Elections For Canadians (and sure, Americans and others can chime in): Is this a good reason to vote Liberal in the upcoming Canada election?

[Andy Capp]

I clicked your link and it brought me to a story about the nippissing PC candidate stepping down. I didn't see anything about the candidate that was FIRED by PP for his heinous comments.

Did I miss that part of the article or did you link the wrong article? Honestly I was not referring to the Trudeau hanging one. I was referring g to the stepping down of the lady from nippissing.

Even still, PP fired his candidate. Zero support. That is the right move.

Services created with printed $ must be cut. I support it 100%. Fire all of the 40% federal employee increase added under Trudeau. Eliminate the beuracracy, don't need that revenue. Balance this shitshow ASAP.

Righto, provided the wrong link. I was in a hurry. Here you go,

Conservative candidate booted after CTV News uncovers audio of joke about Justin Trudeau and the death penalty

A Conservative candidate who once voiced his support for 'public hangings' – even joking that former prime minister Justin Trudeau should receive the death penalty – will no longer be running to represent the party after CTV News first obtained audio of his comments.

www.ctvnews.ca

Re: the last paragraph, so how do you feel about little pp wanting to cut taxes? You skipped that question. Do you think that will lead to a balanced budget?

 

[rikibobby]

Righto, provided the wrong link. I was in a hurry. Here you go,

Conservative candidate booted after CTV News uncovers audio of joke about Justin Trudeau and the death penalty

A Conservative candidate who once voiced his support for 'public hangings' – even joking that former prime minister Justin Trudeau should receive the death penalty – will no longer be running to represent the party after CTV News first obtained audio of his comments.

www.ctvnews.ca

Re: the last paragraph, so how do you feel about little pp wanting to cut taxes? You skipped that question. Do you think that will lead to a balanced budget?

A balanced budget is nowhere in sight, even for conservatives. Affordability trump's it. Eliminate waste the best you can and leave more of my money in my pocket to spend it as I see fit. Economy will bounce back.

The reckless spending with printed money got us into a huge mess. Taking more $ from cash-strapped citizens will not help. But there is always another tax to impose when you are liberal.

Gas went down $0.20/L today in my neck of the woods. That is a fuckton of $ they have been collecting over the past 7 years. I haven't elreceived a single federal service improvement over that time. Just increased income tax, EI and CPP contributions, a strike at Canada Post at x-mas and big passport approving issues. Add the capital gains increase and it's like where the fuck were they spending the huge increase in revenue? Oh yeah, creating more government we don't need.

 

[Lycandroid]

You sure as fuck don't fix a deficit with huge tax cuts. I have no issue with letting poor seniors earn money without paying tax--the loss of tax revenue would be insignificant, but rich boomers don't need it, so it should be targeted only at people who do. Further, a blanket 15% cut helps the richest people the most and, wait for it, lemme do the math here, that's an instant 15% reduction in government revenue. Do you think a country with a budget deficit and GDP growth stalled by American tariffs can afford that?

Honest to Jesus, you poor soul; did your mother drop you on your head?

You do realize a 15% cut on income tax does not equal a 15% cut in government revenue ? Not even close. Do you think personal income tax is 100% of government revenue ?

If the same party that wants these cuts is elected they won't be working with reckless budget deficits to begin with.

Tariffs could be ended right away if the cons get it, they will end as soon as the election is over regardless of who wins. This is a manufactured crisis to boost the Liberal to victory. As soon as the election is over Carney and Trump will work out a deal as they could have done this whole time.

Also rich boomers as you put it have been polling overwhelmingly for Carney, why do you think that is ?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Lol Carney is literally running on tax cuts and spending cuts. Yet canadian leftists are lapping it up as if it was their soy beverage of choice

 

[Ares Black]

Lol Carney is literally running on tax cuts and spending cuts. Yet canadian leftists are lapping it up as if it was their soy beverage of choice

We aren't happy about it but he's a lot better than the alternative.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

We aren't happy about it but he's a lot better than the alternative.

Cool, thanks for the tax cuts and spending cuts and giving the NDP back bencher status. Trifecta of fiscal conservative wants.

No matter the turn out, there's 100% chance of social spending cuts, top end tax cuts and a bigger shift to privatization / coperation centric governance. All while the federal lefist parliamentary voice gets completely neutered.

That's a win

 

[Lycandroid]

It is hilarious watching people backing Carney for reasons that a year ago were "alt right extremist talking points"

Also if tax cuts are the reason you vote Carney instead of Pierre... the conservative cuts are much more substantial.

Why would anyone trust Liberals to enact conservative policies they demonized for a decade ?

Why would anyone trust the Liberals to live up to their own promises ?

• Promised to balance the budget
• Promised Electoral reform
• Promised affordable housing but the cost of a home has nearly doubled.
• Promised clean drinking water but 32 long-term drinking water advisories are still in effect in 28 communities.
• Promised that every Canadian would have access to a family doctor – 6 million Canadians still don’t.
• Promised to stand up for public health care, then praised Doug Ford’s privatization as innovation.
• Promised a $4.5 billion mental health transfer. They now appear to have abandoned that pledge.
• Promised to plant 2 billion trees over 10 years. Only 2.3 per cent of the trees have been planted in the first two years.
• save $1,000 per year on cell phone plans. It’s been two years and families are still waiting.
• Empower the Financial Consumer Agency of Canada (FCAC) to “review the prices charged by banks and impose changes if they are excessive” (including reviewing interest rates, as Australia did in 2017).
• Require financial institutions to offer options to delay consumer debt payments when needed.
• Review closing tax loopholes to prevent banks and other financial institutions from pretending to make their money in low-tax countries in order to lower the taxes they pay in Canada.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

It is so sad and pathetic how many people think Carney is the answer because he is stealing conservative policies.

The sad and pathetic thing is how irrelevant the people actually running in the election seem to be.

So far, this Canadian election has been all about Trump.

Canadians' collective little brother syndrome is so fucking embarassing.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

So it's a lose/lose situation for most Canadians?

Genuine question.

Seems like an American elections where we get to choose between a turd sandwich and rotten tampon.

At least American elections are about your own country. The Canadian election is all about Trump and Elon Fucking Musk.

It's humiliating.

 

[ermac88]

Im not as knowledgeable of Canadian politics as I should be.

But from some of my Quebec colleagues-

Fundamentally looks like a step back for many people.

 

[Lycandroid]

Im not as knowledgeable of Canadian politics as I should be.

But from some of my Quebec colleagues-

Fundamentally looks like a step back for many people.

the government that doubled housings costs has no right to attack anyone over affordable housing, the affordable housing that the government built during this period turned out to be more expensive than what the private sector provides.

If the liberals didn't flush they economy down the toilet there wouldn't be such a demand for these social services, social services we can't pay for because the Liberals flushed the economy down the toilet.

 

[The Servant]

Im not as knowledgeable of Canadian politics as I should be.

But from some of my Quebec colleagues-

Fundamentally looks like a step back for many people.

Damn, why did he vote against childcare

 

[ermac88]

the government that doubled housings costs has no right to attack anyone over affordable housing, the affordable housing that the government built during this period turned out to be more expensive than what the private sector provides.

If the liberals didn't flush they economy down the toilet there wouldn't be such a demand for these social services, social services we can't pay for because the Liberals flushed the economy down the toilet.

This specific infographic wasnt from elected government.

its Polivierres voting history, presented by Greenpeace

Pierre Poilievre's Voting Record and the Politics of Exclusion

This is not just a political position. It’s an erasure of truth. And it’s part of a larger pattern. When Bernie Sanders tells people to “Listen not to what they say, watch what they do,” that applies here, too. So let’s take a look at Pierre’s record, shall we?

www.greenpeace.org

So you are also opposed to the social services he voted against?

 

[Lycandroid]

This specific infographic wasnt from elected government.

its Polivierres voting history, presented by Greenpeace

Pierre Poilievre's Voting Record and the Politics of Exclusion

This is not just a political position. It’s an erasure of truth. And it’s part of a larger pattern. When Bernie Sanders tells people to “Listen not to what they say, watch what they do,” that applies here, too. So let’s take a look at Pierre’s record, shall we?

www.greenpeace.org

So you are also opposed to the social services he voted against?

It's a fools argument to simply say someone voted against this or that without knowing the context of the bill. I could put forth a bill that forcibly gives ermac88 AIDS but name it the bill to cure cancer and then when you vote against it I get to claim you voted against curing cancer.

Since I don't feel like typing it out all over again I will copy and paste my response to why some of these arent what you think, from previously in other thread.

Raising minimum wage would dire economic consequences especially since that is what many of these new Canadians are making

• Pierre Poilievre voted against the First Home Savings Account program - TRUE

He is running on the biggest increase for FHSA we have seen as well as TFSA

• Pierre Poilievre voted against $10 a day childcare - TRUE

$10 dollar a daycare doesn't work, they never put nearly enough money towards that for it to work and if it did would result in terrible quality of care.

• Pierre Poilievre voted against the children’s food programs at school - TRUE

Look at the US, state funded lunch programs are a money pit and result in kids being fed unhealthy slop.

• Pierre Poilievre voted against the child benefit - TRUE

He shouldnt have done that one

• Pierre Poilievre voted against dental care for kids - TRUE

He plans to keep it but restructure it make it effective and grant access to more Canadians, was voted against because as it is was a complete joke

• Pierre Poilievre voted against middle class tax cuts - TRUE

Is running on a 15 % cut on income tax and a total exemption for Seniors

• Pierre Poilievre voted against the Old Age Security Supplement - TRUE
• Pierre Poilievre voted against the Guaranteed Income Supplement - TRUE

Yes true

• Pierre Poilievre voted to ban abortions - TRUE

Not true, but if you think we need to end immigration then we need to ban or limit abortion to keep the population intact. That or heavily incentivize having kids.

• Pierre Poilievre voted AGAINST housing initiatives - Poilievre voted against initiatives to make housing affordable and address Canada’s housing crisis in 2006, 2009, 2010, 2013, and 2014 when Conservatives were in power; and again in 2018 and 2019 as a member of the official opposition.

These were to make government socialized housing, I have worked on many of these projects and they are giant waste of tax payers dollars and in the end don't really turn out to be more affordable than the private sector. It is much better to cut taxes and regulations to allow homes to be built faster and cheaper so the savings can be passed on to the home owner

• Pierre Poilievre voted to raise the retirement age - TRUE

Yes because they were faced with two options either raise the retirement age or increase contributions. Raising the retirement age is the better option as when the original age was decided our live expectancy was substantially less than it is today.

• Pierre Poilievre voted to slash OAS/CPP - TRUE

For similar reasons as stated above, we are living longer this system needs to be restructured or it is doomed to fail

• Pierre Poilievre voted for scabs - TRUE

that I cannot comment on

• Pierre Poilievre voted against the environment nearly 400 times - TRUE

Meaningless point, most of our enviromental regulations are crippling us for no reason other than to collect tax dollars. We are a carbon neutral country and any effort to reduce carbon emissions is a scam to fill government coffers

NASA Space Mission Takes Stock of Carbon Dioxide Emissions by Countries – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet​

A pilot project has estimated emissions and removals of carbon dioxide in individual nations using satellite measurements.

climate.nasa.gov

• Pierre Poilievre refused security clearance - TRUE

So did Tom Mulcair and most other opposition leaders, this is a nothing burger

• Pierre Poilievre instructed his MPs to keep silent on gay rights - TRUE

Yes because no matter what they say it will be used as an attack by dishonest Liberals, the fact is there hasn't been anything that could be said to be an anti-LGBT legislation from conservatives since the 80s

• Pierre Poilievre voted to cancel school lunch programs for children experiencing poverty - TRUE

its better to combat poverty that it is create another bureaucratic money pit with money better spent reducing poverty rather than patching up holes

• Pierre Poilievre voted against aid for Ukraine - TRUE

Because the Liberals wanted a carbon tax attached to it, voted for Ukraine aid in every other circumstance

• Pierre Poilievre voted for a $43.5 billion cut to healthcare in 2012
• Pierre Poilievre voted for the $196.1 billion cut to funds for surgery and reducing emergency wait times

Looking into this but I do not think it is true

• Pierre Poilievre voted for Bill C377 - an attack on unions - demanding access to the private banking info of union leaders

I agree that was a bad vote

• Pierre Poilievre vowed to "wield the NOTWITHSTANDING CLAUSE " thereby taking our charter rights away - TRUE

He would use it to lock up violet criminals who are murdering and victimizing Canadians, anyone against this is a fucking idiot. It would have to be invoked in the first place if Liberals hadn't spent there time giving criminals a free pass. Many of these criminals are the same immigrants you are saying we have too many of

• Pierre Poilievre publicly stated that he would not support Pharmacare and Dentacare (at least twice) - TRUE

Because it is ineffective spending, he will enact these programs efficiently instead as he has promised on current campaign

• Pierre Poilievre supplied coffee and donuts to the Trucker Convoy who were funded by MAGA and Russia - TRUE

You have to be truly retarded to think this is an issue. Yeah Canadians didn't want to stand up for their rights until Russia and US told them to. Probably the most blatant propaganda on this entire list.

• Pierre Poilievre scapegoated Trudeau for causing inflation, while inflation was global and Canada had one of the lowest rates in the world - TRUE

Not true, all WEF controlled nations enacted the exact same policies that cause inflation at the same time, so to say that because it's happening globally means he is not responsible is complete idiocy

• Pierre Poilievre scapegoated Trudeau for causing the interest rate hikes, while Trudeau has zero power or influence over the Bank of Canada - TRUE

Trudeau shouldn't have power to do so, but he did yet another example of his blatant corruption. This is easily verified.

• Pierre Poilievre scapegoated Trudeau by falsely claiming that the air pollution fines are the main driver of inflation in Canada, even though he KNOWS that that is completely false and was proven so - TRUE

No he didn't. I couldnt find a shred of evidence to back up that claim, which makes no sense whatsoever.

• Pierre Poilievre publicly stated that he will defund the CBC -

As he should, the CBC has turned into nothing but a propaganda arm of the government, they are the enemy of the people at this point. Why should we pay for our own brainwashing ?

 

[rikibobby]

Im not as knowledgeable of Canadian politics as I should be.

But from some of my Quebec colleagues-

Fundamentally looks like a step back for many people.

Literally can't afford any of those services. We printed $ to pay for them all. Canada will spend over $40 billion this year servicing our debt. That is more than we transfer provinces for health care.

Cannot afford. Fucked us for a generation with the debt.

 

[rikibobby]

Damn, why did he vote against childcare

The Harper government juiced up the childcare benefit for all. Trudeau transfered all of that $ to the stay at home parents who drop their kids off at daycare so they can watch soap operas uninterrupted.

The childcare is a disaster. My wife manages an ER dept and cannot get nurses off of maternity leave because they cannot find daycare. It is so much worse since this program came in. Some are going on 2 years without returning to their incredibly lucrative nursing job ($100,000+ per year).

 

[that Indian]

The Harper government juiced up the childcare benefit for all. Trudeau transfered all of that $ to the stay at home parents who drop their kids off at daycare so they can watch soap operas uninterrupted.

The childcare is a disaster. My wife manages an ER dept and cannot get nurses off of maternity leave because they cannot find daycare. It is so much worse since this program came in. Some are going on 2 years without returning to their incredibly lucrative nursing job ($100,000+ per year).

This sounds like a lot of whining and "welfare queen" histrionics. You're telling me that these "incredibly lucrative" salary earners cannot find childcare so they stay at home? So there are no market solutions for this? Day homes, private nannies, etc.?

Do you also think that most/all parents who could otherwise not afford daycare will sit at home watching soap operas uninterrupted instead of using at least some of their free time to find more employment and better their financial situation?

The one thing I do observe with alt-right commentators is that they seem to think all of their opponents are radical leftists. In fact, the radical leftists and identity champions only make up maybe 1% of the tail in a population distribution. This is one end of the bell curve mistaking everything left of it for the other end of the bell curve.

 

[that Indian]

I am a centrist, and most of the discourse I see on both the left and the right have a cult-mentality. People are parroting propaganda points instead of using civility, reason, and empirical data.

If you have hard time understanding the 'other' side, perhaps read Arnold Kling's Three Languages of Politics (available for free online). He breaks down conservative, liberal and progressive worldviews.

If you are unwilling or unable to 'steel-man' your interlocutor's arguments and then take it down, you really don't have anything to offer.

 

[that Indian]

As far as current Canadian politics, Carney is the most centrist and--absent the pandering to Alberta and culture-warrior rhetoric--could be pretty easily confused for a neoliberal conservative.

 

[rikibobby]

As far as current Canadian politics, Carney is the most centrist and--absent the pandering to Alberta and culture-warrior rhetoric--could be pretty easily confused for a neoliberal conservative.

So things are great in Canada and the last 10 years have improved it. Division, crime rate, drug abuse all down right? Deficit gone? 3 small deficits remember? Housing is affordable as fuck yo. My kids aren't fucked at all.

Riiiigggghhhhttttt. We don't need a dramatic shift to the right at all after the Liberals even out-lefted the NDP.