Social Fixing California

[Paradigm]

. Are you serious??! I’ve been reading this thread and that guy have been lashing out at everyone likes he’s got stock in the state of Cali. LOL if he lives in Camden.

Camden!!!

 

[TheJewBear]

It looks like you've got your terms mixed up.

We're talking about "cities" not "shitholes". LMAO.

You're right, how could I leave LA and San Bernardino out of the mix?

 

[TribalDrumz]

 

[ShadowRun]

They should that speed train project back up that goes to SF to LA, that thing was managed really well and the budget handling was excellent

 

[SurferH2O]

No need to read your posts. Your “good money” isn’t enough to live in the goat state. That’s understandable and nothing to be ashamed of. This place isn’t for everyone.

Virtually all of California's cities have gone to shit. Unless you are in San Diego, then you are surrounded by increased crime, homeless, and drugs. I am a native and live in Huntington Beach, because I surf. I have watched very wealthy family and friends leave the state, because of the deteriorating conditions, increased taxation, and whacked public policies and laws thanks to a Democratic Party super majority.

All we need to know is the price of a U-Haul for the Middle Class to move to California vs. moving out. Pro-Tip they will practically pay you to bring one back, but it's a fortune to take one out. I am "Upper Class", but I am gone just as soon as my son is done with High School in a few years.

 

[Revolver]

Virtually all of California's cities have gone to shit. Unless you are in San Diego, then you are surrounded by increased crime, homeless, and drugs. I am a native and live in Huntington Beach, because I surf. I have watched very wealthy family and friends leave the state, because of the deteriorating conditions, increased taxation, and whacked public policies and laws thanks to a Democratic Party super majority.

All we need to know is the price of a U-Haul for the Middle Class to move to California vs. moving out. Pro-Tip they will practically pay you to bring one back, but it's a fortune to take one out. I am "Upper Class", but I am gone just as soon as my son is done with High School in a few years.

 

[SurferH2O]

>>> Admits to being poor

>>>> Blames CA for his failures

Yea, seems about right LMAO. Hit the road and head to another state where the competition is easier, you poor.

Where did I exactly "admit to being poor"? After about age 10 I went from poor to Middle Class when my Step Dad (a father to me), sold his mechanic shop and got into real estate.

I sold my previous software business almost a decade ago. I have a home paid off in Huntington Beach, CA - Henderson, NV - and recently sold my place in Costa Rica as my wife wants us to instead find a place in Maui, HI. I am an Exec VP of a Software/Data Services company that has approximately 75% of U.S. Nuclear Plants as our customers, the U.S. Department of Energy's largest sites (Hanford, WA) and most secret sites (Y12 - Oak Ridge, TN) as customers. If I am poor, then the rest of the nation is fooked.

Failures? Besides running a very successful company, I am a Sci Fi Author with a published trilogy. I also have a book on Sales/Bus Dev that is doing quite well, but the money for it all goes to CHOC Hospital where my wife donates her time for the kids in the Cancer Ward.

 

[SurferH2O]

Don't worry. I will keep the HB home as an Air BnB, but I am not keeping my residency here. Maybe someday the state will clean back up and get rid of the insane taxes and laws?

 

[Hit-N-Run]

California, you mean the 5th largest economy in the world? That state? The one that literately drives the entire US economy and saved us from the fall in manufacturing with the technical evolution/industry?

California has some jacked up shit like every state but if a state, a single state, has a larger economy then the UK and France, it's doing something right.

 

[panamaican]

What needs to be fixed?

Their population is still growing. Their economy is still growing (faster than the nation's, I think). They pay out more in taxes than they take in from the federal government. They have great weather.

I guess there's earthquakes but I don't think anyone knows how to fix those yet.

 

[SurferH2O]

What needs to be fixed?

Their population is still growing. Their economy is still growing (faster than the nation's, I think). They pay out more in taxes than they take in from the federal government. They have great weather.

I guess there's earthquakes but I don't think anyone knows how to fix those yet.

No. There was a net 38,000 loss of Californians in 2018. The trend is undeniable. We are watching the Middle Class move out and the poor move in. The state will have the wealthy and the poor, as the Middle Class disappears from California.

 

[panamaican]

No. There was a net 38,000 loss of Californians in 2018. The trend is undeniable. We are watching the Middle Class move out and the poor move in. The state will have the wealthy and the poor, as the Middle Class disappears from California.

You are mistaken. California still had population growth in 2018. It was the lowest in recorded history but still net growth.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-population-growth-20190501-story.html

Maybe you're thinking about net migration? It's possible they had a loss there.

 

[Paradigm]

What needs to be fixed?

Their population is still growing. Their economy is still growing (faster than the nation's, I think). They pay out more in taxes than they take in from the federal government. They have great weather.

I guess there's earthquakes but I don't think anyone knows how to fix those yet.

I mean...nothing else to fix besides the housing shortage, rising wealth inequality, homeless crisis and some of the worst roads/public schools in the country. This doesn't even take into account a possible economic disaster looming with underfunded CalPERS pensions.

 

[SurferH2O]

I mean...nothing else to fix besides the housing shortage, rising wealth inequality, homeless crisis and some of the worst roads/public schools in the country. This doesn't even take into account a possible economic disaster looming with underfunded CalPERS pensions.

You are right on all accounts and especially about the pensions and that goes for the Fire, Police, City Employees in most places. California pensions are fooked as we had decades of Democrats negotiating with Democrats on taxpayer money for public employees.

My mother retired as the Budget Director for the Office of the Courts over 20 years ago. My eldest sister retired as the Budget Director of Cal Trans a month ago. My mom likely won't live to see it collapse, but my sister, I hope she is saving big, so I don't have to bail her out. Both of their retirements are over $70K a year + some sweet benefits. How the state affords that is insane. The Sacramento Bee even wrote an article on my Mom's retirement years back, it was a how to story on maximizing retirement for state employees.

 

[SurferH2O]

You are mistaken. California still had population growth in 2018. It was the lowest in recorded history but still net growth.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-population-growth-20190501-story.html

Maybe you're thinking about net migration? It's possible they had a loss there.

Yes... you are correct. Net migration. Down in 2017 and 2018, with a huge downswing in 2016 starting the bad trend.

https://qz.com/1599150/californias-population-could-start-shrinking-very-soon/

 

[panamaican]

I mean...nothing else to fix besides the housing shortage, rising wealth inequality, homeless crisis and some of the worst roads/public schools in the country. This doesn't even take into account a possible economic disaster looming with underfunded CalPERS pensions.

You mean the same issues facing most state in the country?

They have a housing shortage because they have a lot of people and a lot of demand to live/work there. That's not a problem in any real sense. Rising wealth inequality is a national issue. If no one's fixing it on the national scale - why is it uniquely bad in CA? Some of the worst roads/public schools in the country and some of the best.

The same thing with the pensions, most states have looming pension problems.

I'm not dismissing your list but if that's the issue, we should have a similar thread for almost every state.

 

[SurferH2O]

California is being forfeited by the natives to foreigners.

https://qz.com/1599150/californias-population-could-start-shrinking-very-soon/

Besides births, the main reason California’s population hasn’t already started falling has been international migration into the state. Every year since 2011, net domestic migration has been negative—i.e., more people leave California than move in from other states. But from 2011 to 2016, the number of international migrants moving into California was larger than the number of locals who were moving out.

Since then, however, domestic departures have outstripped international arrivals. In 2018, 156,000 locals left the state, compared to 118,000 international who came.


The huge number of Asians moving in is barely ever discussed.

 

[panamaican]

California is being forfeited by the natives to foreigners.

https://qz.com/1599150/californias-population-could-start-shrinking-very-soon/

Besides births, the main reason California’s population hasn’t already started falling has been international migration into the state. Every year since 2011, net domestic migration has been negative—i.e., more people leave California than move in from other states. But from 2011 to 2016, the number of international migrants moving into California was larger than the number of locals who were moving out.

Since then, however, domestic departures have outstripped international arrivals. In 2018, 156,000 locals left the state, compared to 118,000 international who came.


The huge number of Asians moving in is barely ever discussed.

Barely discussed by who? Something like 80% of the Asian population is concentrated in 5 states. The reason it doesn't get more discussion is because Asians represent ~6% of the population. The other reason they don't get discussed much is precisely because they're an immigrant population. Something like 90% of our Asian population is first gen (compared to blacks and whites where it's less than 10% each and Hispanics where it's 40% foreign born).

They're not a significant population pool from which to draw any national level conversations. In 3+ generations when we can separate out an immigrant Asian population from a substantial native born Asian population then they'll be a more informative group to discuss.

 

[Ophydian]

>>> Admits to being poor

>>>> Blames CA for his failures

Yea, seems about right LMAO. Hit the road and head to another state where the competition is easier, you poor.

Claims he also went to UCSD, more like SDSU.

 

[SurferH2O]

Barely discussed by who? Something like 80% of the Asian population is concentrated in 5 states. The reason it doesn't get more discussion is because Asians represent ~6% of the population. The other reason they don't get discussed much is precisely because they're an immigrant population. Something like 90% of our Asian population is first gen (compared to blacks and whites where it's less than 10% each and Hispanics where it's 40% foreign born).

They're not a significant population pool from which to draw any national level conversations. In 3+ generations when we can separate out an immigrant Asian population from a substantial native born Asian population then they'll be a more informative group to discuss.

lol... yet gays and transgenders receive tons more press and are, "not a significant population pool from which to draw any national level conversations".