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[JustBleed69]

Christ religion is the worst

Christ, religion is the worst.*

And I see the irony there lol

 

[brownsmith76]

Leftist sherdoggers saying, "Hey, all religions are equally bad, so stop criticizing Islam. We need to sweep all this under the carpet. Don't worry. I'm not trying to defend Islam. I'm just trying to be fair by attacking all religions equally."

"Equality" is the main ideology here.

It's like saying, "Hey, women are just as bad as men. There are female murderers that try to get away with it."

https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/emotions/men-more-violent.htm
"The U.S. Department of Justice sponsored a National Crime Victimization Study in 2007. This evaluation found that 75.6 percent of all offenders were male and only 20.1 percent were female."

It's not hard to figure out. Men have more testosterone, are larger, and can be more aggressive.

The sherdogger says, "Hey, women are equally as bad as men! I can point to a serial murderer who was a woman!"

 

[Koro_11]

Well, I am not muddying the waters. We are discussing the context. The same religion can be interpreted 10 different ways by those who chose to interpret it. At the current state of things, we have more violence coming from Islam, but I am pointing out the fact that at some point Christianity had the same issues. In my humble opinion, the fact that we have Islam perceived as more violent, is a construct of a system. It is designed to have that effect, it serves someone's purpose.

But we don’t need your opinion or mine, The Quran is a very short book, read it. The instructions are plain and simple, these people are not flying planes into buildings because of their economic situation. They are doing it because they believe they will go to paradise and it is there a duty as it is written in their holy book.

You cannot compare Jesus to Mohammed. One was basically a hippie teaching people to turn the other cheek while the other was a conquering war lord who imposed his will Genghis Khan styles. Come on dude, be serious.

 

[Ryoto Machida]

If he’s a leftist then it’s even more ridiculous, shouldn’t leftists be for things such as equal rights for both genders, and the rights of homosexuals to exist etc. how does a leftist reconcile this while defending Islam?

Holy shit! I'm not defending Islam!!! WTF is wrong with you people? You're asking why it's as fucked today in the modern world, and I'm providing historical reasons why it's went in that direction, while Christianity has become kinder and gentler (and straying further from the founding texts). You guys just want me to say "Islam bad/Christian good" or else I'm a leftist! Which is fucking hilarious, albeit for other reasons.

 

[Koro_11]

Holy shit! I'm not defending Islam!!! WTF is wrong with you people? You're asking why it's as fucked today in the modern world, and I'm providing historical reasons why it's went in that direction, while Christianity has become kinder and gentler (and straying further from the founding texts). You guys just want me to say "Islam bad/Christian good" or else I'm a leftist! Which is fucking hilarious, albeit for other reasons.

Exactly, christianity has distanced itself from its most extreme concepts, and Islam has not which is why it’s a big issue TODAY while Christianity and Judaism and Hinduism, and Buddhism are pretty benign by all comparisons.

 

[Jozo Sha]

There's no point in arguing with you as you have zero clue of the history in the region post WW1.

He should read "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" by Lawrence of Arabia. Great biographical account of the Arab Revolt in WWI.

 

[Ryoto Machida]

Do you think a peaceful Buddhist that makes a vow against materialism is the same "fucked" as Islam?

Thanks for demonstrating you don't even know the difference between the Abrahamic religions and the rest.

Also, go ask religious minorities in Burma how peaceful Buddhists are.

 

[Ryoto Machida]

He should read "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" by Lawrence of Arabia. Great biographical account of the Arab Revolt in WWI.

You're assuming he even reads.

 

[Human Bass]

He should convert to Christianity just to piss off both sides.

 

[brownsmith76]

while Christianity has become kinder and gentler

There's absolutely no reason to bring up Christians as being bad unless you want to create a diversion away from modern Islam.

Are you a leftist? Yes or no. Are you a moderate liberal? Yes or no.

 

[kingmob6]

But we don’t need your opinion or mine, The Quran is a very short book, read it. The instructions are plain and simple, these people are not flying planes into buildings because of their economic situation. They are doing it because they believe they will go to paradise and it is there a duty as it is written in their holy book.

You cannot compare Jesus to Mohammed. One was basically a hippie teaching people to turn the other cheek while the other was a conquering war lord who imposed his will Genghis Khan styles. Come on dude, be serious.

That is only true if you chose to interpret it literally. Neither the Bible, Or Quran or the Torah is written for literal interpretation. It is a coded, veiled text with multiple layers of information encoded into it. And it is interpreted completely differently, once you understand what the text is supposed to mean and it is even understood differently by different people groups in literal sense. Muhammad and Jesus are fictional characters, serving a purpose....a narrative. Me and you and others here, will interpret the same comment/text differently. It is not a clear instructional booklet.

 

[jerkface]

Honestly, in a lot of countries Islam gets mixed with culture/politics, and people use it to justify stuff that goes against Islam.

For example, my parents are against me marrying someone who was divorced, has children, and/or a widow. Because they think the desi community will look down on them and stuff.
But in Islam, marrying someone like that is a good thing, as those kinds of women usually have a harder time getting married.

100% correct on the first part. Same with Christianity. For most of the history of the position of Pope, he was more politically powerful than kings and emperors.

 

[Koro_11]

That is only true if you chose to interpret it literally. Neither the Bible, Or Quran or the Torah is written for literal interpretation. It is a coded, veiled text with multiple layers of information encoded into it. And it is interpreted completely differently, once you understand what the text is supposed to mean and it is even understood differently by different people groups in literal sense. Muhammad and Jesus are fictional characters, serving a purpose....a narrative. Me and you and others here, will interpret the same comment/text differently. It is not a clear instructional booklet.

OK but that is exactly my point, there are virtually no Christians who are interpreting the Bible literally today, definitely not organized groups that have any type of impact on the world. And even if they are interpreting it that way they are certainly not acting it out.

In the case of Islam you have a religion of more than 1 billion people, and of that billion a good percentage do interpret it literally and act it out daily, that is exactly the problem.

 

[Ryoto Machida]

Exactly, christianity has distanced itself from its most extreme concepts, and Islam has not which is why it’s a big issue TODAY while Christianity and Judaism and Hinduism, and Buddhism are pretty benign by all comparisons.

I agree with that statement, but I also think there are a lot of issues why that's the case beyond the religion itself. I don't know why that suggestion makes me "leftist" or "defending Islam". I mean you even admit Christianity has extreme concepts. Where did they come from? It's still the same Bible! The extreme concepts of any religion get pulled out to be used when needed.

 

[brownsmith76]

That is only true if you chose to interpret it literally. Neither the Bible, Or Quran or the Torah is written for literal interpretation. It is a coded, veiled text with multiple layers of information encoded into it. And it is interpreted completely differently, once you understand what the text is supposed to mean and it is even understood differently by different people groups in literal sense.

Who cares what you interpret it as?

We're not here to debate your personal, philosophical opinions. You're a nobody on the internet.



Prophet Mohammed was the perfect Muslim, and 100% of all Muslims must follow his example. He owned slaves, had multiple wives, and led wars.

There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world who do interpret the Quran literally.

 

[Ryoto Machida]

OK but that is exactly my point, there are virtually no Christians who are interpreting the Bible literally today, definitely not organized groups that have any type of impact on the world. And even if they are interpreting it that way they are certainly not acting it out.

In the case of Islam you have a religion of more than 1 billion people, and of that billion a good percentage do interpret it literally and act it out daily, that is exactly the problem.

So it's the people that are the problem, not the texts? People who follow Islam are just too literal?

 

[Ryoto Machida]

Who cares what you interpret it as?

We're not here to debate your personal, philosophical opinions. You're a nobody on the internet.



Prophet Mohammed was the perfect Muslim, and 100% of all Muslims must follow his example. He owned slaves, had multiple wives, and led wars.

There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world who do interpret the Quran literally.

You have no idea how many Muslims interpret it literally. And you are every bit of a nobody as anyone else on Sherdog, so get off your high horse.

 

[kingmob6]

OK but that is exactly my point, there are virtually no Christians who are interpreting the Bible literally today, definitely not organized groups that have any type of impact on the world. And even if they are interpreting it that way they are certainly not acting it out.

In the case of Islam you have a religion of more than 1 billion people, and of that billion a good percentage do interpret it literally and act it out daily, that is exactly the problem.

Not sure if we are talking about the same thing here....most Christians do actually interpret it literally, but yet, come to a different conclusion reading the same text. There are however degrees of separation. There are many Islamists who are peaceful and have no desire for violence, and there are those who are "fundamentalists" who interpret it quite differently and in a more radical manner. All parties are deceived.

 

[Ryoto Machida]

There's absolutely no reason to bring up Christians as being bad unless you want to create a diversion away from modern Islam.

Are you a leftist? Yes or no. Are you a moderate liberal? Yes or no.

No, and no. If I lean in any direction, it's libertarian.

 

[Max Power]

Religion is bad. ISIS, the Westboro Baptist Church. Both bad. Bad and wrong.