Floyd Mayweather TBE?

[JABMALASSIE]

Divisions arent based on height and reach are they?

Oh.

No but people in higher weight classes usually are taller with a longer reach.
Marquez, Pac, Ghost and quite a few of his opponents started at lower weight classes.
Look at Mayweathers opponents. Most started their career between 130 to 140.

 

[PUO3]

No but people in higher weight classes usually are taller with a longer reach.
Marquez, Pac, Ghost and quite a few of his opponents started at lower weight classes.
Look at Mayweathers opponents. Most started their career between 130 to 140.

So did Floyd.....

 

[ironfist05]

No issue with Floy not being called TBE because that is opinion, but this is an absolutely terrible, terrible argument.

Wilder would knock Floyd out, is Wilder a better boxer?

I'm not trying to say that Wilder is greater than Floyd, all I'm trying to say is that BOOOOMMMMM SQQQUUAAADDDD

 

[ironfist05]

Wrestling and muay Thai would like a word. Buvaisar Saitiev and Samart Payakaroon aren't considered the greatest in their respective sports because they were the best in the heaviest weight class. Basically, any sport with weight classes is going to call the greatest competitor relative to weight the greatest competitor. I don't understand why you struggle so much with this.

cocakilbanana could solve it for us, but I heard that many actually consider Dieslnoi (or even Saenchai of today) the MT GOAT. IDK how much you know about MT, but it's always something that I'd like to learn more about.

 

[Seano]

How many fighters were both taller with a longer reach?

Thats not really what you said.

 

[nac386]

Floyd's reach is abnormal, that's a great physical advantage to have as a boxer, but it's not something you can diminish his accomplishments over. There is no such thing as an all-time-great boxer who does not have abnormal physical advantages.

That is like saying, "Hearns is overrated because he never fought anyone taller than him at welterweight." Or, "Chavez is overrated because he never fought someone with a better chin than him."

 

[JayElectra]

cocakilbanana could solve it for us, but I heard that many actually consider Dieslnoi (or even Saenchai of today) the MT GOAT. IDK how much you know about MT, but it's always something that I'd like to learn more about.

I'm far from an expert on Thai boxing. I usually see Payakaroon, Dieslnoi, and a few others in the conversation. Regardless, the fighters who are in the conversation are not the best from the highest weight class.

 

[ironfist05]

yeah, this is boxing; the fanbase of boxing is generally more mature in appreciating that mastering your physical dimensions takes skill and isn't just something that gives you superpowers.

The MMA community wouldn't stop whining about Jones's reach, but the truth is that using it takes skill.

Schilt figured it out in kickboxing, but is often torn down for it apparently.

 

[ironfist05]

I'm far from an expert on Thai boxing. I usually see Payakaroon, Dieslnoi, and a few others in the conversation. Regardless, the fighters who are in the conversation are not the best from the highest weight class.

that's definitely true. From what I understand, in thai boxing it's the total opposite of boxing, where the higher weight classes are usually considered less legitimate and the lower weight classes are the focus of attention.

Looking at Saenchai's record, Saenchai fights any where from 130 to 147 with only a few weeks separation. But most of his upper weight class fights are against farangs, usually pretty skilled and respected, but not comparable to the Thai talents in the lower weight classes. So people get more excited by him facing lighter Thais than foreigners in the upper weight classes.

 

[JayElectra]

yeah, this is boxing; the fanbase of boxing is generally more mature in appreciating that mastering your physical dimensions takes skill and isn't just something that gives you superpowers.

The MMA community wouldn't stop whining about Jones's reach, but the truth is that using it takes skill.

Schilt figured it out in kickboxing, but is often torn down for it apparently.

That's more because people hate Jones than anything else.

 

[ironfist05]

That's more because people hate Jones than anything else.

probably true. I never really hated Jones, I just thought he was kinda amusing. Really good at trolling the MMA community I thought.

 

[JayElectra]

probably true. I never really hated Jones, I just thought he was kinda amusing. Really good at trolling the MMA community I thought.

I've never like Jones, at all, but it's becoming harder not to root for him considering how mad he makes a good amount of the MMA community.

 

[JABMALASSIE]

Floyd's reach is abnormal, that's a great physical advantage to have as a boxer, but it's not something you can diminish his accomplishments over. There is no such thing as an all-time-great boxer who does not have abnormal physical advantages.

That is like saying, "Hearns is overrated because he never fought anyone taller than him at welterweight." Or, "Chavez is overrated because he never fought someone with a better chin than him."

It all depends on who is rating him for him to be overrated. Many believe Floyd is great because he fought bigger opponents in many divisions. I am saying many of the opponents were of similar size and started at weight classes even below Floyd's original weight class.

Duran defeated Iran Barkley who started at 16o and moved up to 190. I think that is a great feat and increases his ranking in the lb for lb discussions.

 

[Poseidon]

Aka, Ray was naturally thinner while Hagler was naturally stockier.



You're right. So, Sugar Ray Leonard was actually taller than Hagler.

My point though, is that SRL is naturally pretty close in size to Hagler. Mayweather and Golovkin are nowhere close at all. Making the "SRL fought Hagler, and Floyd won't fight GGG" comparison nonsensical.

I was actually pointing out how small Hagler was the other day to someone. By today's standards, Hagler would be considered a small middleweight, and actually more of a super-welterweight. The guy was close to 5'8 and routinely weighed-in a few pounds below 160. He probably only fought at middleweight because that's a bigger money division, and a more historically celebrated division than 154.

A guy like GGG or Martinez would be significantly bigger than Hagler in the ring.

It isn't if you compared him to Robinson.

 

[JABMALASSIE]

Floyd's reach is abnormal, that's a great physical advantage to have as a boxer, but it's not something you can diminish his accomplishments over. There is no such thing as an all-time-great boxer who does not have abnormal physical advantages.

That is like saying, "Hearns is overrated because he never fought anyone taller than him at welterweight." Or, "Chavez is overrated because he never fought someone with a better chin than him."

It all depends on who is rating him for him to be overrated. Many believe Floyd is great because he fought bigger opponents in many divisions. I am saying many of the opponents were of similar size and started at weight classes even below Floyd's original weight class.

Duran defeated Iran Barkley who started at 16o and moved up to 190. I think that is a great feat and increases his ranking in the lb for lb discussions.

 

[The Adder]

No.

 

[actjac]

Wrestling and muay Thai would like a word. Buvaisar Saitiev and Samart Payakaroon aren't considered the greatest in their respective sports because they were the best in the heaviest weight class. Basically, any sport with weight classes is going to call the greatest competitor relative to weight the greatest competitor. I don't understand why you struggle so much with this.

Because its phony....There are currently 10 weight classes at 140 lbs. and under and if someone farts they move a weight class and can dominate....In all other sports its who is the best...the best of a sport NOT the champion of a class in the sport...Under 6' NBA player?....under 200 lb. NFL running back?....best left handed tennis player?....
Muhammad Ali would beat Sugar Ray Leonard=the best ever... Deontay Wilder would beat Floyd Mayweather=currently the best....period.
Example:Roy Jones Jr. moved up from Middleweight to Lightheayweight to Heavyweight and proved that during that era he was the best.

 

[nac386]

It all depends on who is rating him for him to be overrated. Many believe Floyd is great because he fought bigger opponents in many divisions. I am saying many of the opponents were of similar size and started at weight classes even below Floyd's original weight class.

Duran defeated Iran Barkley who started at 16o and moved up to 190. I think that is a great feat and increases his ranking in the lb for lb discussions.

It all depends on who is rating him for him to be overrated. Many believe Floyd is great because he fought bigger opponents in many divisions. I am saying many of the opponents were of similar size and started at weight classes even below Floyd's original weight class.

Duran defeated Iran Barkley who started at 16o and moved up to 190. I think that is a great feat and increases his ranking in the lb for lb discussions.

Why did you make this post 2 times, 20 minutes apart? lol

Floyd isn't a guy who typically went after huge opponents, that's true. He's only fought a few guys that were much larger than him, and like you said, he's only fought one guy who has a longer reach his whole career.

He went through 5 weight divisions because he grew up. He was never a small guy in any division he fought in, except for 154. Of course that's not the same as Duran going all the way up to fight Iran Barkley.

But fighting guys who are not in your weight class is not really a criteria for being a great fighter. It's not like Hagler was challenging light-heavyweights.

I'd say it's more important to beat the best fighters, not the biggest. Floyd beat most of the best fighters in his own weight class

 

[PUO3]

Because its phony....There are currently 10 weight classes at 140 lbs. and under and if someone farts they move a weight class and can dominate....In all other sports its who is the best...the best of a sport NOT the champion of a class in the sport...Under 6' NBA player?....under 200 lb. NFL running back?....best left handed tennis player?....
Muhammad Ali would beat Sugar Ray Leonard=the best ever... Deontay Wilder would beat Floyd Mayweather=currently the best....period.
Example:Roy Jones Jr. moved up from Middleweight to Lightheayweight to Heavyweight and proved that during that era he was the best.

Awful examples. Different positions etc and they arent trying to physically hurt the opponent.

Just awful.

 

[JABMALASSIE]

Why did you make this post 2 times, 20 minutes apart? lol

Floyd isn't a guy who typically went after huge opponents, that's true. He's only fought a few guys that were much larger than him, and like you said, he's only fought one guy who has a longer reach his whole career.

He went through 5 weight divisions because he grew up. He was never a small guy in any division he fought in, except for 154. Of course that's not the same as Duran going all the way up to fight Iran Barkley.

But fighting guys who are not in your weight class is not really a criteria for being a great fighter. It's not like Hagler was challenging light-heavyweights.

I'd say it's more important to beat the best fighters, not the biggest. Floyd beat most of the best fighters in his own weight class

We have a ghost in the house.He thinks John L Sullivan TBE.