Crime Firearms

[SummerStriker]

I think if you have children or someone in the house who is a moron you have to be a bit more vigilant with that. Like it's OK to have one ready to rock but it has to be under control at all times.

I keep one ready to go that's pretty much on or near me at all times

I keep 2 in the bedroom that just need to be racked, both of those are attached to my carrier Someone is always home but if not I do put those up too.

Everything else is in the safe. I don't like to keep guns anywhere where if someone broke in they would have any kind of access to it before I might even be aware of them. But I also have a beagle and pitbeast so even coming into my yard let alone house isn't going to be easy and chances are I'm going to be aware of someone pretty quickly.


And a thought I just had typing that last bit for @HomeCheese ..3 people live with me and even in the dark if I hear something I don't like and get up to check it out another thing that is going to aid me in not just shooting someone if I see them moving around in the dark is how my dogs are reacting to them. If it's just swishing tails and heh heh heh heh and not grrrrr and no swish swish at all I know damn well that shadow in the dark is either my wife or 2 friends. Good judgement and being aware of your surroundings...more gun safety rules I follow.

I reinforced my doors with longer strike plates and wood screws, so that if someone wants to get in here they have to break the door or break a window. Kinda wish I had a dog but I travel too much.

 

[SummerStriker]

Yeah, like I thought. You think you are better than the average American gun owner. This is actually not hard to imagine as we generally picture ammo-sexuals as uneducated hillbillies. For your families sake I hope that it is true.

Like I said, I'm sure 99.9% your you gun huggers thinks they are protecting their family. Another 25% think they own a gun to protect the people from the government or an invasion from Mexico.

Most people that I've known who own guns just leave them lying around everywhere. People who use a safe are in the top tier of safety.

 

[rob mafia]

Why?

...because it's willingly, and therefore, moot?

 

[Gutter Chris]

Why? Because it doesn't fit your narrative? LOL! You can't pick and choose the numbers. Further, do you have statistics that prove your point? I'd suggest that taking out suicides still won't screw the numbers in your favor.

Anywho, the numbers are very clear: If there is a gun in the home someone living there is more likely to be shot.

Because suicides shouldn't count when you are trying to prove or disprove if something is dangerous. You taking yourself out isn't a societal problem it's a family problem. It is not my responsibility to make sure you don't kill yourself and our rights should not be up for debate based on it. If you want to argue guns are dangerous in my opinion only how that relates to you (even though I don't agree) is the only valid argument you can make. I'm Uncomfortable with people owning a gun cuz I don't want them to kill me makes sense. I'm Uncomfortable with you owning a gun because you might kill yourself is a bit too nanny for me. Also I know I'm not going to kill myself so again it's not a valid argument to me

 

[HomeCheese]

And a thought I just had typing that last bit for @HomeCheese ..3 people live with me and even in the dark if I hear something I don't like and get up to check it out another thing that is going to aid me in not just shooting someone if I see them moving around in the dark is how my dogs are reacting to them. If it's just swishing tails and heh heh heh heh and not grrrrr and no swish swish at all I know damn well that shadow in the dark is either my wife or 2 friends. Good judgement and being aware of your surroundings...more gun safety rules I follow.

Wait what? You hear a noise at night you grab your gun and listen to the sounds your dogs make?

I usually just switch on the lights.

 

[HomeCheese]

Because suicides shouldn't count when you are trying to prove or disprove if something is dangerous. You taking yourself out isn't a societal problem it's a family problem. It is not my responsibility to make sure you don't kill yourself and our rights should not be up for debate based on it. If you want to argue guns are dangerous in my opinion only how that relates to you (even though I don't agree) is the only valid argument you can make. I'm Uncomfortable with people owning a gun cuz I don't want them to kill me makes sense. I'm Uncomfortable with you owning a gun because you might kill yourself is a bit too nanny for me. Also I know I'm not going to kill myself so again it's not a valid argument to me

I agree. That's why instead of just picking part of the statistics to review, I look at the entirety of the data. All gun deaths and violence.

Why would anyone just pick and choose the data they like? Because their arguments don't make sense if you include all the data.

 

[rob mafia]

I agree. That's why instead of just picking part of the statistics to review, I look at the entirety of the data. All gun deaths and violence.

Why would anyone just pick and choose the data they like? Because their arguments don't make sense if you include all the data.

...you said you agree and then explained why you disagree.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Wait what? You hear a noise at night you grab your gun and listen to the sounds your dogs make?

I usually just switch on the lights.

You know you can pick up a gun without shooting anyone or having an accident right ? Shit I don't even have to point it and it can just be there.

I've been trying to tell you for a long time now that not everyone comes from the same kinds of places. I grew up in and around Detroit and I know you have probably heard a few stories about that place and seen the statistics. Violence happens here. Often.I lived in the hood along time dude. Sometimes you gotta see what's going on. Also yea if something is going on you arent just going to want to roll over and go back to bed.i know you dont believe it but i have had actual real life bad guys try to force entry into my home before and if you can't tell that sort of shit leaves a lasting impression. Far as the dogs go if I get up they get up so it's just a little added situational awareness. I'm not listening for them with my ear like hulk hogan it's passive and they are right there with me. You never had a dog before and never seen how they react to things? Shit dude I think it's one of the reasons people started keeping them around forever ago because they do exactly that.

No I don't turn on the lights. To my fellows in arms it's likely obvious. Maybe try to put yourself in my shoes for a split second and think about why that might not be. There's like 50 reasons why and I have confidence you can actually come up with a few. I do not think you are stupid at all dude I just think this topic gets you so emotional you are unable to think clearly or hear what anyone else is saying

 

[Gutter Chris]

I agree. That's why instead of just picking part of the statistics to review, I look at the entirety of the data. All gun deaths and violence.

Why would anyone just pick and choose the data they like? Because their arguments don't make sense if you include all the data.

Its not picking and choosing not all data is relevant to all discussions. If you aren't a headcase having a gun in the home isn't an issue. If something happens that makes you suicidal you are either going to give your guns to a friend and seek help or you are gonna do it and in reverse if you are suicidal you can also either buy one or again seek help. In regards to suicide the gun is not gun violence but just the tool used and thus it should not be part of the discussion on gun violence

Which beings us back to if you are not a complete retard that Stat you love is horse shit

 

[Belaya Smert]

It takes more than a safe. People unload their guns incorrectly and leave one in the chamber. They finger the trigger when they get it out of the safe. They clean their guns when they are tired and discharge them accidentally. They leave the safe open the way you might leave the stove on. They overestimate their family's competence and leave them sitting out. They drop them and get embarrassed, then finger the trigger when picking the gun up. You need systems to prevent all that.

Safe storage and firearm education. It’s not rocket science

 

[Belaya Smert]

Do you disagree with the statistics?

Having a gun in the home makes the people there less safe. Why is this hard for you to comprehend?

The fact the metric isn’t used for knives which don’t require a background check and are more readily available and in homes without firearms.

 

[Gutter Chris]

I reinforced my doors with longer strike plates and wood screws, so that if someone wants to get in here they have to break the door or break a window. Kinda wish I had a dog but I travel too much.

I've got steel door frames. I don't know if the guy who lived here before me stole em from a construction site got a good deal or if he recycled them ....or if the guy thought like us...but either way I'm a fan.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Why? Because it doesn't fit your narrative? LOL! You can't pick and choose the numbers. Further, do you have statistics that prove your point? I'd suggest that taking out suicides still won't screw the numbers in your favor.

Anywho, the numbers are very clear: If there is a gun in the home someone living there is more likely to be shot.

Mostly because the narrative you are pushing makes zero sense

 

[spamking]

If there is a gun in the home someone living there is more likely to be shot.

This really isn't the gotcha you think it is . . . it's just pointing out the obvious risk due to the mere existence of a gun. It's like saying you're more likely to get bit by a poisonous snake or alligator if you own one or the other. The thing you're purposefully ignoring is the compensating actions taken to mitigate the risks associated with the gun, snake or alligator.

 

[spamking]

Mostly because the narrative you are pushing makes zero sense

Did you know that if you drive a gas-powered vehicle that you're more likely going to have to pay for gas?

 

[oldshadow]

I can understand how you feel but having a gun in the home actually makes your family less safe. If there is a gun in the house someone living there is more likely to be shot. It is really that simple.

If you want to keep your family safe then keep the guns out of the house.

That's only true if you count only shots fired as self defense. Which is how they came up with that number. They discounted the times the gun was used in self defense but never fired.

 

[HomeCheese]

You know you can pick up a gun without shooting anyone or having an accident right ? Shit I don't even have to point it and it can just be there.

I've been trying to tell you for a long time now that not everyone comes from the same kinds of places. I grew up in and around Detroit and I know you have probably heard a few stories about that place and seen the statistics. Violence happens here. Often.I lived in the hood along time dude. Sometimes you gotta see what's going on. Also yea if something is going on you arent just going to want to roll over and go back to bed.i know you dont believe it but i have had actual real life bad guys try to force entry into my home before and if you can't tell that sort of shit leaves a lasting impression. Far as the dogs go if I get up they get up so it's just a little added situational awareness. I'm not listening for them with my ear like hulk hogan it's passive and they are right there with me. You never had a dog before and never seen how they react to things? Shit dude I think it's one of the reasons people started keeping them around forever ago because they do exactly that.

No I don't turn on the lights. To my fellows in arms it's likely obvious. Maybe try to put yourself in my shoes for a split second and think about why that might not be. There's like 50 reasons why and I have confidence you can actually come up with a few. I do not think you are stupid at all dude I just think this topic gets you so emotional you are unable to think clearly or hear what anyone else is saying

The fact that you actually worry about armed invaders and shooting your way out of trouble has got the wreak havoc on your nervous system and have long term negative affect on your health. I am sorry you live in fear like this.

Can you see how your fear puts your family in danger with having guns around?

You see, because I am not afraid, I don't need guns around. This actually makes my family more safe than yours.

 

[HomeCheese]

Mostly because the narrative you are pushing makes zero sense

How so? The statistics are very clear, a gun in the home means someone there is more likely to get shot. It makes a house less safe.

 

[HomeCheese]

This really isn't the gotcha you think it is . . . it's just pointing out the obvious risk due to the mere existence of a gun. It's like saying you're more likely to get bit by a poisonous snake or alligator if you own one or the other. The thing you're purposefully ignoring is the compensating actions taken to mitigate the risks associated with the gun, snake or alligator.

So you agree and good for you to admit the obvious. Many of the posters here claim to own a gun for safety, protection. You and I realize it actually makes people living in the home less safe.

Owning a gun is more about ego than safety.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Wait what? You hear a noise at night you grab your gun and listen to the sounds your dogs make?

truly the sign of a safe, healthy, free culture.