Fence grabs should be legal

[StonedLemur]

Well the wrestler has pretty much all the advantages here. At the highest level, they even have the striking advantage since the striker is worried about the TD, and can't strike.

There has to be something that can be done.

I really believe you don't think shit through before you write it.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

If the rules make it so easy for wrestlers to dominate, then there should be more people dominating fights with their wrestling.

Instead the only champs with a wrestling background are Usman and Aljamain Sterling. And lately at least, it seems Usman prefers to keep it standing. His striking has gotten a lot better. As for Aljo, he got outwrestled in his last fight by Petr Yan, who is primarily a boxer.

Wrestling is only a magical cheat code if your wrestling is MUCH better than your opponent's. Islam is just on a different level, brother.

Well it takes a lifetime to pick up those skills. The current crop can't compete, but the next crop is going to be all wrestleboxers. Eventually every UFC fight will look like Arman vs Islam.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Why not? If there aren't many wrestlers in other divisions, it won't affect them. Use your brain pls before trying to reflexively disagree with me.

Because it's silly. It also gives an advantage to the wrestler. Hard for a sweep or reversal if the wrestler in top position can also hold the fence. Changing the rules because Islam is exceptional is odd.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

I really believe you don't think shit through before you write it.

I really believe you don't have enough thought bouncing around in your skull to write a substantive reply.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

Because it's silly. It also gives an advantage to the wrestler. Hard for a sweep or reversal if the wrestler in top position can also hold the fence. Changing the rules because Islam is exceptional is odd.

Yea people have made that point, the fence grab may not be the best balancing tool. But balance is needed.

 

[Smooth Princess]

Fuck it, make everything legal. Enforcement of the rules is so selective sometimes the chosen ones who get away with absolutely buckwild shit have a huge advantage. We'll be watching a bunch of blind cripples fight by the end of the year but it'll be fair at least.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Looks like the mods balanced this thread by sending to the lightweights

 

[Sweater of AV]

So your solution is to give a built in advantage to people with a certain style. Eventually people are going to learn, and then the UFC is going to turn into the Ultimate Wrestleboxing Championship.

I know you're a newer fan, and have some hilarious ideas that are mostly trolling, but this issue you're discussing actually used to be much bigger. No one has a built-in advantage.

Your main issue should be asking why people that can't defend a takedown to save their life are in the UFC.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

Looks like the mods balanced this thread by sending to the lightweights

It's a shame, I believe we would have eventually come to a point where a good balancing tool for the wrestler/striker matchup was devised -- after the easily excitable folk tired themselves out and left the mature people to discuss the issue.

 

[Oscar Madison]

Too much to unfuck here...

 

[StonedLemur]

I really believe you don't have enough thought bouncing around in your skull to write a substantive reply.

Why the fuck would I waste my time giving a real reply to a guy that thinks fence grabbing should be legal?

You're saying shit like something has to done...like wtf do you think this stupid shit is going to solve son?

What pressing problem does your genius idea actually get rid of?
Wrestlers will use it to stifle strikers and they'll literally never get off the fence you dunce.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

I know you're a newer fan, and have some hilarious ideas that are mostly trolling, but this issue you're discussing actually used to be much bigger. No one has a built-in advantage.

Your main issue should be asking why people that can't defend a takedown to save their life are in the UFC.

Today's elite wrestlers have a million ways to take you down.

This is a serious matter. At the highest levels, in mostly the 155 and 170 lb divisions, the elite wrestler has 1) the striking advantage (since strikers are focused on the TD threat), 2) the cardio advantage (since they wrestle all day every day), and 3) the grappling advantage.

We hardly get to see strikers use their striking in this matchup. How's that fair? We see one guy chasing another guy around, and the second guy struggling in vain to not get grapplefucked.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

Why the fuck would I waste my time giving a real reply to a guy that thinks fence grabbing should be legal?

You're saying shit like something has to done...like wtf do you think this stupid shit is going to solve son?

What pressing problem does your genius idea actually get rid of?
Wrestlers will use it to stifle strikers and they'll literally never get off the fence you dunce.

Well if you read the thread and not just the title, you'd realize that the problem is the elite wrestler/striker matchup. The fence grab was merely a tool to attempt to solve this. People have already made your point.

If you wanted to actually contribute, you could venture another balancing tool. If you could think of one. You don't seem to be in such a creative mood right now. Maybe try taking a nap.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Today's elite wrestlers have a million ways to take you down.

This is a serious matter. At the highest levels, in mostly the 155 and 170 lb divisions, the elite wrestler has 1) the striking advantage (since strikers are focused on the TD threat), 2) the cardio advantage (since they wrestle all day every day), and 3) the grappling advantage.

We hardly get to see strikers use their striking in this matchup. How's that fair? We see one guy chasing another guy around, and the second guy struggling in vain to not get grapplefucked.

The only thing that proves is wrestling is the best base for the sport under this ruleset. However, allowing fence grabs is what a 5 year old comes up with because their favorite style can't compete. Also, as mentioned, fence grabs actually won't help anything.

If "strikers" can't compete in MMA then there's always boxing, kickboxing etc. You also seem to be underestimating the importance of wrestling and grappling. It's been known for a long, long time.

Answer a simple question: Why should there be an even split between the different martial arts? Even in the most primitive forms of fighting, an even split doesn't exist. Some martial arts are just naturally more important than others.

 

[koquerelle]

Mister hips strikes again.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

The only thing that proves is wrestling is the best base for the sport under this ruleset. However, allowing fence grabs is what a 5 year old comes up with because their favorite style can't compete. Also, as mentioned, fence grabs actually won't help anything.

If "strikers" can't compete in MMA then there's always boxing, kickboxing etc. You also seem to be underestimating the importance of wrestling and grappling. It's been known for a long, long time.

Answer a simple question: Why should there be an even split between the different martial arts? Even in the most primitive forms of fighting, an even split doesn't exist. Some martial arts are just naturally more important than others.

Entertainment. If you don't balance, every elite fight will look like Arman vs. Islam.

 

[StonedLemur]

Entertainment. If you don't balance, every elite fight will look like Arman vs. Islam.

Grappling is part of this thing dummy.
Maybe you should stick to bum fights or BKFC son.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Entertainment. If you don't balance, every elite fight will look like Arman vs. Islam.

1. The UFC has been accommodating entertainment far more than they already should be. I'd be happy if they went in the opposite direction of what you're suggesting. I want to see the best compete, not the latest stand and bang Contender Series products.

2. That's not true. There was a time when the consensus was that great wrestlers only needed basic submission and striking skills in order to be the best. That changed many times over the years. People get caught up in the moment. Makhachev has been successful but the sport will evolve. Relax and enjoy it.

 

[StonedLemur]

Except a striker is spending every second on the feet shitting his pants wondering when the next TD attempt is coming - the wrestler even has the advantage on the feet!

And that's because lack TDD.
Wow you're incredibly thick son.

 

[StonedLemur]

1. The UFC has been accommodating entertainment far more than they already should be. I'd be happy if they went in the opposite direction of what you're suggesting. I want to see the best compete, not the latest stand and bang Contender Series products.

2. That's not true. There was a time when the consensus was that great wrestlers only needed basic submission and striking skills in order to be the best. That changed many times over the years. People get caught up in the moment. Makhachev has been successful but the sport will evolve. Relax and enjoy it.

This guy is really serious lol.