Fighters bench press

[Eater of Souls]

No not really my point is pretty accepted as a general fact.
If you half squat what someone atg squats you're not just as strong cause the weight is the same.
Its the same thing with the arch in benching.
You take that huge arch off that 13 year old girl she couldn't bench 185, pressing 2 inches isn't the same as pressing 12 inches, simple shit.

Again, that lift would not have passed in competition.

She moved the bar more than 2 inches.

Must you lie about everything?

 

[shortlefthook]

Again, that lift would not have passed in competition.

She moved the bar more than 2 inches.

Must you lie about everything?

But yet you claim they are just as strong cause the weight is the same but the lift wouldn't even count!
You're a walking contradiction, you do cheat curls in the squat rack

 

[Hard Charger]

What are some of the ufc fighters bench press numbers look like ? I know Brock put up 225 42 Times I've heard wandys max was around 280-285 . So what have you guys heard or confirm ?

If Wandy only did 285 it's because he never spent time bench pressing.
I'm sure if he did he could put of 315 in no time...easy

 

[Curly Peibce]

I think there's video of Palhares doing impressive numbers.

 

[Eater of Souls]

But yet you claim they are just as strong cause the weight is the same but the lift wouldn't even count!
You're a walking contradiction, you do cheat curls in the squat rack

I said the girl in the video did not give a lift that would pass in the meet. Show me where I compared her to someone else?

I did not.

You do not understand the difference between strength and ROM. (and I did not think I had to point out that the lift had to conform to certain standards - otherwise known as rules, since we are discussing powerlifting - to count.)

Powerlifting has rules, and assuming a lift conforms to them, it is a good lift. However it gets done. Rather like no one will complain about the stride length of a runner assuming he crosses the finish line first, except possible his coach. A half squat will not pass any more than - get ready for it - only going half way down on the bench. This is why your half squat analogy fails. A squat must break parallel, a bench must touch and pause on the chest.

Your concern is range of motion, which you confuse with strength. Again, strength is measured by 1RM (that is both the accepted definition in both sport and research). Work, however, is something else, and someone shoving the same weight farther is doing more work. That also is not in dispute, even though you - and only you - keep confusing the two.

Let me give you an example:



Look how short his ROM is. He is only doing half the ROM of others in his weight class. Yet it still counts, and no one measures how far he shoved the bar because his lift conformed to standards.

 

[shortlefthook]

I said the girl in the video did not give a lift that would pass in the meet. Show me where I compared her to someone else?

I did not.

You do not understand the difference between strength and ROM. (and I did not think I had to point out that the lift had to conform to certain standards - otherwise known as rules, since we are discussing powerlifting - to count.)

Powerlifting has rules, and assuming a lift conforms to them, it is a good lift. However it gets done. Rather like no one will complain about the stride length of a runner assuming he crosses the finish line first, except possible his coach. A half squat will not pass any more than - get ready for it - only going half way down on the bench. This is why your half squat analogy fails. A squat must break parallel, a bench must touch and pause on the chest.

Your concern is range of motion, which you confuse with strength. Again, strength is measured by 1RM (that is both the accepted definition in both sport and research). Work, however, is something else, and someone shoving the same weight farther is doing more work. That also is not in dispute, even though you - and only you - keep confusing the two.

Let me give you an example:



Look how short his ROM is. He is only doing half the ROM of others in his weight class. Yet it still counts, and no one measures how far he shoved the bar because his lift conformed to standards.

Um the same girl in the video is the same girl in photo that was "girl A".
you know, the girl you just said was a strong as girl b.
But yet you also said that lift wouldn't count...
Hnmm seems like you're proving my point.
Cause you can cheat lift the same weight as someone doesn't mean you're just a strong.
Oh rom and strength dont go hand and hand remind me why you need to to parrelell while squating or why the bar needs to touch the chest while benching.
You contradict yourself more and more

 

[Eater of Souls]

Um the same girl in the video is the same girl in photo that was "girl A" you know the girl you just said was a strong as girl b.
But yet you also said that lift wouldn't count...
Hnmm seems like you're proving my point.

I said the lift in the video would not count.

Not the picture. I rarely comment on pictures of lifting because you never know when the picture was captured relative to the overall lift. I did comment that should both lifts conform to standards, then it is simply a matter of 1rm = strength. That is the definition of the world of strength, the world of strength and conditioning, and the world of research. Apparently all of these people in the real world upset you. If you have that much trouble with reality, I do not know what to tell you.

And, of course, you ignore everything else I posted. Again. Because you have no answer for it.

 

[shortlefthook]

I said the lift in the video would not count.

Not the picture.

And, of course, you ignore everything else I posted. Again. Because you have no answer for it.

The form is exactly the same!!
Lmao you have no clue about anything

 

[Eater of Souls]

The form is exactly the same!!
Lmao you have no clue about anything

The form is the same. Read the rest of what I posted. Do you need me to use smaller words or type more slowly?

 

[akimbo187]

This thread has diverged into a bro science argument, expected on sherdog

 

[shortlefthook]

The form is the same. Read the rest of what I posted. Do you need me to use smaller words or type more slowly?

Less paragraphs would be great, look man im done arguing with you, if you think arching the fuck out of your back like that girl does makes you just as strong as a legit lift then thats on you.
I disagree, thats my stance many people share the same view, it falls under ego lifting.
You clearly dont agree, so leave it at that.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Um the same girl in the video is the same girl in photo that was "girl A".
you know, the girl you just said was a strong as girl b.
But yet you also said that lift wouldn't count...
Hnmm seems like you're proving my point.

No, read the full text of what I actually wrote.

Cause you can cheat lift the same weight as someone doesn't mean you're just a strong.

If you are doing it within the rules it is not cheating.

Oh rom and strength dont go hand and hand remind me why you need to to parrelell while squating or why the bar needs to touch the chest while benching.

Standards. They are arbitrarily established for points of reference. Rather like why one must run 100 meters to get a time in the 100 meters. Without rules and context there is no competition.

If it was about ROM then the bench stroke would be measured and factored it. It is not done in competition. It is done when comparing mechanical work.

ou contradict yourself more and more

I have not contradicted myself. Is there anything else you would like to lie about?

 

[Eater of Souls]

Less paragraphs would be great, look man im done arguing with you, if you think arching the fuck out of your back like that girl does makes you just as strong as a legit lift then thats on you.

If it passes in a competition, it is a legit lift.

I disagree, thats my stance many people share the same view, it falls under ego lifting.
You clearly dont agree, so leave it at that.

You said a bunch of other stuff that was wrong and untrue, though. I suppose now you are admitting you were wrong.

Great.

 

[shortlefthook]

If it passes in a competition, it is a legit lift.



You said a bunch of other stuff that was wrong and untrue, though. I suppose now you are admitting you were wrong.

Great.

That girls lift wouldn't pass, therefore shes not as strong as girl B, therefore.you're wrong and im right, but whatever makes you feel better, you clearly have a ego since you defend ego lifting

 

[Eater of Souls]

That girls lift wouldn't pass, therefore shes not as strong as girl B, therefore.you're wrong and im right, but whatever makes you feel better, you clearly have a ego since you defend ego lifting

I do not defend ego lifting. I do not even like powerlifting, for the record.

You cannot judge a lift from a picture. Apparently you are not intelligent enough to recognize this. At what point in the lift was the picture taken at? We do not know, therefore we cannot (or should not) comment on it.

A video is much easier to judge. Of course, if you have shown anything in this shit show of a thread, it is that you do not need things like facts, knowledge or reality as long as you can keep talking out your ass.

Anything else you would like to be wrong about?

 

[shortlefthook]

I do not defend ego lifting. I do not even like powerlifting, for the record.

You cannot judge a lift from a picture. Apparently you are not intelligent enough to recognize this. At what point in the lift was the picture taken at? We do not know, therefore we cannot (or should not) comment on it.

A video is much easier to judge. Of course, if you have shown anything in this shit show of a thread, it is that you do not need things like facts, knowledge or reality as long as you can keep talking out your ass.

Anything else you would like to be wrong about?

I clearly said if they both press 225 at that arch whos stronger you said the same.
And there's a video for that pic she presses at that arch.
Is this the point where you admit you where wrong?
Because my sole point was about overexagerated arch not something that would be considering legal at a meet.
So like i said you're wrong

 

[KlLLEmAll]

Fighters would have an above average bench press naturally. Their constantly working out upper body muscles.

 

[Eater of Souls]

I clearly said if they both press 225 at that arch whos stronger you said the same.

Yes, I did. I should not have needed to say that the lift needed to pass in competition. Particularly given how many other times I mentioned this, and standards.

And there's a video for that pic she presses at that arch.

The video was not done at a meet.

Is this the point where you admit you where wrong?

When I am actually wrong. See several times where I mentioned the lift had to conform to standards. I did not think I need to re-type it every time.

Because my sole point was about overexagerated arch not something that would be considering legal at a meet.
So like i said you're wrong

That was not your sole point, and you are lying once again. Do you want me to quote all of the other points you tried to unsuccessfully make?

How can you even stand yourself when your life is so pathetic you are reduced to lying like an errant child online?

 

[Wadtucket]

Alec Gufftalson said in an interview that he sucks at bench pressing and maxed out at 90 kg / 198 lbs

 

[shortlefthook]

Yes, I did. I assumed I did not need to say that the lift needed to pass in competition.



The video was not done at a meet.



When I am actually wrong. See several times where I mentioned the lift had to conform to standards. I did not think I need to re-type it every time.



That was not your sole point, and you are lying once again. Do you want me to quote all of the other points you tried to unsuccessfully make?

How can you even stand yourself when your life is so pathetic you are reduced to lying like an errant child online?

I said benching with a slight arch or flat back is the real benching.
Powerlifting meets will accept a flat back or slight arch, not what she was doing thats not a proper bench press, argue all you want, you're still wrong