Crime Firearms

[rob mafia]

It's may seem nuanced to you but statistics are very clear; if there is a gun in the home someone living there is more likely to be shot.

So the folks that imagine themselves as protectors of their family because they have guns are actually putting their family at greater risk.

Do you understand?

so what, you're just a statistic?

and more likely to be shot... but less likely to be raped, stabbed, kidnapped, robbed, beaten, etc? but i guess none of that matters.

 

[the ambush]

It’s called a gun safe try to stay up on the advancements in technology @HomeCheese

All of us firearm owners are so inferior and beneath him

 

[SummerStriker]

It’s called a gun safe try to stay up on the advancements in technology @HomeCheese

It takes more than a safe. People unload their guns incorrectly and leave one in the chamber. They finger the trigger when they get it out of the safe. They clean their guns when they are tired and discharge them accidentally. They leave the safe open the way you might leave the stove on. They overestimate their family's competence and leave them sitting out. They drop them and get embarrassed, then finger the trigger when picking the gun up. You need systems to prevent all that.

 

[Rob Battisti]

It's may seem nuanced to you but statistics are very clear; if there is a gun in the home someone living there is more likely to be shot.

So the folks that imagine themselves as protectors of their family because they have guns are actually putting their family at greater risk.

Do you understand?

Take suicides out and try again

 

[rob mafia]

People unload their guns incorrectly and leave one in the chamber.

counterpoint: guns should be chambered. i mean, maybe not all of them... but if all of your guns are unloaded and in holsters in a safe in a bigger safe... they're not going to do you much good when you quickly need one.

when seconds count, why spend them opening safes and loading?

 

[Gutter Chris]

What's your argument exactly? That even though statistics clearly demonstrate that having a gun in the home makes the people living there less safe, guns actually make your family more safe because you are better than the average person?

Don't you think just about every gun owner trusts themselves to not kill their family? I think we can agree that 99.9% of gun owners are like you and think that they would not shoot their own family.

How are you better?

My argument is that bullshit you love to spout is the same as don't take the dryer in the shower stickers and don't open the plane door when it's moving signs....just about everything on earth makes your life more dangerous if you are a fuckn retard.

I'm better cuz I'm not a moron.
I'm better cuz I train and take guns serious.
I'm better cuz I've run every drill you can in my own home so I know how to move in it and my lines of sight.I'm better because 20 years of carrying my own and 40 years of having one in the home has left me pretty comfortable with them. I'm better cuz I'm of sound mind and lastly I'm better because I follow all the rules of operating a firearm. Rules like be aware of your target and what's beyond, Rules like don't play with it , Rules like everytime you break from your cheek hit that safety switch , Rules like treat every gun like its loaded and clear it multiple times before cleaning it or messing with parts or passing it to someone else.

And ya know what dude?Not everyone does all that shit. Thats how I know I'm better

 

[SummerStriker]

counterpoint: guns should be chambered. i mean, maybe not all of them... but if all of your guns are unloaded and in holsters in a safe in a bigger safe... they're not going to do you much good when you quickly need one.

when seconds count, why spend them opening safes and loading?

I'm mostly worried about negligent discharges. My revolvers I keep loaded, but when I put my autoloaders away, I clear the chamber and put the magazine back in. I can rack the slide fast enough. I just don't like how light their triggers are. My revolvers basically live in holsters with the triggers covered, so they are double safe.

 

[rob mafia]

I'm mostly worried about negligent discharges. My revolvers I keep loaded, but when I put my autoloaders away, I clear the chamber and put the magazine back in. I can rack the slide fast enough. I just don't like how light their triggers are. My revolvers basically live in holsters with the triggers covered, so they are double safe.

...but i know that one of the semis is a glock. did you change the trigger? you think that's light?

that glock is probably less likely to fire via a drop/etc than the revolvers.

 

[Gutter Chris]

I'm mostly worried about negligent discharges. My revolvers I keep loaded, but when I put my autoloaders away, I clear the chamber and put the magazine back in. I can rack the slide fast enough. I just don't like how light their triggers are. My revolvers basically live in holsters with the triggers covered, so they are double safe.

Thats the right on dude. I only keep one gun in the house with a round in the chamber and it lives in a holster that never leaves my everyday action pants which I always have on or are folded on the nightstand next to me but either way that weapon Is always under my control

 

[Gutter Chris]

...but i know that one of the semis is a glock. did you change the trigger? you think that's light?

that glock is probably less likely to fire via a drop/etc than the revolvers.

I too think glocks have a stiff trigger and with that second safety trigger in there makes it very hard to have a drop accident or discharge when picking it up.

To be extra safe my personal rule is to actually handle every gun like a glock. Never ever grab one with a finger in that guard ya know.

Far as handguns go I really like to keep it to glocks or revolvers so that everything I do is pretty much the same. You can think clearly when you are at the range but if you are doing it live with an elevated heart rate your hands are likely going to fall into old habits. I would get killed if I had to trust my life to a 1911 ya know what I mean? All the extra steps to draw and fire that and the 2 safeties and the cock are not in my muscle memory at all.

 

[SummerStriker]

...but i know that one of the semis is a glock. did you change the trigger? you think that's light?

that glock is probably less likely to fire via a drop/etc than the revolvers.

Supposedly there is an internal safety in my newer revolvers that makes them drop safe. I have two glocks, a 34 and a 43, and a pair of snub nose revolvers. I didn't modify the glocks, but they are so light that I would be able to pull the trigger by absentmindedly closing my hand. Not that I'm testing this, but I think the revolvers require a concentrated effort to fire. It seems unlikely I'd close my grip with 11 pounds of pressure without trying.

 

[HomeCheese]

I think it is kinda a cheaters dilima. People who don't own guns have an unearned degree of safety because it isn't necessarily clear to passersby that they are unarmed. If the odds of any given household being unarmed increased, so to would the danger.

So you think people that walk by you on the street wonder if you are packing?

Where do you like to hang out man?

 

[HomeCheese]

It’s called a gun safe try to stay up on the advancements in technology @HomeCheese

Do you disagree with the statistics?

Having a gun in the home makes the people there less safe. Why is this hard for you to comprehend?

 

[SummerStriker]

So you think people that walk by you on the street wonder if you are packing?

Where do you like to hang out man?

In general, I mean, for the average household.

 

[HomeCheese]

so what, you're just a statistic?

and more likely to be shot... but less likely to be raped, stabbed, kidnapped, robbed, beaten, etc? but i guess none of that matters.

Interesting take. Do you have information to back this up?

 

[rob mafia]

I too think glocks have a stiff trigger and with that second safety trigger in there makes it very hard to have a drop accident or discharge when picking it up.

it's pretty much impossible to drop fire, due to design.

Do you disagree with the statistics?

Having a gun in the home makes the people there less safe. Why is this hard for you to comprehend?

"less safe"

 

[rob mafia]

Interesting take. Do you have information to back this up?

...do i have info that armed victims are less likely to be raped/beaten/robbed/kidnapped/etc?

is this a real question?

are you actually this stupid?

 

[Gutter Chris]

counterpoint: guns should be chambered. i mean, maybe not all of them... but if all of your guns are unloaded and in holsters in a safe in a bigger safe... they're not going to do you much good when you quickly need one.

when seconds count, why spend them opening safes and loading?

I think if you have children or someone in the house who is a moron you have to be a bit more vigilant with that. Like it's OK to have one ready to rock but it has to be under control at all times.

I keep one ready to go that's pretty much on or near me at all times

I keep 2 in the bedroom that just need to be racked, both of those are attached to my carrier Someone is always home but if not I do put those up too.

Everything else is in the safe. I don't like to keep guns anywhere where if someone broke in they would have any kind of access to it before I might even be aware of them. But I also have a beagle and pitbeast so even coming into my yard let alone house isn't going to be easy and chances are I'm going to be aware of someone pretty quickly.


And a thought I just had typing that last bit for @HomeCheese ..3 people live with me and even in the dark if I hear something I don't like and get up to check it out another thing that is going to aid me in not just shooting someone if I see them moving around in the dark is how my dogs are reacting to them. If it's just swishing tails and heh heh heh heh and not grrrrr and no swish swish at all I know damn well that shadow in the dark is either my wife or 2 friends. Good judgement and being aware of your surroundings...more gun safety rules I follow.

 

[HomeCheese]

Take suicides out and try again

Why? Because it doesn't fit your narrative? LOL! You can't pick and choose the numbers. Further, do you have statistics that prove your point? I'd suggest that taking out suicides still won't screw the numbers in your favor.

Anywho, the numbers are very clear: If there is a gun in the home someone living there is more likely to be shot.

 

[HomeCheese]

My argument is that bullshit you love to spout is the same as don't take the dryer in the shower stickers and don't open the plane door when it's moving signs....just about everything on earth makes your life more dangerous if you are a fuckn retard.

I'm better cuz I'm not a moron.
I'm better cuz I train and take guns serious.
I'm better cuz I've run every drill you can in my own home so I know how to move in it and my lines of sight.I'm better because 20 years of carrying my own and 40 years of having one in the home has left me pretty comfortable with them. I'm better cuz I'm of sound mind and lastly I'm better because I follow all the rules of operating a firearm. Rules like be aware of your target and what's beyond, Rules like don't play with it , Rules like everytime you break from your cheek hit that safety switch , Rules like treat every gun like its loaded and clear it multiple times before cleaning it or messing with parts or passing it to someone else.

And ya know what dude?Not everyone does all that shit. Thats how I know I'm better

Yeah, like I thought. You think you are better than the average American gun owner. This is actually not hard to imagine as we generally picture ammo-sexuals as uneducated hillbillies. For your families sake I hope that it is true.

Like I said, I'm sure 99.9% your you gun huggers thinks they are protecting their family. Another 25% think they own a gun to protect the people from the government or an invasion from Mexico.