Fence grabs should be legal

[Paolo Delutis]

Except a striker is spending every second on the feet shitting his pants wondering when the next TD attempt is coming - the wrestler even has the advantage on the feet!

No..some strikers could be panicking but that's because there not prepared or mentally weak...

Most strikers are looking for an opening on a wrestler...coming in

The fact is Neither art is enough in the game today...

A pure wrestler can't get it done...See Masvidal vs Askren...

And

A pure striker can't get it done either..

This is MMA its about mixing the Martial arts nothing is stopping strikers from learning great TDD defense ..weve seen this before look at Chuck Liddell he wasnt shitting his pants against wrestlers he was HUNTING them

 

[g*r*b]

The reason cage grabs were made illegal in the first place was that people like Tank Abbott were using them to trap opponents against the cage indefinitely. A lot harder to break away from the blubber pressing against you if they're holding the cage! Trust me, if you want to promote exciting striking you do NOT want to see that come back into the picture.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

That's not true at all, also what does post USADA have to do with it?

Lol.. are you joking? Hard to even take you serious at this point.

It's harder to hold down a juiced up freak with ridiculous cardio before he lays some hands on you, that's what USADA has to do with it.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

So sounds like Stikers have just as much of an advantage.

Also Robert Whittaker is an Australian national champ, Izzy managed to develop enough skills to negate that

Robert Whittaker is not a wrestler. FFS, I still hear people on here claiming Yoel is this amazing wrestler. Maybe he WAS at some point. Not in many years.

And no, the elite wrestlers are mostly concentrated at LW and WW. Nothing to do with any kind of advantage.

 

[PicoPulse]

Yeah that's a fair point. But really as well it would be a bad spectacle to see someone hanging onto the fence to avoid a TD, rather than sprawling or whatever.

Wed have one guy clawing the cage from bottom trying to get up and top guy is using the fence to push back down. I wonder who it would favor more, it could change where favorable grappling takes place

Also cage top moves fuck it I wana see Gaethje moonsault someone

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Robert Whittaker is not a wrestler. FFS, I still hear people on here claiming Yoel is this amazing wrestler. Maybe he WAS at some point. Not in many years.

So the rules should change because of Islam alone? So far you have only mantioned one active guy on the roster?

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

So the rules should change because of Islam alone? So far you have only mantioned one active guy on the roster?

Usman and Islam. The two divisions where the elite wrestlers are concentrated, both have elite wrestlers as champ. You could throw Khamzat's name in there probably, though we need to see more from him.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Usman and Islam. The two divisions where the elite wrestlers are concentrated, both have elite wrestlers as champ. You could throw Khamzat's name in there probably, though we need to see more from him.

Yan, Volk, Fig, Izzy, Francis

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Usman and Islam. The two divisions where the elite wrestlers are concentrated, both have elite wrestlers as champ. You could throw Khamzat's name in there probably, though we need to see more from him.

So 2 guys? Lol ok.

And if those two divisions are concentrated with elite wrestlers, then what's the issue?

 

[mangokush]

Strikers should actually how to wrestle
If it is too hard for them then should go compete in kickboxing instead of MMA

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Lol.. are you joking? Hard to even take you serious at this point.

It's harder to hold down a juiced up freak with ridiculous cardio before he lays some hands on you, that's what USADA has to do with it.

It's also harder to not get taken down by a juiced up freak with ridiculous cardio lol

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

So 2 guys? Lol ok.

Well my whole point is that it's unbalanced at the highest level. And there are only so many guys at the highest level, period, and even fewer who are specialists.

 

[Carrotman23]

This is such weirdo logic, I've never seen someone try to make an argument like this

He consistently makes some really strange and dumb arguments. Like his post bragging about predicting Islam vs Green cause he.... talked about Greens "small hips"... Just...

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

It's also harder to not get taken down by a juiced up freak with ridiculous cardio lol

Yea, but then you can muscle out of positions and still have KO power. Not post-USADA, you wrestle for one round with these guys and your arms are shot.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Well my whole point is that it's unbalanced at the highest level. And there are only so many guys at the highest level, period, and even fewer who are specialists.

Unbalanced at the highest level of two division? That's a reason for a rule change? Ok lol.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

Unbalanced at the highest level of two division? That's a reason for a rule change? Ok lol.

Why not? If there aren't many wrestlers in other divisions, it won't affect them. Use your brain pls before trying to reflexively disagree with me.

 

[Sweater of AV]

No. You don't change the rules every time someone with a successful style comes along. That stunts the development and evolution of the athletes and sport. It would have to be something completely ridiculous in order to consider a significant rule change.

Fence grabs is actually one of the worst ways to deal with this. A significant percentage of the fight will be along the fence and both will be using them.

 

[Sticko]

Usman and Islam. The two divisions where the elite wrestlers are concentrated, both have elite wrestlers as champ. You could throw Khamzat's name in there probably, though we need to see more from him.

If the rules make it so easy for wrestlers to dominate, then there should be more people dominating fights with their wrestling.

Instead the only champs with a wrestling background are Usman and Aljamain Sterling. And lately at least, it seems Usman prefers to keep it standing. His striking has gotten a lot better. As for Aljo, he got outwrestled in his last fight by Petr Yan, who is primarily a boxer.

Wrestling is only a magical cheat code if your wrestling is MUCH better than your opponent's. Islam is just on a different level, brother.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

He consistently makes some really strange and dumb arguments. Like his post about bragging about predicting Islam vs Green cause he.... talked about Greens "small hips"... Just...

I guess it's some weird trolling thing, I don't know how you would even think of stuff like this

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

No. You don't change the rules every time someone with a successful style comes along. That stunts the development and evolution of the athletes and sport. It would have to be something completely ridiculous in order to consider a significant rule change.

Fence grabs is actually one of the worst ways to deal with this. A significant percentage of the fight will be along the fence and both will be using them.

So your solution is to give a built in advantage to people with a certain style. Eventually people are going to learn, and then the UFC is going to turn into the Ultimate Wrestleboxing Championship.