Fence grabs should be legal

[StonedLemur]

He consistently makes some really strange and dumb arguments. Like his post about bragging about predicting Islam vs Green cause he.... talked about Greens "small hips"... Just...

This fuckin guy is not even in the ballpark anymore... he's screaming from the parking lot sir lol.

 

[StonedLemur]

Mister hips strikes again.

Lmfao

 

[Sweater of AV]

This guy is really serious lol.

I think there are actually quite a few people that value seeing a specific style be successful over seeing who is the best. Most don't admit it though. Even more don't suggest fence grabs as the solution.

 

[StonedLemur]

I think there are actually quite a few people that value seeing a specific style be successful over seeing who is the best. Most don't admit it though. Even more don't suggest fence grabs as the solution.

I mean why not just watch something like kickboxing, BKFC, boxing that don't have wrestling?
Instead he wants the whole sport changed because his favorite fighter sucks at TDD lol.

 

[felmmando]

Allow fence grabs - at least, allow them for a period of time - maybe like a few seconds at a time, no holding on for dear life. Or, if you have a better idea for balancing the wrestler/striker matchup, I'm all ears.

Why is this balance desirable? It's mixed martial arts--the fighters who develop a complete set of skills will have an advantage, and that's the way it should be. If grappling is more effective than striking, let the fighters learn to grapple.

 

[felmmando]

No good wrestlers at FW. Khabib was the champ then retired, now Islam is likely champ at LW.

Yeah, after he beat Bobby Green, it's hard to imagine any opponent in the top ten prevailing against Islam.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

I think there are actually quite a few people that value seeing a specific style be successful over seeing who is the best. Most don't admit it though. Even more don't suggest fence grabs as the solution.

'Seeing who's the best' is a fallacy. There will always be a best given a certain ruleset. There is no such thing as 'best' absent a ruleset.

And different rulesets have different effects on the balance between styles. The current set advantages elite wrestlers. A different one could have more parity between elite wrestlers and elite strikers with good grappling.

Elite wrestlers like Khabib and Islam are rarely taken out of their comfort zone. They rarely absorb serious blows. And if everyone in the sport became like them, it would be boring as hell.

I want a sport where elite strikers could thrive. Where there is no such thing as a surefire strategy, only immense skill, cardio, strength, and will.

 

[Sweater of AV]

'Seeing who's the best' is a fallacy. There will always be a best given a certain ruleset. There is no such thing as 'best' absent a ruleset.

And different rulesets have different effects on the balance between styles. The current set advantages elite wrestlers. A different one could have more parity.

Yes of course, but these have been the unified rules for a long time. More importantly, in almost any realistic form of MMA certain skillsets will have an advantage. And you're not a fan of those skillsets. Moulding the rules to accommodate your feelings isn't a viable solution.

If you can put more thought into a rule change than allowing fence grabs though then I might take you seriously.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

Yes of course, but these have been the unified rules for a long time. More importantly, in almost any realistic form of MMA certain skillsets will have an advantage. And you're not a fan of those skillsets. Moulding the rules to accommodate your feelings isn't a viable solution.

If you can put more thought into a rule change than allowing fence grabs though then I might take you seriously.

Lol, your pseudointellectual know-it-all-ism isn't fooling me.

Your logic is shabby. We don't keep laws static because "they've been the laws for a long time". When new situations come along and test the existing set of laws/rules, they are often revised to better reflect the values that were meant to undergird them. That is a normal and good process.

I'm expressing a preference that is pretty widely held. Wrestlefucking, while impressive in a sense, is boring. And at the elite level, you don't want one style to have all the advantages. More parity makes for more exciting fights. Put the wrestler in a bit of danger, don't make it a wrestling clinic.

You may not agree with my preference, and thus with my view that a rule change is needed, but don't sit here and make some kind of gobbledeegook answer that this type of thing isn't acceptable under any possible situation.

And again with the fence grabs, that was one possible solution. There are other possible ones. The idea is balance, the actual rule change could be anything.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Lol, your pseudointellectual know-it-all-ism isn't fooling me.

Your logic is shabby. We don't keep laws static because "they've been the laws for a long time". When new situations come along and test the existing set of laws/rules, they are often revised to better reflect the values that were meant to undergird them. That is a normal and good process.

I'm expressing a preference that is pretty widely held. Wrestlefucking, while impressive in a sense, is boring. And at the elite level, you don't want one style to have all the advantages. More parity makes for more exciting fights. Put the wrestler in a bit of danger, don't make it a wrestling clinic.

You may not agree with my preference, and thus with my view that a rule change is needed, but don't sit here and make some kind of gobbledeegook answer that this type of thing isn't acceptable under any possible situation.

And again with the fence grabs, that was one possible solution. There are other possible ones. The idea is balance, the actual rule change could be anything.

Trying to use big words and failing with logic isn't going to change reality. The unified rules aren't changing because you're bored with dominance right now.

You're not doing anything besides whining. If you want entertainment then head to WWE. If you want to see the best fight each other then you should be campaigning for seeing that. In no way, shape or form should the rules be changed to accommodate people because they are deficient in a martial art and can't hang with the best.

If you're upset with "wrestlefucking" then you should be campaigning for rules that force more action and position advancement. Not fence grabs.

 

[StonedLemur]

Trying to use big words and failing with logic isn't going to change reality. The unified rules aren't changing because you're bored with dominance right now.

You're not doing anything besides whining. If you want entertainment then head to WWE. If you want to see the best fight each other then you should be campaigning for seeing that. In no way, shape or form should the rules be changed to accommodate people because they are deficient in a martial art and can't hang with the best.

If you're upset with "wrestlefucking" then you should be campaigning for rules that force more action and position advancement. Not fence grabs.

You have great cardio sir, I was just letting him punch himself out LMAO.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

Trying to use big words and failing with logic isn't going to change reality. The unified rules aren't changing because you're bored with dominance right now.

You're not doing anything besides whining. If you want entertainment then head to WWE. If you want to see the best fight each other then you should be campaigning for seeing that. In no way, shape or form should the rules be changed to accommodate people because they are deficient in a martial art and can't hang with the best.

If you're upset with "wrestlefucking" then you should be campaigning for rules that force more action and position advancement. Not fence grabs.

Lol, my opinion of you keeps dropping with every subsequent post. I already dropped my insistence on the fence grab pages ago, and simply asked people if they had any other solutions. Why do you keep bringing it up as if I'm married to it?

And just because I don't control the rules, I shouldn't voice an opinion on them? What?

And you keep talking about the "best" as if that's something that exists on its own, or really you seem to be implying that the current unified rules determine who the "best" is since they've been long-standing (which is completely arbitrary), so we shouldn't change the rules lest we lose sight of who the best is. This is literally retarded. There is no best, there's only rulesets and best given a ruleset. How can you say 'Best Given Ruleset A' is categorically better than 'Best Given Ruleset B'?

I'm suggesting a rule change to change the dynamics in a sport. It's a perfectly legitimate thing to do. People discuss rule changes all the time for all sports. Agree or not, it's pretty straightforward what I'm doing. Jeez man, you need to take a nap or something.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Lol, my opinion of you keeps dropping with every subsequent post. I already dropped my insistence on the fence grab pages ago, and simply asked people if they had any other solutions. Why do you keep bringing it up as if I'm married to it?

And just because I don't control the rules, I shouldn't voice an opinion on them? What?

And you keep talking about the "best" as if that's something that exists on its own, or really you seem to be implying that the current unified rules determine who the "best" is since they've been long-standing (which is completely arbitrary), so we shouldn't change the rules lest we lose sight of who the best is. This is literally retarded. There is no best, there's only rulesets and best given a ruleset. How can you say 'Best Given Ruleset A' is categorically better than 'Best Given Ruleset B'?

I'm suggesting a rule change to change the dynamics in a sport. It's a perfectly legitimate thing to do. People discuss rule changes all the time for all sports. Agree or not, it's pretty straightforward what I'm doing. Jeez man, you need to take a nap or something.

I'm fine with your opinion of me dropping. Actually, that's comforting considering the level of your intelligence

I'm glad you've finally decided to drop fence grabs. Hopefully you've realized how stupid that really is.

I've already stated they are the best within the unified rules. And those rules aren't changing because you can't stop shitting your diapers.

Speaking of naps, you should take them more often. It will help you actually think clearly.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

I'm fine with your opinion of me dropping. Actually, that's comforting considering the level of your intelligence

I'm glad you've finally decided to drop fence grabs. Hopefully you've realized how stupid that really is.

I've already stated they are the best within the unified rules. And those rules aren't changing because you can't stop shitting your diapers.

Speaking of naps, you should take them more often. It will help you actually think clearly.

Again, we're on a karate forum. Of course no one here is changing anything. But that doesn't mean we're not entitled to an opinion. The fact we're not changing the rules is completely irrelevant in this context. The rules can be changed, and that's all that matters.

And I didn't 'finally' decide to drop it, I dropped it on page 3, if you cared to read the thread. The key idea behind the thread is balance - which you disagree with, because you have this static concept of what the 'best' fighter is.

90% of what you wrote in this thread is worthless. The fence grab issue had already been resolved by the time you got going here. The only novel thing you contributed was essentially that you don't think the rulesets should be changed to benefit a certain style. Fine. That's your opinion. You can run along now.

 

[HavokHarmon]

I think they should be legal in terms of its part of the Octagon and environment

but im pretty sure its illegal because they dont want someone breaking a finger in the fence and having to stop the fight Jones toe style

Yeah it’s just an injury thing. I agree that it should be legal in terms of general fairness but I could definitely see a big uptick in people breaking fingers when they’re unable to get them out of the cage quickly enough during a grappling exchange so I’m ok with it as it is.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Again, we're on a karate forum. Of course no one here is changing anything. But that doesn't mean we're not entitled to an opinion. The fact we're not changing the rules is completely irrelevant in this context.

And I didn't 'finally' decide to drop it, I dropped it on page 3, if you cared to read the thread. The key idea behind the thread is balance - which you disagree with, because you have this static concept of what the 'best' fighter is.

90% of what you wrote in this thread is worthless. The fence grab issue had already been resolved by the time you got going here. The only novel thing you contributed was essentially that you don't think the rulesets should be changed to benefit a certain style. Fine. That's your opinion. You can run along now.

I'm not reading your discussions with other people. Again, what's important is you've realized how stupid that is.

I'd say most of what I've written would actually be quite useful for you if you had the capacity to understand it. Alas, that's not the case.

Enjoy your crusade to end your boredom. I suggest non-MMA related avenues. WWE for instance.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

I'm not reading your discussions with other people. Again, what's important is you've realized how stupid that is.

I'd say most of what I've written would actually be quite useful for you if you had the capacity to understand it. Alas, that's not the case.

Enjoy your crusade to end your boredom. I suggest non-MMA related avenues. WWE for instance.

Well you only made one novel point, and it's pretty straightforward. But you could have saved us all the trouble and just said 'i don't like that, unified rules are teh best'.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Well you only made one novel point, and it's pretty straightforward. But you could have saved us all the trouble and just said 'i don't like that, unified rules are teh best'.

See, I told you that you don't have the capacity to understand.

I didn't say the unified rules are the best. Far from it actually. My point is under any realistic ruleset, certain martial arts will be more emphasized. And those martial arts make you shit your diaper in anger

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

See, I told you that you don't have the capacity to understand.

I didn't say the unified rules are the best. Far from it actually. My point is under any realistic ruleset, certain martial arts will be more emphasized. And those martial arts make you shit your diaper in anger

No shit, and all I'm saying is I would like to change the emphasis - which is a perfectly legitimate suggestion that people all the world make for every sport imaginable.

Are you really trying to pretend your profound points you made on a karate forum are beyond comprehension?

 

[Sweater of AV]

No shit, and all I'm saying is I would like to change the emphasis - which is a perfectly legitimate suggestion that people all the world make for every sport imaginable.

Are you really trying to pretend your profound points you made on a karate forum are beyond comprehension?

Apparently they are difficult for you to understand because you're clearly too stupid state my points properly.



Again, moulding the rules to end your diaper shitting and keeping you entertained isn't going to happen. No amount of fence grabbing is going to change that