stoppage.
2. The fighter was in no danger of further damage because his opponent had walked away.