Fiziev Will Never Represent Kyrgyzstan again

[JonJonesNeedle]

Honestly, in a lot of countries Islam gets mixed with culture/politics, and people use it to justify stuff that goes against Islam.

For example, my parents are against me marrying someone who was divorced, has children, and/or a widow. Because they think the desi community will look down on them and stuff.
But in Islam, marrying someone like that is a good thing, as those kinds of women usually have a harder time getting married.

 

[JonJonesNeedle]

yup. idk if it would be a good idea lol.

I'm guessing Kadyrov may take care of the problem for Fiziev once and for all. But not in the way Fiziev would like....

 

[xhaydenx]

I guess they don't want to piss off any government; Beneil Dariush walked out with the Assyrian flag without a problem.

Perhaps there was no dispute raised in Benny's case though.

With Edmen, the flag he walked out with was from a group in conflict with the actual ruling government. The ruling government were pissed off at the UFC for allowing it and made a fuss. The Taliban aren't allowing the old Afghan flag at all. They would definitely be pissy about it as well and the UFC know that so choose to avoid it.

 

[brownsmith76]

just like in Islam.

Bullshit defense.

Sherdoggers say, "Hey, guys. The Amish in America are just as bad and fanatical as Islamic extremists. We shouldn't criticize Islam anymore. Leave them alone. We're all equal."

 

[jerkface]

Race is just another way to separate us, divide and conquer. It is really just another "religion" so to speak, along with culture, language, national borders, or anything else you want to throw into a pool.

There is a huge pool of sherdoggers for example that "hate" fighters that are muslim, just because....which in a way is just inability to step over the noise that is fed to us. We are born into a predetermined set of conditions. Woudn't it be much better if our parents or teachers, first gave us the knowledge and let us choose whatever fits our views?

These are good questions. I have been down this path of thought myself.
I think if you continue down it, you will see that many of these constructs of society did actually develop as a reaction to human nature. Humans long to be in groups and teams. It is very difficult to have a 'successful' society without some norms and beliefs in common. Most humans long to follow a strong ideology. Most humans in history didn't have the time nor inclination to search out these questions, and so followed the most dynamic leaders, or were forced. Most parents don't like to tell children, "I don't know". Some humans are predatory. If there is complete freedom from influence of societal structures, humans always create them again. And so, overbearing societal contructs are created not just for power and self-gain but also to reign in human nature.

 

[Ryoto Machida]

I don’t know if that’s what it is, places like El Salvador, Honduras, Venezuela, and name you poor violent Christian country, are economically much worse off than most middle eastern countries, yet I don’t hear of anyone being killed for being an apostate or being from a different sect of Christianity. The women in these countries are also given equal rights and don’t live under the threat of execution if they’re too promiscuous etc…

I don’t know if that’s what it is, places like El Salvador, Honduras, Venezuela, and name you poor violent Christian country, are economically much worse off than most middle eastern countries, yet I don’t hear of anyone being killed for being an apostate or being from a different sect of Christianity. The women in these countries are also given equal rights and don’t live under the threat of execution if they’re too promiscuous etc…

It’s more about what’s written in their book, Islamic extremist groups are not studying some hardcore version of Islam, they’re getting the instructions from the very same text your peaceful moderate neighbour is reciting.

And Christians were reading the same texts during the inquisition as they are now.

The texts can be interpreted however you want, based upon how your trying to use it to your advantage. Christianity was used as justification for Colonialism, slavery, etc.

The interpretations will always be based on what's happening in the world at the time.

Just check this out. It's very infomative on why the ME has been as messed up as it has been.



As I said, Islam is indeed fucked. No defense of it. But this particular super fucked version we see in the Middle East owes largely to the recent history.

 

[kingmob6]

Bullshit defense.

Sherdoggers say, "Hey, guys. The Amish in America are just as bad and fanatical as Islamic extremists. We shouldn't criticize Islam anymore. Leave them alone. We're all equal."

to be honest I am lost with what you are trying to highlight. Are you trying to pinpoint that Islam is more backwards than Christianity?

 

[Koro_11]

What I am saying, religion is a tool to carry through a certain agenda....so is politics. To me there is no difference. Christians killing christians has happened millions of times through "history", there are divisions in christianity that have caused massive violent conflicts, just like in Islam.

Again you’re talking about throughout history and I don’t disagree.

But I’m talking about TODAY and NOW. You know this so I’m not sure why you’re trying to muddy the waters.

 

[Koro_11]

And Christians were reading the same texts during the inquisition as they are now.

The texts can be interpreted however you want, based upon how your trying to use it to your advantage. Christianity was used as justification for Colonialism, slavery, etc.

The interpretations will always be based on what's happening in the world at the time.

Just check this out. It's very infomative on why the ME has been as messed up as it has been.



As I said, Islam is indeed fucked. No defense of it. But this particular super fucked version we see in the Middle East owes largely to the recent history.

And that’s exactly what I said, that Islam today is comparable to Christianity during the inquisition.

 

[Ryoto Machida]

Bullshit defense.

Sherdoggers say, "Hey, guys. The Amish in America are just as bad and fanatical as Islamic extremists. We shouldn't criticize Islam anymore. Leave them alone. We're all equal."

I've been criticizing the shit out of Islam. You just get butthurt whenever the conversation goes any deeper than "Islam bad! Christian good!.

 

[brownsmith76]

to be honest I am lost with what you are trying to highlight. Are you trying to pinpoint that Islam is more backwards than Christianity?

Do you think a peaceful Buddhist that makes a vow against materialism is the same "fucked" as Islam?

 

[brownsmith76]

But I’m talking about TODAY and NOW. You know this so I’m not sure why you’re trying to muddy the waters.

He's making a defense for "equality, multiculturalism, and diversity".

"Equality" in "fucked religions" is more important to him than reality in the present time.

I think he's a leftist trying to make a point in "fairness".

 

[Koro_11]

I've been criticizing the shit out of Islam. You just get butthurt whenever the conversation goes any deeper than "Islam bad! Christian good!.

Except absolutely no one on this thread said that Islam is bad while Christianity or any other religion is good. All people are saying is that there are degrees of bad, there is a spectrum, and to ignore it is to be disingenuous. And to excuse Islam today because Christianity was comparable 500 years ago is also disingenuous.

 

[Ryoto Machida]

And that’s exactly what I said, that Islam today is comparable to Christianity during the inquisition.

But I would suggest it has less to do with "modernity vs antiquity" versus what was happening in the Christian world at the time. And it goes beyond just poverty too. The ME has been in a state of constant war since the Ottoman empire fell, similar to how Europe was in a state of constant war during the inquisition. That's the parallel I was trying to draw.

 

[Koro_11]

He's making a defense for "equality, multiculturalism, and diversity".

"Equality" in "fucked religions" is more important to him than reality in the present time.

I think he's a leftist trying to make a point in "fairness".

If he’s a leftist then it’s even more ridiculous, shouldn’t leftists be for things such as equal rights for both genders, and the rights of homosexuals to exist etc. how does a leftist reconcile this while defending Islam?

 

[kingmob6]

Again you’re talking about throughout history and I don’t disagree.

But I’m talking about TODAY and NOW. You know this so I’m not sure why you’re trying to muddy the waters.

Well, I am not muddying the waters. We are discussing the context. The same religion can be interpreted 10 different ways by those who chose to interpret it. At the current state of things, we have more violence coming from Islam, but I am pointing out the fact that at some point Christianity had the same issues. In my humble opinion, the fact that we have Islam perceived as more violent, is a construct of a system. It is designed to have that effect, it serves someone's purpose.

 

[Ryoto Machida]

He's making a defense for "equality, multiculturalism, and diversity".

"Equality" in "fucked religions" is more important to him than reality in the present time.

I think he's a leftist trying to make a point in "fairness".

No, you just can't read and have no grasp on history. I try to understand WHY Islam is as fucked as it is in the modern era, I'm not trying to argue that it isn't. To do that you have to actually study history, not just listen to Tucker Carlson.

 

[Koro_11]

But I would suggest it has less to do with "modernity vs antiquity" versus what was happening in the Christian world at the time. And it goes beyond just poverty too. The ME has been in a state of constant war since the Ottoman empire fell, similar to how Europe was in a state of constant war during the inquisition. That's the parallel I was trying to draw.

OK then, explain to me why there aren’t Coptic Christian suicide bombers? They live in Egypt too. How many Lebanese Christian extremist groups or suicide bombings have you heard of? If it was explained by the situation you’re suggesting then these groups would be equally extreme yet they are not?

 

[kingmob6]

Do you think a peaceful Buddhist that makes a vow against materialism is the same "fucked" as Islam?

Different set of ideals. There are plenty of peaceful Islamists. Buddhism is a religion as well, with idol worshipping and dogmatic forced views.

 

[JustBleed69]

Christ religion is the worst