Fighters bench press

[Ken Fresno]

girl b

girl A

If they both max 225, girl b has more functional strength.
She doesn't need an excessive arch to put that weight up, her strength will transfer over to the mat more.

Its like arguing that half squats are more beneficial than atg squats, minimal arch means more rom, more arch less rom, less functional strength.
Functional strength means you're strong in all different patterns of movement and rom, when you're only strong at benching with an excessive arch you are stuck in a fixed pattern strenght which isn't as functional.
You can cry all day you're still not right.

Bench press is useless. Frying pans aren't that heavy.

 

[Timetravel_0]

Why are people so obsessed with bench press? So stupid. Ive heard this all my life. How much you bench bro, how much you bench bro?? Like who gives a shit? Why is there not as much hype around how much you can curl or deadlift or any other exercise? Its not even a good measure of total functional strength. Its only a measurement of the strength of your pecs, triceps and delts in that specific and extremely limited range of motion. Absolutely no reason for the hype.

Do you even lift bro?

 

[giancaakos54]

Except for weightlifters. Benching shortens and tightens the shoulder muscles and that severely limits putting anything over 300 pounds+ over your head.

Weightlifters still bench press, all of them. It's talked about because everyone can relate to it.

 

[shortlefthook]

No, they both are bench pressing 225. Again, refer to my squat example.



Prove it. Support it with an actual reference.



No one has said that. Refer to my actual squat example. You fail to understand that people with different leverages will have different strength curves.



No, that it is not what it means. One of the many things you are wrong about and keep ignoring. Furthermore, you ignored my posting that many powerlifters who bench with an arch get stronger in other pressing movements - and do so with less injuries (and I support this with actual references and studies)



Except powerlifters who arch are not stuck in a fixed pattern, no matter how much you wish to lie and say this.



If by crying, you mean point out how you are wrong, support my points with references and studies, and still wait for you to actually back up your statements with anything other than horse shit, yes, I guess I was crying.

Are you trolling me?

Oh okay you have no idea what you're talking about, that makes sense, so they both are just as strong, even though one needs to create less rom to complete the lift?
https://www.t-nation.com/training/fake-strength-stop-arching-the-bench-press
Read the article and learn something, if you throw both of then on a incline bench i gurantee the one with less arch is a stronger presser on the incline

 

[Dana_is_your_GOD]

This must be why the injury rate in powerlifting is lower than the injury rate in bodybuilding (study by Hamill, BP -rates of injury on sports). And I love the use of "functional strength" as if powerlifters who arch do not get stronger at other movements. That is the most over-used and incorrectly applied term in training. While I am not a fan of powerlifting, the proper arch used in weightlifting decreases the opening of the AC joint and, assuming you bring the bar lower on your chest, encourages proper rotation of the joint. And there is a limit to how wide you can grab the bar in powerlifting (81cm/32") which is not all that wide. Of course it looks wide when a tiny middle-school child does it, but an actual adult, not so much.

Do u even lift bro?

 

[shortlefthook]

No, they both are bench pressing 225. Again, refer to my squat example.



Prove it with an actual reference

I gave you the article but heres a paragraph from the article itself.


However, if your bench press is only awesome when you arch like a contortionist and is much less with normal technique, that ability will not transfer well to other activities, either in the gym and on the field.

This is one reason why Charles Poliquin favors the close-grip bench as a measure of strength. Along with having a greater transference to what athletes do in sports, the close-grip bench press has less room for tricks like taking a super-wide grip or arching your back, both of which can embellish actual performance.

Hmmm benching with a big arch creates less functional strength, wow thats what i have been saying this whole time, what a shocker..
Im sorry but you're clearly a non lifting moron

 

[Eater of Souls]

Oh okay you have no idea what you're talking about, that makes sense, so they both are just as strong, even though one needs to create less rom to complete the lift?
https://www.t-nation.com/training/fake-strength-stop-arching-the-bench-press
Read the article and learn something, if you throw both of then on a incline bench i gurantee the one with less arch is a stronger presser on the incline

Strength is measured one way: 1 repetition maximum

I already pointed out why that article was shit, but you ignored it.

Go read things like the Science and Practice of Strength Training by Zatsiorsky. Then try and learn.

While I am at it, since you ignored it:

shortlefthook said: ↑
Wrong, the bench includes the biceps for stabilization, the lats during the negative of a bench press.
So we have delts, biceps, chest, back.. That's every upperbody muscle group smashed into one compound excercise.
Powerlifting bench press bullshit aside,.when you keep your ass flat on the bench its a great measure of upperbody strength.

I pointed out how this is wrong, and linked to a study. Do you care to comment?

shortlefthook said: ↑
Flat back is the real bench imo, a slight arch is okay, however you look like the chick in that video you're not working any functional strength.
If anything you're going to tear a pec by grabbing the bar super wide and arching your back to a extreme so you have less room to press but your stressing your joints far more.

I referenced a study that showed you were wrong here as well. Do you care to comment?

If you keep a flat back or with a minimal arch and bench at shoulder width apart, you build functional strength that can actually translate to mma or wrestling.

I have continually pointed out how your use of the term functional is wrong. Do you care to comment?

You wont find any fighters benching like powerlifters, because the goal is functional strength not putting up the most weight.

I gave examples of fighters who do. Do you care to comment?"


Please respond as I have shown how you were wrong in all of these examples. And, unfortunately for you, things such as "functional strength" and "strength" have accepted definitions. You do not get to change them to suit yourself.

Do you care to address any of the points where you are so clearly wrong?

 

[Eater of Souls]

I gave you the article but heres a paragraph from the article itself.


However, if your bench press is only awesome when you arch like a contortionist and is much less with normal technique, that ability will not transfer well to other activities, either in the gym and on the field.

Of course, this remains false. Check out the guys from Westside, or Boss Barbell Club, or any powerlifting gym.

This is one reason why Charles Poliquin favors the close-grip bench as a measure of strength. Along with having a greater transference to what athletes do in sports, the close-grip bench press has less room for tricks like taking a super-wide grip or arching your back, both of which can embellish actual performance.

Interesting, as he has said the exact opposite, and deferred to Louie Simmons, who favors a wide grip, both in print and in seminars.

Hmmm benching with a big arch creates less functional strength, wow thats what i have been saying this whole time, what a shocker..
Im sorry but you're clearly a non lifting moron

I am sorry, but you continue to use a terrible article as support, continue to be wrong, and continue to call me names for some reason, and I have no idea why.

Please address all of the points I have raised in a previous post. I can keep re-posting them if you wish.

 

[TheAgent025]

Lefthook I agree with you , the arch is cheating and illegal in comp for a reason . I've flat benched my whole life never injured myself and am pretty strong I can do sets with 225 usually 4set of 8 for flat bench . I always thought the arch was a b.s. way to look stronger than you really are . Either way great convo and debate really enjoyed reading both sides thanks guys for input . But still I wonder what these guys are working out with .

 

[AndrewGolota48]

Jimmy Ambriz and Dan Bobish look like they could move some weight bro wit dem stereotypical powerlifter bodies.

 

[STEVEN SEAGOLD]

@shortlefthook
This is "powerlifting form" which is really the basic Strength and conditioning bench form

This is bodybuilding bench press form

 

[shortlefthook]

Strength is measured one way: 1 repetition maximum

I already pointed out why that article was shit, but you ignored it.

Go read things like the Science and Practice of Strength Training by Zatsiorsky. Then try and learn.

While I am at it, since you ignored it:



I pointed out how this is wrong, and linked to a study. Do you care to comment?


I referenced a study that showed you were wrong here as well. Do you care to comment?


I have continually pointed out how your use of the term functional is wrong. Do you care to comment?


I gave examples of fighters who do. Do you care to comment?"


Please respond as I have shown how you were wrong in all of these examples. And, unfortunately for you, things such as "functional strength" and "strength" have accepted definitions. You do not get to change them to suit yourself.

Do you care to address any of the points where you are so clearly wrong?

How is that article shit?
If your one rep max is the same as someone with more rom, you're weaker point blank, you haven't proved shit you're just a moron with zero real life experience

 

[Eater of Souls]

Do u even lift bro?

Yep. Weightlifting. Never the greatest, as it was always secondary to other sports. At the last gym I trained at full time, there were some really good powerlifters. The only problem here is that this guy not only has no clue, he keeps spouting the same errors as if, when repeated enough, they become correct.

And, of course, when I point out where he is wrong, he just ignores it. So I suspect I am getting trolled and will shortly put him on ignore.

 

[shortlefthook]

@shortlefthook
This is "powerlifting form" which is really the basic Strength and conditioning bench form

This is bodybuilding bench press form

I agree with what you're saying we had a misunderstanding.
A slight arch is better.
However do you agree with eater of souls does a huge arch mean.you can bench just as much and you're just as strong, cause last i checked shortning the rom creates less functional strength.

""However, if your bench press is only awesome when you arch like a contortionist and is much less with normal technique, that ability will not transfer well to other activities, either in the gym and on the field.

This is one reason why Charles Poliquin favors the close-grip bench as a measure of strength. Along with having a greater transference to what athletes do in sports, the close-grip bench press has less room for tricks like taking a super-wide grip or arching your back, both of which can embellish actual performance."

 

[Eater of Souls]

How is that article shit?
If your one rep max is the same as someone with more rom, you're weaker point blank, you haven't proved shit you're just a moron with zero real life experience

More name calling. Lovely. Your parents must be so very proud of you.

I gave you numerous examples of why it was wrong, and cited one of the best powerlifting coaches in the world. And I never said I proved anything. I said "supported." More dishonesty on your part. You have no idea what I have done in the real world, but you will also comment on that based on ignorance.

You really base your opinions on nothing, and resort to insults when you are show to be wrong. Grow up.

 

[Eater of Souls]

I agree with what you're saying we had a misunderstanding.
A slight arch is better.
However do you agree with eater of souls does a huge arch mean.you can bench just as much cause according to him, it does.

If both people bench the same amount, they are benching the same amount.

How hard is that?

Strength has an accepted definition: 1rm.

That is it. Changing things to suit yourself for some reason changes nothing with respect to how things are actually done.

 

[shortlefthook]

More name calling. Lovely. Your parents must be so very proud of you.

I gave you numerous examples of why it was wrong, and cited one of the best powerlifting coaches in the world. And I never said I proved anything. I said "supported." More dishonesty on your part. You have no idea what I have done in the real world, but you will also comment on that based on ignorance.

You really base your opinions on nothing, and resort to insults when you are show to be wrong. Grow up.

You keep saying.how you disproved what i said but cant actually disrpove anything?
Show me how that article is shit and go.

 

[Bones245n4847]

I hope most fighters can atleast bench teh 275. I would hope most lhw and he can bench tree fiddy doe.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Weightlifters still bench press, all of them. It's talked about because everyone can relate to it.

I competed (never a world beater) in weightlifting for years. The first five or so years, I never benched. I think I did it once or twice a year for the next few years. Always had to focus on other things. I know plenty of weightlifters, including ones who are better than me, that never bench.

I know other weightlifters who do. It really comes down to the needs of the individual. As I always had to work on the pull-under to catch effectively, benching was the last thing I needed. A few guys with stability issues in the jerk worked the bench with the same grip they jerked with pretty regularly.

But I do agree that it is easily the most common lift.

 

[Eater of Souls]

You keep saying.how you disproved what i said but cant actually disrpove anything?
Show me how that article is shit and go.

I have posted things twice already. How many times are you going to ignore it?

Fine, give me a minute. You remind me of why I never had children.