Fights/fighters where you suspect loaded gloves

[KAZSoliloquy]

I’m talking about the damage done to his face and the fact that he took a knee - have you seen any fights like that? Miguel is a tough SOB, letting himself be counted out suggests something wasn’t right that night

plus the infamous “torn wraps” photo

 

[PHATV]

I prefer barbed wire aka the stinger

"Yeah, they don't let ya use that no more"

 

[chiefwiggum]

Tito Trinidad 147-154.

I mean there’s no basis to it other than he almost refused to fight before the Hopkins fight due to a problem with his gloves.

but his power was brutal for a handful of years.

 

[Mendacious]

Tito Trinidad 147-154.

I mean there’s no basis to it other than he almost refused to fight before the Hopkins fight due to a problem with his gloves.

but his power was brutal for a handful of years.

I forgot the specifics but he wrapped his hands in a certain way that is legal in some states but not others. Nazeem Richardson himself stated that Tito cannot be compared to Marg because he wasn’t loading, he just did something not legal in NYSAC

 

[Yacob]

Jack Dempsey- he simply did too much damage to Willard when he won the title. Broken ribs, teeth, eye socket, cheek bone.

100% myth.

People saw Willard a day later and he had a bruised eye and was fine.

I don't think he even chipped a tooth....

 

[Fluffernutter]

0:04

You can see Dempsy's hands exposed without gloves on.

If his hands were loaded, wouldn't that have been done out of view?

Both men had their gloves put on while in the ring.

 

[Fluffernutter]

Tito Trinidad 147-154.

I mean there’s no basis to it other than he almost refused to fight before the Hopkins fight due to a problem with his gloves.

but his power was brutal for a handful of years.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-2004-09-30-0409300298-story.html

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article17202.html


"The two-week delay wasn’t the only development that threw Trinidad off his game and may have helped transform him from the 3½-to-1 favorite he was listed as to an underdog when the bell actually rang. On the night of the fight, September 29th, in the dressing room, Hopkins’ assistant trainer, Naazim Richardson, was watching Felix Trinidad Sr. wrap his son’s hands and objected to the way he was layering tape and gauze. Richardson believed the amount of material on Trinidad’s knuckles exceeded legal limits. And the New York Commission member present agreed that the handwraps did not meet the state’s standards, so the Trinidads had to re-wrap his fists."

http://fromthevault.hbo.com/hopkinstrinidad#fight-night


FWIW:

Pre Handwrap gate: Tito was 40-0 (33)
Post Handwrap gate: 2-3 (2)

 

[soggyfist]

plus the infamous “torn wraps” photo

If you look where the stain on the pad lines up it's pretty conclusive IMO.

 

[Mario040481]

I'll never not believe that Margarito was cheating against Cotto, Cintron, and a bunch of others. I can actually even pinpoint the fight after which i think he started cheating. I remember watching Margarito going life and death against a very good but not so tough Daniel Santos over 12+ rounds. And he actually didn't dish out much damage in those fights. Then all of a sudden he shows up against Cintron and them guys and is smashing their faces up. Very suspicious.

Pacquiao is the total opposite. He's a speed freak with 7 inch wrists. Makes sense that he can bang. And the fact that he's only busting welterweights up and not KO'ing them makes me less suspicious.

Regarding Mr. Pac Man, as was/is often brought up, often by Lampley and sometimes Steward, it certainly never hurt matters that his calves are a damn near physical birth defect

 

[Uptown Swinger]

Paulie Malignaggi

 

[Hook2daliver]

I watched the first cotto vs margacheato fight and you can tell the way margarito was punching cotto that something was off, if you watch closely how soft cheato was punching and making cotto retreat its fishy.

 

[Foppa21]

/snip

Manny Pacquaio- before the Margarito fight (the irony, I know), Margaritos trainer complained to the commission (sketchy Texas) that Manny was “stacking” the tape on his hands. Stacking is a illegal wrapping technique where you basically make knuckles with the tape. The damage on Margaritos eye was out of the ordinary for a boxing fight. His eye was completely fucked, it ruined his career and he still looks fucked up to this day. You just don’t see that kind of damage from just boxing gloves. He also made Cotto look like he had gone through a blender.

/snip

Manny landed so many punches on Margarito how do you tell? Surely accumulation counts for something. I remember Manny landing 8-9 punch combos late in the fight.

 

[Mario040481]

As another poster recently stated, or I believe it was recent, Nazim Richardson has, and I have seen this interview on YT myself, that the wraps originally put on Trinidad were legal in many states, if not most. Trinidad had only fought in new york 3 times previous. Also, which is important to note, he said that in Vegas/Nevada the wraps would have been A-OK. Basically, it was just rule difference most arent aware of. also like the other commenters said, he made it a point to say that there was zero comparison between the two situations, Margarito and Trinidad

 

[Seano]

100% myth.

People saw Willard a day later and he had a bruised eye and was fine.

I don't think he even chipped a tooth....

Jack Kearns admitted to loading Dempsey's gloves and that has been disputed by some but I have never heard of the injuries not being real. Dempsey was landing clean and at will at a near defenseless Willard.

 

[HandNoise]

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-2004-09-30-0409300298-story.html

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article17202.html


"The two-week delay wasn’t the only development that threw Trinidad off his game and may have helped transform him from the 3½-to-1 favorite he was listed as to an underdog when the bell actually rang. On the night of the fight, September 29th, in the dressing room, Hopkins’ assistant trainer, Naazim Richardson, was watching Felix Trinidad Sr. wrap his son’s hands and objected to the way he was layering tape and gauze. Richardson believed the amount of material on Trinidad’s knuckles exceeded legal limits. And the New York Commission member present agreed that the handwraps did not meet the state’s standards, so the Trinidads had to re-wrap his fists."

http://fromthevault.hbo.com/hopkinstrinidad#fight-night


FWIW:

Pre Handwrap gate: Tito was 40-0 (33)
Post Handwrap gate: 2-3 (2)

The hell are you talking about? Tito was never a 160lber by any means & we know how far up Hopkins went on to go in weigh. It’s been explained many times, there was nothing illegal about the wraps it just wasn’t legal in NY, your going to argue Robert fucking Garcia who not only debunked this and said he prefers to wrap his fighters this way but actually trained Vargas for the Tito fight. He’s the last person that should be speaking up for Tito ffs.

 

[Mario040481]

Jack Kearns admitted to loading Dempsey's gloves and that has been disputed by some but I have never heard of the injuries not being real. Dempsey was landing clean and at will at a near defenseless Willard.

Via http://coxscorner.tripod.com/dempsey_gloves.html very interesting read:
In an interview on July 7, the Kansas City Times announced that Jess and his wife were leaving Toledo and driving their car back to Lawrence, Kansas that day. His condition seemed to be fine. "The swelling over his left eye had entirely disappeared and the only mark he bore was a slight discoloration over the eye and a cut lip." ("Willard starts for Home," Kansas City Times, July 8, 1919, p.10).

Another reporter interviewed Jess in Chicago on his way home. "Hello, Jess" said the reporter, "How do you feel ?" "Hello," said Willard, "I'm feeling great. Would you like to spar a few rounds ?" (Kansas City Star, July 10, 1919, p. 10).

Later, according to a reporter for the Topeka Daily Capital, July 16, 1919, p. 8, who interviewed Jess when he got back to Lawrence, "The ex-champion didn't have any black eye, nor any signs that he was injured in any way."

 

[Mario040481]

I am new so I don't know why it would do this but I tried to edit the prev comment I just posted, the one linking to the Willard article, and I am not allowed to post it with the edits I made. Anyway, what I was wanting to say is that on the 1st page of this thread is a comment of mine where I am referring to this article. The quoted portion is but a tiny portion of it.

 

[Seano]

Via http://coxscorner.tripod.com/dempsey_gloves.html very interesting read:
In an interview on July 7, the Kansas City Times announced that Jess and his wife were leaving Toledo and driving their car back to Lawrence, Kansas that day. His condition seemed to be fine. "The swelling over his left eye had entirely disappeared and the only mark he bore was a slight discoloration over the eye and a cut lip." ("Willard starts for Home," Kansas City Times, July 8, 1919, p.10).

Another reporter interviewed Jess in Chicago on his way home. "Hello, Jess" said the reporter, "How do you feel ?" "Hello," said Willard, "I'm feeling great. Would you like to spar a few rounds ?" (Kansas City Star, July 10, 1919, p. 10).

Later, according to a reporter for the Topeka Daily Capital, July 16, 1919, p. 8, who interviewed Jess when he got back to Lawrence, "The ex-champion didn't have any black eye, nor any signs that he was injured in any way."

Meh, his own manager, Dempsey himself and Willard all say otherwise. All of those in that link are second or third hand stories.

 

[Mario040481]

[QUOTE="HandNoise, post: 157587635, member: 555051"...it just wasn’t legal in NY[/QUOTE]
Exactly, and as mentioned a few times now, Richardson himself has stated....actually, let's have Richardson tell us the story
He also goes into much more detail here... http://www.fighthype.com/news/article17202.html

 

[Mario040481]

Meh, his own manager, Dempsey himself and Willard all say otherwise. All of those in that link are second or third hand stories.

They both entered the ring with no gloves on. But, I do concede that promoters tend to be the most honest people in the sport, and certainly aren't so low as to create a whole fabrication on account of a partnership ending in lawsuits etc