Fedor Was Only 33yrs old When He lost to Werdum

You're the one that was asking for a ranking with Goodridge in it, you got the ranking with him in it. It's on you now to provide a ranking without him in it.

I do not care if he was ranked or not, I do not care who he fought or who he beat. I replied to you because YOU asked for a ranking with him in the top 10.

And again, you've proven nobody wrong except yourself, so keep crying.

I asked for someone to show me HOW and why he was ranked, on top of asking for an actual ranking with him as top 10. You provided none of that. Fight Matrix generated rankings are not accurate, nor are they actual rankings. You know that. That's why you've avoided questions about Hunt and Randleman. Keep pretending, girl.
 
> hmmm... since you said "MWs" ... you must be includin´Hendo... & nah... he didnt spend "the majority of [his] career at MW"... that´s inaccurate, mate...

> Where did he fight Nagata & why?
Oh, really? Please elaborate how is it inaccurate. And then for Lindland and Sonnen as well, if you will.

Where did he fight Nagata? In Japan, obviously. Why? Because he preffered low-risk fights against shopworn veterans, MWs, freaks and non-fighters throughout his entire career. And that shouldn't be overlooked when we're talking about '33 fights' and shit.
 
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Oh, really? Please elaborate how is it inaccurate. And then for Lindland and Sonnen as well, if you will.

Educate yourself:

kindah tricky...

> BRAZIL OPEN FIGHT 1997: 2 Fights @ 'LW' [80 kg (175 lbs) = WW]

> Rings : 5 fights @ LHW [90 kg (198 lbs)]
> 1st UFC run : 2 fights @ MW/LHW [193 lbs]... UFC´s MW Div. = [170-199.9 lbs] (HW Div.= >200 lbs)
> Pride : 18 fights, & some variation here:
- 5 fights @ MW [Pride´s WW GP] > vs Busta 2: @ 183 lbs
- 13 fights @ LHW [Pride´s MW GP] > vs Kondo : @ 199 lbs / vs Nakamura : @ 195 lbs etc
> 2nd UFC run : 2 fights @ LHW + 3 fights @ MW

> Strikeforce : 1 fight @ MW + 2 @ LHW + 1 @ HW

> 3rd UFC run: 6 fights @ LHW + 5 @ MW

Where did he fight Nagata? In Japan, obviously. Why? Because he preffered low-risk fights against shopworn veterans, MWs, freaks and non-fighters throughout his entire career.

Where... Obviously the Org. ... [sigh]
 
Educate yourself:

And what's that supposed to mean? That Hendo was a heavyweight for the better part of his career? Sorry, but to me Hendo is a MW despite fighting outside his weight class numerous times. Penn faced Machida at HW, that doesn't make him a HW competitor in my book.

What about other middleweights he fought? Were they heavyweights in disguise as well?

Where... Obviously the Org. ... [sigh]

Freak Circus Japan Inc., if I remembered correctly. What about it?
 
And what's that supposed to mean? That Hendo was a heavyweight for the better part of his career? Sorry, but to me Hendo is a MW despite fighting outside his weight class numerous times. Penn faced Machida at HW, that doesn't make him a HW competitor in my book.

What about other middleweights he fought? Were they heavyweights in disguise as well?

Too late to save face, this is what you wrote in your original post:

Any MMA fighter can get 1000-0 beating up sick people who have 50+ and 100+ pounds on them.

Yes, you actually can call middleweights 'middleweights' if they spent the majority of their career at MW, have to gain weight to fight at HW and generally lack frame to do it.

Fedor fought 0-1 Nagata right after winning the PRIDE belt. I.e. the HW MMA Champ, arguably the baddest man on the planet, fought some bum who wasn't even a fighter. That fact alone say it all about fedor's 'legendary' career.

oopzz...too bad, right, mate?...



Freak Circus Japan Inc., if I remembered correctly. What about it?

Well, you obviously dont know the Org., the actors involved in that episode... in short, mate: you dont know what you´re talkin´about.

It iz what it iz.
 
I asked for someone to show me HOW and why he was ranked, on top of asking for an actual ranking with him as top 10. You provided none of that. Fight Matrix generated rankings are not accurate, nor are they actual rankings. You know that. That's why you've avoided questions about Hunt and Randleman. Keep pretending, girl.
So you did ask for rankings with Goodridge in the top 10? Which I provided?

And once again, just so we're clear... I do not give a fuck who be beat or where he was ranked. You asked "and where" at the end of your post, I showed you where. So if you can't find another ranking with Goodridge NOT in the top 10, just shut the fuck up about it. If you can find one, provide your source to back up your claim.

It's really not that hard
 
I'm not basing it on Gary's record alone. He has 0 top 10 wins. Rankings were still rankings, and by 02-04, there was much more consistency to them.

I get what you're saying about Fedor's competition, and there's truth to it, but the one consistent thing about his competition is he faced subpar and unworthy fighters. 33% of that 27 is against top 10 fighters. 66% being unranked, and is the most consistent element to the equation, by double.

Sure, Gary wasn't a high level guy, but he had a top 10 ranking.

I think that 33% is just the circumstances of how he fought in many different promotions. Fighting 67% good competition is still very credible. And we know that Wanderlei, Cro Cop, Big Nog, Shogun, Rampage etc all fought that low level comp. I mean Wanderliei had even more of those guys than Fedor. But that's just cause the level of fighters and organization wasn't there yet.
 
So you did ask for rankings with Goodridge in the top 10? Which I provided?

And once again, just so we're clear... I do not give a fuck who be beat or where he was ranked. You asked "and where" at the end of your post, I showed you where. So if you can't find another ranking with Goodridge NOT in the top 10, just shut the fuck up about it. If you can find one, provide your source to back up your claim.

It's really not that hard

I asked HOW he was ranked. Quote me. I believe my exact words were "Please tell me how in the holy fuck Gary Goodridge was top 10 in 2003". I showed you the sources, his opponents' records, his record, historical rankings, and debunked every strawman narrative you could come up with. You haven't provided a single actual source or ranking showing him ranked, have you? Fight matrix generated rankings are not actual rankings. To be a top 10 fighter, you have to beat a top 10 fighter. Gary did not.

Keep going with your internet pretend time Patty cake bullshit, and tell us again how you don't care.
 
Sure, Gary wasn't a high level guy, but he had a top 10 ranking.

I think that 33% is just the circumstances of how he fought in many different promotions. Fighting 67% good competition is still very credible. And we know that Wanderlei, Cro Cop, Big Nog, Shogun, Rampage etc all fought that low level comp. I mean Wanderliei had even more of those guys than Fedor. But that's just cause the level of fighters and organization wasn't there yet.

He did not have a top 10 ranking anywhere except for fight matrix with their flawed and inaccurate generated rankings. They have him entering at #5 in 2001 after beating Valentijn Overeem, who was not top 10, and it is 100% false and inaccurate.

I posted the historical rankings in 2001. This has all been covered. He was not top 10. Period.

You have the numbers backwards. 33% good competition, 66% unranked and freakshows.
 
I asked HOW he was ranked. Quote me. I believe my exact words were "Please tell me how in the holy fuck Gary Goodridge was top 10 in 2003". I showed you the sources, his opponents' records, his record, historical rankings, and debunked every strawman narrative you could come up with. You haven't provided a single actual source or ranking showing him ranked, have you? Fight matrix generated rankings are not actual rankings. To be a top 10 fighter, you have to beat a top 10 fighter. Gary did not.

Keep going with your internet pretend time Patty cake bullshit, and tell us again how you don't care.

Who did he beat to become top 10? He was 17-13-1 at the time, mind you. How was he ranked in the top 10, and where?

Just so we're clear, this is you and this is you asking where, as in what rankings, is he ranked, correct?

The actual source i used was a ranking from the month before Goodridge fought Fedor. From Fight Matrix, which is the actual rankings from Fight Matrix.

YOU keep saying you debunked things, yet YOU have posted rankings from 2001, 2002, and 2004... not 2003, the year of the fight that's in question. YOU have yet to provide a source that backs up your statement.

And to be a top 10 fighter, you DO NOT have to beat a top 10 fighter.
 
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He did not have a top 10 ranking anywhere except for fight matrix with their flawed and inaccurate generated rankings. They have him entering at #5 in 2001 after beating Valentijn Overeem, who was not top 10, and it is 100% false and inaccurate.

I posted the historical rankings in 2001. This has all been covered. He was not top 10. Period.

You have the numbers backwards. 33% good competition, 66% unranked and freakshows.

He was ranked top 10 on some rankings. Just cause you didn't see it or can't find doesn't change the fact. So just leave it at that.

I don't think those numbers are correct either. Why don't we show some unbiased sense here. He fought 10% freak fights, 50% good competition and 40% unranked. The freak fights are Zulu, Nagata and Choi. The unranked would be all his Rings fights aside Babalu and then guys like Kohsaka, Ogawa, Lindland, Coleman 2nd fight, Goodridge ( I saw him ranked but he wasn't that good so he's with these guys) and the rest is good competition.
 
He was ranked top 10 on some rankings. Just cause you didn't see it or can't find doesn't change the fact. So just leave it at that.

I don't think those numbers are correct either. Why don't we show some unbiased sense here. He fought 10% freak fights, 50% good competition and 40% unranked. The freak fights are Zulu, Nagata and Choi. The unranked would be all his Rings fights aside Babalu and then guys like Kohsaka, Ogawa, Lindland, Coleman 2nd fight, Goodridge ( I saw him ranked but he wasn't that good so he's with these guys) and the rest is good competition.

That's a much more reasonable outlook on it, but still a little favorable towards Fedor.
 
Just so we're clear, this is you and this is you asking where, as in what rankings, is he ranked, correct?

The actual source i used was a ranking from the month before Goodridge fought Fedor. From Fight Matrix, which is the actual rankings from Fight Matrix.

YOU keep saying you debunked things, yet YOU have posted rankings from 2001, 2002, and 2004... not 2003, the year of the fight that's in question. YOU have yet to provide a source that backs up your statement.

And to be a top 10 fighter, you DO NOT have to beat a top 10 fighter.

So, you answered one third of the actual question, and posted the ONLY place you can find him, which is known to be an unreliable and inaccurate source, yet you still believe that you've answered the question or somehow proved he was top 10? That's not reality. That's you being pathetically dishonest, as you have been the entire time.

The actual rankings from 2001 show that Fight Matrix is wrong. That one simple fact that neither he nor Val Overeem were ranked top 10 in 2001 immediately and definitively debunks your entire basis of "proof", right from the start. It shows the error in Fight Matrix's algorithm-generated rankings. Not only is it an error, it's a serious error pitting him as #5. He's somehow ranked over the likes of Barnett, Rizzo, Igor, Fujita, Sperry, and Ricco - without ever having a top 10 win himself. It's WRONG. Plain and simple. Here, again, are the actual rankings from 2001:

1. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
2. Randy Couture
3. Heath Herring
4. Mark Coleman
5. Josh Barnett
6. Pedro Rizzo
7. Igor Vovchanchin
8. Kazuyuki Fujita
9. Mario Sperry
10. Ricco Rodriguez


The actual rankings from 2002 shows that Gary Goodridge was not ranked in 2002 either, further proving you wrong. Yet that just isn't good enough for mama, is it? You want to insinuate that wins over Achmed Labasanov and Lloyd van Dams somehow snuck Gary Goodridge into the top 10 in 2002 because fight matrix said so, even though you know how ridiculous it is to say it outright. So ridiculous, in fact, that you avoid actually saying it. Amirite? Let's also not forget to mention (I haven't previously) that the time between Gary beating 0-0 MMA legend Lloyd van Dams and fighting the #1 HW Fedor, was almost exactly one year. The man beats an MMA newcomer a year before his fight with Fedor, yet somehow still holds his imaginary rank over the actual top 10 fighters? Please tell me how that is possible? Here are the actual rankings from the middle of 2002:

1. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueria
2. Josh Barnett
3. Heath Herring
4. Randy Couture
5. Pedro Rizzo
6. Mark Coleman
7. Ricco Rodriguez
8. Igor Vovchanchyn
9. Mario Sperry
10. Semmy Schilt

Wait, what? No Gary Goodridge? How can that be!?! Omfg! Fight Matrix though, right? So, that's apparently not good enough for you to realize, understand, and accept that Gary Goodridge was not top 10 in 2003, because he faces Lloyd van Dams in August of 2002, so surely that is what finally earned Gary his rank, right? Even though we've already established that Fight Matrix incorrectly put him in the 2001 top 10 in the first place (at #5 nonetheless), and continued to have him incorrectly ranked afterwards (as proven by the actual historical rankings), this still isn't good enough for you. You need to see rankings from August 10th 2003 because nothing else will prove it. You can't use basic logic and problem solving skills to see that Fight Matrix is incorrect or inaccurate, no no no, you need a ranking from August 10th 2003! Nothing else will suffice! Despite the fact that you can't provide an actual ranking August 10th 2003 yourself to show that he was ranked. Unfortunately for me, you're aware that this particular month and year are unavailable, so you will cling onto it like nobody's business, thinking it somehow proves you right. The historical rankings for 2003 show the 205 lbs division because it was the year of the MW GP, and I've yet to find a reliable source to show 2003. We couldn't possibly use our brains and analyze the data that we have to immediately come to the obvious conclusion could we? Nope, not mama! She's so stubborn that it has to be August 10th 2003 or nothing else, even though she can't provide it herself to prove me wrong. Wow, crazy. Let's now look at the end of 2003/ early 2004:

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
3. Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic
4. Tim Sylvia
5. Josh Barnett
6. Andrei Arlovski
7. Heath Herring
8. Mark Coleman
9. Pedro Rizzo
10. Ricco Rodriguez

The actual rankings here, again, show no Gary Goodridge. Weird. So, he held his imaginary rank through two years of fighting unranked fighters and a year of inactivity, but for some strange reason was immediately tossed out of the top 10 after losing to the #1 HW in the world? Why would that make sense? This, of course, is no good for mama either. Remember, she refuses to use her brain and analyze the available data, so if it's not August 10th 2003, it's nothing. She doesn't even care anyway, right? Why is Arlovski in there? Holy shit these rankings are bad! Arlovski was 5-3! HAHAHAHAHA. Oh, wait. He beat Matyushenko, who beat Rizzo, earning them both top 10 spots because they beat top 10 fighters. Mama quickly got off this narrative when a comparison was made against another of Fedor's imaginary top 10 wins with a very similar, but less logical, scenario.

So, there we have it. I really provided nothing of substance, no sources, no rankings, no explanations. I just made all of this up. That's your narrative, right? August 2003 or bust! Fuck, you're good at this, mama.
 
So, you answered one third of the actual question, and posted the ONLY place you can find him, which is known to be an unreliable and inaccurate source, yet you still believe that you've answered the question or somehow proved he was top 10? That's not reality. That's you being pathetically dishonest, as you have been the entire time.

The actual rankings from 2001 show that Fight Matrix is wrong. That one simple fact that neither he nor Val Overeem were ranked top 10 in 2001 immediately and definitively debunks your entire basis of "proof", right from the start. It shows the error in Fight Matrix's algorithm-generated rankings. Not only is it an error, it's a serious error pitting him as #5. He's somehow ranked over the likes of Barnett, Rizzo, Igor, Fujita, Sperry, and Ricco - without ever having a top 10 win himself. It's WRONG. Plain and simple. Here, again, are the actual rankings from 2001:

1. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
2. Randy Couture
3. Heath Herring
4. Mark Coleman
5. Josh Barnett
6. Pedro Rizzo
7. Igor Vovchanchin
8. Kazuyuki Fujita
9. Mario Sperry
10. Ricco Rodriguez


The actual rankings from 2002 shows that Gary Goodridge was not ranked in 2002 either, further proving you wrong. Yet that just isn't good enough for mama, is it? You want to insinuate that wins over Achmed Labasanov and Lloyd van Dams somehow snuck Gary Goodridge into the top 10 in 2002 because fight matrix said so, even though you know how ridiculous it is to say it outright. So ridiculous, in fact, that you avoid actually saying it. Amirite? Let's also not forget to mention (I haven't previously) that the time between Gary beating 0-0 MMA legend Lloyd van Dams and fighting the #1 HW Fedor, was almost exactly one year. The man beats an MMA newcomer a year before his fight with Fedor, yet somehow still holds his imaginary rank over the actual top 10 fighters? Please tell me how that is possible? Here are the actual rankings from the middle of 2002:

1. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueria
2. Josh Barnett
3. Heath Herring
4. Randy Couture
5. Pedro Rizzo
6. Mark Coleman
7. Ricco Rodriguez
8. Igor Vovchanchyn
9. Mario Sperry
10. Semmy Schilt

Wait, what? No Gary Goodridge? How can that be!?! Omfg! Fight Matrix though, right? So, that's apparently not good enough for you to realize, understand, and accept that Gary Goodridge was not top 10 in 2003, because he faces Lloyd van Dams in August of 2002, so surely that is what finally earned Gary his rank, right? Even though we've already established that Fight Matrix incorrectly put him in the 2001 top 10 in the first place (at #5 nonetheless), and continued to have him incorrectly ranked afterwards (as proven by the actual historical rankings), this still isn't good enough for you. You need to see rankings from August 10th 2003 because nothing else will prove it. You can't use basic logic and problem solving skills to see that Fight Matrix is incorrect or inaccurate, no no no, you need a ranking from August 10th 2003! Nothing else will suffice! Despite the fact that you can't provide an actual ranking August 10th 2003 yourself to show that he was ranked. Unfortunately for me, you're aware that this particular month and year are unavailable, so you will cling onto it like nobody's business, thinking it somehow proves you right. The historical rankings for 2003 show the 205 lbs division because it was the year of the MW GP, and I've yet to find a reliable source to show 2003. We couldn't possibly use our brains and analyze the data that we have to immediately come to the obvious conclusion could we? Nope, not mama! She's so stubborn that it has to be August 10th 2003 or nothing else, even though she can't provide it herself to prove me wrong. Wow, crazy. Let's now look at the end of 2003/ early 2004:

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
3. Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic
4. Tim Sylvia
5. Josh Barnett
6. Andrei Arlovski
7. Heath Herring
8. Mark Coleman
9. Pedro Rizzo
10. Ricco Rodriguez

The actual rankings here, again, show no Gary Goodridge. Weird. So, he held his imaginary rank through two years of fighting unranked fighters and a year of inactivity, but for some strange reason was immediately tossed out of the top 10 after losing to the #1 HW in the world? Why would that make sense? This, of course, is no good for mama either. Remember, she refuses to use her brain and analyze the available data, so if it's not August 10th 2003, it's nothing. She doesn't even care anyway, right? Why is Arlovski in there? Holy shit these rankings are bad! Arlovski was 5-3! HAHAHAHAHA. Oh, wait. He beat Matyushenko, who beat Rizzo, earning them both top 10 spots because they beat top 10 fighters. Mama quickly got off this narrative when a comparison was made against another of Fedor's imaginary top 10 wins with a very similar, but less logical, scenario.

So, there we have it. I really provided nothing of substance, no sources, no rankings, no explanations. I just made all of this up. That's your narrative, right? August 2003 or bust! Fuck, you're good at this, mama.
I'm not going to waste my time and read something that doesn't show actual rankings from 2003. Doesn't have to be from August 2003, but just rankings from 2003. You have yet to post them in like 15 pages of this thread.

You asked for someone to provide the rankings, I did provide them. I don't care nor did I make the claim that Goodridge was/wasn't top 10. Now it's your job to provide rankings to dispute what I posted. Rankings from 2001, 2002, and 2004 are completely irrelevant for a fight that took place in 2003.

So in closing, if you can't provide rankings from 2003 to support your claim, just shut the fuck up about it already.
 
. That one simple fact that neither he nor Val Overeem were ranked top 10 in 2001 immediately and definitively debunks your entire basis of "proof", right from the start. .
As expected, poor Fioretti doesnt understand the Rings era & how Valentijn was perceived at the time...
 
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I'm not going to waste my time and read something that doesn't show actual rankings from 2003. Doesn't have to be from August 2003, but just rankings from 2003. You have yet to post them in like 15 pages of this thread.

You asked for someone to provide the rankings, I did provide them. I don't care nor did I make the claim that Goodridge was/wasn't top 10. Now it's your job to provide rankings to dispute what I posted. Rankings from 2001, 2002, and 2004 are completely irrelevant for a fight that took place in 2003.

So in closing, if you can't provide rankings from 2003 to support your claim, just shut the fuck up about it already.

Spoken like a true nerd troll after a serious lashing. I know you read that shit. Every single word of it. Probably twice, trying to search for something to cling onto. You're about as dishonest as it gets, mama.

You established where the first time you posted Fight Matrix. The one and only place you can find where he has ever been listed as top 10, and it was immediately proven to be inaccurate. What about how? Why are you completely disregarding how? "In closing," you were obliterated from the start and are just being a defiant and stubborn child. Stomping your feet, screaming and crying 2003! 2003! You have only shown that you are unreasonable, unrealistic, defiant, stubborn, delusional, and childish. Oh, and you showed a flawed ranking from an algorithm-generated website known for its mistakes. Good job.
 
Spoken like a true nerd troll after a serious lashing. I know you read that shit. Every single word of it. Probably twice, trying to search for something to cling onto. You're about as dishonest as it gets, mama.

You established where the first time you posted Fight Matrix. The one and only place you can find where he has ever been listed as top 10, and it was immediately proven to be inaccurate. What about how? Why are you completely disregarding how? "In closing," you were obliterated from the start and are just being a defiant and stubborn child. Stomping your feet, screaming and crying 2003! 2003! You have only shown that you are unreasonable, unrealistic, defiant, stubborn, delusional, and childish. Oh, and you showed a flawed ranking from an algorithm-generated website known for its mistakes. Good job.
No rankings from 2003? No source?

Shut the fuck up about it, take the multiple L's along the way, and move on.
 
No rankings from 2003? No source?

Shut the fuck up about it, take the multiple L's along the way, and move on.

Little buddy....you have no actual rankings from 2003 either? Source? Ohhhhh....fight matrix, right?

It gives you a fucking disclaimer right on their website about their generated rankings:

"These ranking sets have been generated by a recent version of the software, using recent data and will not match previously published issues of the rankings, especially since a majority of these generated sets are for dates much earlier than the site’s inception."

You know how pathetic and ridiculous you're being. Stop it.
 
Little buddy....you have no actual rankings from 2003 either? Source? Ohhhhh....fight matrix, right?

It gives you a fucking disclaimer right on their website about their generated rankings:

"These ranking sets have been generated by a recent version of the software, using recent data and will not match previously published issues of the rankings, especially since a majority of these generated sets are for dates much earlier than the site’s inception."

You know how pathetic and ridiculous you're being. Stop it.
So you can surely provide a different set of rankings to disprove them, correct?

Either provide the rankings or shut the fuck up about it. It's that simple
 
- saying "they only worked fights pre 99" doesn't negate the fact that there's known works in Rings, and suggests that there's always been works

- they deducted points for knockdowns and rope escapes, which is directly related to their scoring system, and is exactly the type of fuckery I was referring to when I said "funky ass ruleset"

- there was limited ranking systems back then, which I described to you, and nobody considered Rings to be "MMA"

- your internet pretend time Patty cake games are old, Brono. If you can't talk like a big boy, move along.

Brono? Thats the best this professional patty caker can pull off. :eek::eek:
Rings standouts were considered very good fighters in the MMA community listen to their opponents, online sick rat.
 
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