Fightters that were never the same after a loss?

Get To Da Choppa said:
JDS lost his iron chin after those two fights against Cain. All his losses after that came by knockout
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JDS wasn't ever knocked out. JDS actually has always showed a great chin, and hasn't ever been slept (aka knocked out) in the UFC. Now TKO is a different story, but even against Ngannou he turtled up and Ngannou still landed some shots and still couldn't send him to the shadow realm.
 
Are we ever really the same form one moment to the next?

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StewDogg11 said:
Nah, he was up on the scorecards and the ref (Richard Steele) who was known to be in Don King’s (who promoted Chavez) pocket stopped the fight with 2 seconds left in the last round with Taylor still on his feet after beating the count. Taylor literally wins the fight if Steele doesn’t stop it with 2 seconds left. And of course Taylor wasn’t the same after this fight, that’s what this thread is about. You’re welcome for this history lesson sir. There’s an entire HBO Legendary Nights documentary you can check out if you want to go more in depth on this controversial fight.
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Literally one more punch could have ruined his life. He was half dead. I love a good conspiracy as much as the next person but that was a good stoppage.
Jesus today people would claim it came too late.
Chavez was gifted some ridiculous scorecards in fights, although I have no issue with this stoppage.
He was done
 
James Vick. He was never that good but before losing to Justin he was 9-1 in the UFC and after losing to him he went 0-3 in the UFC and retired after losing another fight in some unknown organization.
 
Bj Penn took Joe Stevensons soul
 
Oldman1 said:
Still salty over that brutal Head Kick?
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Nope congrats to Gabriel well deserved. I was never salty just traumatized when it happened I was like 18. But Mirko destroyed his forehead in the rematch.
 
jeff7b9 said:
I wonder if it haunts his soul wondering if the outcome would have been different if TJ were a clean fighter.

Both stoppages were very late, rounds 4 and 5 I believe.

I feel like TJ was winning the whole way, but how much of that was his help via Mexican supplements?
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Barao was one of those guys who never looked the same after USADA
 
Sadly Carlos Condit after he was robbed of his world title against Lawler.

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The fire went out after that.
 
Chris Weidman after Rockhold

#still my boy

and Anderson after Weidman.
 
StewDogg11 said:
Nah, he was up on the scorecards and the ref (Richard Steele) who was known to be in Don King’s (who promoted Chavez) pocket stopped the fight with 2 seconds left in the last round with Taylor still on his feet after beating the count. Taylor literally wins the fight if Steele doesn’t stop it with 2 seconds left. And of course Taylor wasn’t the same after this fight, that’s what this thread is about. You’re welcome for this history lesson sir. There’s an entire HBO Legendary Nights documentary you can check out if you want to go more in depth on this controversial fight.
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I guess the guy was trying to do a hot take by saying "definitely won". Chavez officially won, because the ref waved it off and that's what went into the official record.

But everyone knows that it's on a technicality, 999 times out of a 1000, a different referee not paid by Don King, Taylor wins that fight. What referee would wave off a title fight with two seconds left and the boxer standing 10 feet away from the opponent?
 
mirellale said:
James Vick. He was never that good but before losing to Justin he was 9-1 in the UFC and after losing to him he went 0-3 in the UFC and retired after losing another fight in some unknown organization.
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James Vick, I legit forgot about that guy.. lol
Good times
 
Hector Lombard after going for a low percentage leg lock on Magny when he had top position.

Probably one of the dumbest decisions that lead to a fighter never being the same again up there with Weidman's wheel kick but probably worse cause Lombard was clearly ahead while Weidman might have been behind but had the momentum.
 
jeff7b9 said:
I don't enjoy seeing any fighter take that much damage.

Even an arrogant or obnoxious fighter.

(I don't have strong feelings for Joe Warren)

That ref should have had his license pulled permanently that night before he left the cage. That was absurd. Warren turned away at least twice and was held up by the cage and being hit for a long time. If Curran would have just stopped hitting him I think he would have crumbled in a heap.
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There were a couple of interviews that rubbed me the wrong way and I was a lot younger.
 
You have a chicken or egg argument with these. Was it the one loss or were they going over the cliff anyway?

Valentina started going over the cliff in her previous fight, then went totally over the cliff in her last fight. I think she will start losing every time she fights the best- Erin will tool her on the ground.

That seems to be a phenomenon of MMA- fighters don't so much gradually decline; they suddenly go over a cliff; it seems to happen to the elite a lot. Chuck, Fedor, JDS, CC, Tony, Penn, Anderson, etc. all suddenly hit a point where they either lost every fight or could only beat very minimal competition.

The smart folks who got out before this are Amanda and GSP. It's important to know when to quit.
 
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Skarsgard said:
There were a couple of interviews that rubbed me the wrong way and I was a lot younger.
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I get it.

I just never got emotionally invested enough.

I feel like you almost need to love something first to "hate" it. If you have no feelings either way, it can't really hurt you or affect you.

But I can 100% see how younger cocky Joe Warren would rub some folks the wrong way.

And goddamn did that ref do him dirty.

Here is another terrible one.

Ref: Herb Dean

Khalib Murtaliezev vs CB Dollaway

Herb Dean Accessory to attempted murder

 
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