Elections For Canadians (and sure, Americans and others can chime in): Is this a good reason to vote Liberal in the upcoming Canada election?

ColemanwastheGOAT said:
Yeah. After Kamala stomped Trump just like the media and polls predicted, I lost hope.
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Yes.

Doesn't change the fact that Poilievre went from a landslide victory to now wondering if he'll win or not.

It's now a close race for both parties and that was my point. Poilievre's slogans and axe the tax isn't gonna cut it anymore, Trudeau is long gone at this point and evidently Trump changed things big time in favor for the Liberal Party.
 
conservatives would have probably won the next canadian election until donald trump came along with his imperialist fascist rhetoric and united canada. now they are fair dinkum fucked. they know it. the country knows it. that's why the liberals wasted no time calling for a snap election soon after the new prime minister was sworn in. they want more seats and with the discontent with the hostile neighbour fresh on everybodies mind there's no better time to take advantage of it.

pretty sure that's the basis for it, rather than just waiting until november to run the election on schedule.
 
Seano said:
If Canada votes liberal after whats happened to their country over the past decade, they deserve what they get.
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The options are very thin. Poilievre is not the answer. Carney is the best choice out there imo. He's not amazing, but he's better than Poilievre.
 
Damien Karras said:
No matter what anyone says right now, CBC poll tracker has a 75% of the Liberals winning a majority.

I remember @HereticBD telling me there was NO way the Liberals could win this election. I wonder what he thinks now.

To answer the OP, I do like that Carney came out looking like a statesman, and, in the very least, didn't seem to inflame an already tense situation. I think he has the control and temperance to deal with Trump, appeal to his ego in some way, and convince Canadians that he will fight for their best interest on the world stage.

Meanwhile Poilievre and the CPC are having some infighting issues. That's not good for week 2 of a 6 week election
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Well prior to Carney I would say he was right. If the Liberals win it would be the greatest achievement of Trudeau's career.
 
Canadian debates are very back and forth and open discussion. I wonder how Carney will do.
 
therealdope said:
Canadian debates are very back and forth and open discussion. I wonder how Carney will do.
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The debate will be interesting, no doubt. Poillevre is the "attack dog"; in theory he should be very good in this type of setting.

On the other hand, Carney has the massive edge in real world experience, business, education and (It would appear to me) intellect.

PP is going to need an other worldly debate performance to turn the tide. I personally think he is done and the very best he can hope for is an LPC minority, but I could be wrong. Let's see how it plays out.
 
idrankyourbeer said:
conservatives would have probably won the next canadian election until donald trump came along with his imperialist fascist rhetoric and united canada. now they are fair dinkum fucked. they know it. the country knows it. that's why the liberals wasted no time calling for a snap election soon after the new prime minister was sworn in. they want more seats and with the discontent with the hostile neighbour fresh on everybodies mind there's no better time to take advantage of it.

pretty sure that's the basis for it, rather than just waiting until november to run the election on schedule.
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Canada is very far from united and a liberal re-election will ensure we stay divided. It's old stock Liberals, government workers and single city folk vs the rest of Canada. The working class and young vote is going to Poilievre you know, cause they want some more of their money and maybe own a home before they die. He has multiple huge trades unions behind him (not holding my breath for public sector union support lol).

Carney is a globalist and environmentalist on another level than Trudeau. The only good things he's done is enact Conservative policies. Do you trust he'll keep them?

That's like poilievre campaigning on huge spending commitments and the budget balancing itself.

Canadians are so obsessed with Trump they are missing the opportunity to make change in Canada, which is 9 years overdue.

If Poilievre is such a bad choice and in experienced why was he the only person in government predicting inflation related to COVID spending. All Liberals and the governor of the bank of Canada predicted deflation.
 
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Blunderbuss said:
I had a hunch Trump would like him just based on his money background. Trump's opinions change on a daily basis but the fact he called him Prime Minister is quite telling of what Trump thinks of him
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Trump usually bases his opinions of people on them saying something nice about him or something bad about someone he dislikes. Money is a secondary consideration.
 
jimjamjammer said:
Well prior to Carney I would say he was right. If the Liberals win it would be the greatest achievement of Trudeau's career.
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This was well after Trudeau dropped out and Carney was the likely candidate to win leadership.

I had maintained up until that point that I still thought the conservatives were going to win, but I wasn't sure between a minority or a majority government. I also said lots can happen between then and the election, and we have seen wild things happen in politics. @HereticBD was dismissive saying there was no chance in hell the Liberals would mount a comeback.
 
HereticBD said:
You can't fix stupid, is what I think now.

That said, I think Carney at least presents well. He's "Boring Politician Man", and he might be what is needed in these times of rabid division, rather than tit for tat extremes. I'm willing to give him a chance(if he wins), and can only pray that the Liberals have learned their lesson, and will become a more moderate party, instead of leaning into hard left nonsense, and actually giving a shit about how much they spend on their pet projects.

I've also been speaking to some other like minded people, and I'm not liking the whining I'm hearing about the Liberals "stealing" the election by having Trudeau step down and calling an early election(which is what they've been begging for for years). It is what it is, and you gotta deal with it. I think Pierre practically going radio silent when Trump was doing his thing, was a huge misstep and made him fade into the background. I also think "fatigue" goes both ways(it feels like PP has been running for a decade), and that might've hurt him all the same as it did Trudeau.

All in all, it's time to just sort this shit out. We're all fucked up over here. It's time to have an actual leader of our fucking country, regardless of who it is. Throw the hammer down already. This is not sustainable.
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I respect this response
 
It is so sad and pathetic how many people think Carney is the answer because he is stealing conservative policies. You are a blind FOOL if you actually believe they will enact these policies, this is the party that has failed on nearly every campaign promise they have ever made during the last ten years.

But conservatives who actually will enact these policies are untouchable... because conservatives bad. The disconnect between realizing these policies are what we need to fix our country but still holding onto the idea that conservative ideas are evil his hilarious.
 
Lycandroid said:
It is so sad and pathetic how many people think Carney is the answer because he is stealing conservative policies. You are a blind FOOL if you actually believe they will enact these policies, this is the party that has failed on nearly every campaign promise they have ever made during the last ten years.

But conservatives who actually will enact these policies are untouchable... because conservatives bad. The disconnect between realizing these policies are what we need to fix our country but still holding onto the idea that conservative ideas are evil his hilarious.
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Liberals have historically oscillated between left-of-center and right-of-center governance. Carney is promising to usher in a new right of center agenda reminiscent of the Chretien-Martin era, which is landing with voters.

Poilievre and the Conservatives will try to remind Canadians of the last 10 years, but Trump's attacks on Canada are obfuscating that message. Affordability is still the number one issue for voters, but within that issue are the Trump tariffs causing an existential threat to our economy. Canadians are, so far, favoring the guy with the strong background in economics (Harvard and Oxford graduate, former head of TWO countries' national banks, former top economist of Goldman Sachs) over the guy whose only professional jobs outside of politics are being a landlord, being a newspaper delivery boy, and who worked briefly as a cell phone company call center agent. Oh, and this guy quacks the same way Trump does in many respects.
 
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