Fedor strengths and weaknesses and his skillset in the UFC today (Long Thread)

Dude Ricco took Nog down at will and Sapp was an absolute can who almost murdered. him
Bob Sapp as a legit litmus test for a GOAT???


amazing




LOL at crocop having better tdd than francis


maybe watch him against an actual mma geappler like gonzaga as opposed to style vs style fossils like coleman. Blaydes is about 40 lbs bigger than coleman and actually knows how to kickbox and hasnt gotten frank down in 2 fights


*****awaits inevitable comparisons of sapp to Feancis and Lewis******



Pride cultists...holy shit...


Ngannou lost to unknown can and lost to Derrick Lewis who wouldn't be a top 5 HW in 2005.

Curtis Blaydes is a poor kick boxer- he got knocked dead by bummy brawler Derrick Lewis and Blaydes was a junior college wrestler. Not on Colemans level. Coleman was D1 and Olympic level.

You big mad.
 
Ngannou lost to unknown can and lost to Derrick Lewis who wouldn't be a top 5 HW in 2005.

Curtis Blaydes is a poor kick boxer- he got knocked dead by bummy brawler Derrick Lewis and Blaydes was a junior college wrestler. Not on Colemans level. Coleman was D1 and Olympic level.

You big mad.


Francis lost his 2nd pro fight 2 weeks after his debut and probably less than 6 months removed from being homeless lol





Coleman lost to Pete Williams dude


The guy was actually proud of being "style vs style" lol
 
Francis lost his 2nd pro fight 2 weeks after his debut and probably less than 6 months removed from being homeless lol





Coleman lost to Pete Williams dude


The guy was actually proud of being "style vs style" lol

Bruh Francis lost to Derrick Lewis who wouldn't be top 5 in 2005 and he was far removed from his homeless days. You're just a shill punching bag who's been stomped with facts so hard that you're out of lies and excuses.
 
Bruh Francis lost to Derrick Lewis who wouldn't be top 5 in 2005 and he was far removed from his homeless days. You're just a shill punching bag who's been stomped with facts so hard that you're out of lies and excuses.



Lewis is the allrime ufc ko leader who ko'd gonzaga---Gonzaga decapitated Mirko.

Lewis has better wins than CroCop...way better.


Both lost to Hunt, mind you. Lewis beat Country, Ilenik and Gonzaga tho. CroCop is 2-3 against them----all finish losses

Can you imagine Lewis vs Minowa, Yoshida, Del Rio, Wanderlei, Fujita, Yamammoto, Oyama, Kanehara, etc???

Those Golden years lmao
Holy shit
 
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Lewis is the allrime ufc ko leader who ko'd gonzaga---Gonzaga decapitated Mirko.

Lewis has better wins than CroCop...way better.


Both lost to Hunt, mind you. Lewis beat Country, Ilenik and Gonzaga tho. CroCop is 2-3 against them----all finish losses

When you get your rat head goodfellas stomped in with facts you resort to desperation and lies as always lol

1. Mirko also beat Gonzaga and Nelson in the rematches.

2. Mirko lost to Hunt when Hunt was in his early 30s and lost by a close, split decision.

3.Lewis lost to a 50 year old Mark Hunt and was walked down and TKOd like a bummy brawler in pathetic fashion.

Levels, son.

Mirko lost to Oleinik and Nelson when he was 40 years old.

Mirko beat peak Barnett which is a better win than Lewis ever had in his whole overrated career. Mirko also beat Wand when Wand was a top 10 P4P fighter in the world.

Those two wins alone are better than any wins Lewis ever had in the UFC.

Nice try but as always this was a very easy stomp. Now go clean your room.
 
When you get your rat head goodfellas stomped in with facts you resort to desperation and lies as always lol

1. Mirko also beat Gonzaga and Nelson in the rematches.

2. Mirko lost to Hunt when Hunt was in his early 30s and lost by a close, split decision.

3.Lewis lost to a 50 year old Mark Hunt and was walked down and TKOd like a bummy brawler in pathetic fashion.

Levels, son.

Mirko lost to Oleinik and Nelson when he was 40 years old.

Mirko beat peak Barnett which is a better win than Lewis ever had in his whole overrated career. Mirko also beat Wand when Wand was a top 10 P4P fighter in the world.

Those two wins alone are better than any wins Lewis ever had in the UFC.

Nice try but as always this was a very easy stomp. Now go clean your room.


50 year old Hunt lol... what was that about facts??


Fact: CroCop has wins over 14 Japanese fighters

Fact: There hasn't been a Japanese fighter aside from Okami who was relevant above LW since TK.


The Golden years lol


Francis and Blaydes both ko barnett
 
Dude Ricco took Nog down at will

The fact that you've abandoned your original argument - which pertained to Nog's TDs - and shifted to an entirely different argument - which pertains to Nog's TDD - indicates to me that you're not equipped to argue with anything resembling logical coherence or rigor. I'll take this as you conceding the point. But to be clear, I'll walk you through what just happened argumentatively speaking. You said that Nog couldn't take Ngannou down because (a) his wrestling is allegedly superior to Nog's and (b) he weighs more than Nog. You said nothing about Nog's TDD. And the reason is obvious: Because just like getting taken down by Ricco was to Nog's advantage - Nog spent the entire fight threatening from the guard with triangles, omoplatas, armbars, and kimuras, hence his victory - Ngannou taking Nog down would be to Nog's advantage. (Even Fedor realized after their first fight how much better Nog's already deadly guard had gotten by the time they fought again in the aborted 2004 GP finals match, hence his decision in the third fight to spend as little time in Nog's guard as possible.) Ignoring your illogical deflection, the point remains: Nog took down plenty of people in his career who were better wrestlers and/or bigger than him. Deflect and evade all you want, your argument has no merit.

Sapp was an absolute can

A can who weighed 375 pounds and who beat the fuck out of the greatest kickboxer to ever live in kickboxing matches...twice.

Bob Sapp as a legit litmus test for a GOAT???

This is a logical fallacy known as strawmanning. In the course of trying to win an argument with me, rather than respond to my actual argument - which, in counter to your claim that Nog couldn't take Ngannou down because Ngannou outweighs him by 30 pounds, was a counterargument in the form of pointing out that Nog was able to take down Sapp who outweighed him by 140 pounds - you invented an argument that I never made - that Nog is the GOAT because he was able to take Sapp down - because it is easier to refute. The problem for you is not only did I never make the case that Nog is the GOAT because he was able to take Sapp down, but I don't even think that Nog is the GOAT. Fedor is.

You're really struggling to keep things together in that little brain of yours, aren't you?

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Yet you bring up Frank losing on the regional scene in his 2nd fight...2 weeks after his debut and thus about 4 months or so after he started training

amazing

So, when it comes to Ngannou, you are willing to consider extenuating circumstances, mitigating factors, etc., but when it comes to Fedor, he just sucks full stop? I see in your subsequent responses that you're even comparing Lewis in his prime to Cro Cop past his prime. To Ngannou and Lewis, you extend benefits of the doubt and attempt to put their best foot forward, but to Fedor and Cro Cop, you extend nothing and attempt only to make them look as bad as possible. This is called a double standard. Yours is showing.

LOL at crocop having better tdd than francis


maybe watch him against an actual mma geappler like gonzaga as opposed to style vs style fossils like coleman. Blaydes is about 40 lbs bigger than coleman and actually knows how to kickbox and hasnt gotten frank down in 2 fights

That "fossil" who you're so quick to disparage had a wrestling career that astronomically dwarfs Blaydes'. In the unlikely event that you'd actually like to learn some facts, you can educate yourself here: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-wrestling/2016/07/72187/mark-coleman-alpha-buckeye.

Also, when you say that Blaydes "hasnt gotten frank down in 2 fights," I have to wonder again if you've actually seen any of the fights that you're talking about with such authority, because he took him down in the first fight, and not once...



...but twice.



*****awaits inevitable deflections, strawmans, evasions, and ignorance******
 
The fact that you've abandoned your original argument - which pertained to Nog's TDs - and shifted to an entirely different argument - which pertains to Nog's TDD - indicates to me that you're not equipped to argue with anything resembling logical coherence or rigor. I'll take this as you conceding the point. But to be clear, I'll walk you through what just happened argumentatively speaking. You said that Nog couldn't take Ngannou down because (a) his wrestling is allegedly superior to Nog's and (b) he weighs more than Nog. You said nothing about Nog's TDD. And the reason is obvious: Because just like getting taken down by Ricco was to Nog's advantage - Nog spent the entire fight threatening from the guard with triangles, omoplatas, armbars, and kimuras, hence his victory - Ngannou taking Nog down would be to Nog's advantage. (Even Fedor realized after their first fight how much better Nog's already deadly guard had gotten by the time they fought again in the aborted 2004 GP finals match, hence his decision in the third fight to spend as little time in Nog's guard as possible.) Ignoring your illogical deflection, the point remains: Nog took down plenty of people in his career who were better wrestlers and/or bigger than him. Deflect and evade all you want, your argument has no merit.



A can who weighed 375 pounds and who beat the fuck out of the greatest kickboxer to ever live in kickboxing matches...twice.



This is a logical fallacy known as strawmanning. In the course of trying to win an argument with me, rather than respond to my actual argument - which, in counter to your claim that Nog couldn't take Ngannou down because Ngannou outweighs him by 30 pounds, was a counterargument in the form of pointing out that Nog was able to take down Sapp who outweighed him by 140 pounds - you invented an argument that I never made - that Nog is the GOAT because he was able to take Sapp down - because it is easier to refute. The problem for you is not only did I never make the case that Nog is the GOAT because he was able to take Sapp down, but I don't even think that Nog is the GOAT. Fedor is.

You're really struggling to keep things together in that little brain of yours, aren't you?

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So, when it comes to Ngannou, you are willing to consider extenuating circumstances, mitigating factors, etc., but when it comes to Fedor, he just sucks full stop? I see in your subsequent responses that you're even comparing Lewis in his prime to Cro Cop past his prime. To Ngannou and Lewis, you extend benefits of the doubt and attempt to put their best foot forward, but to Fedor and Cro Cop, you extend nothing and attempt only to make them look as bad as possible. This is called a double standard. Yours is showing.



That "fossil" who you're so quick to disparage had a wrestling career that astronomically dwarfs Blaydes'. In the unlikely event that you'd actually like to learn some facts, you can educate yourself here: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-wrestling/2016/07/72187/mark-coleman-alpha-buckeye.

Also, when you say that Blaydes "hasnt gotten frank down in 2 fights," I have to wonder again if you've actually seen any of the fights that you're talking about with such authority, because he took him down in the first fight, and not once...



...but twice.



*****awaits inevitable deflections, strawmans, evasions, and ignorance******



Nog struggled to get Sylvia down and was battered before finally doung so...Sylvias footwork looks his legs were switched around lol. Doesnt bode well against Francis


I didnt abandon anything. I was sumply SHOCKED that you would cite the Ricco robbery in defense of Nog lol

I'm an Anerican wrestler dude... you dont gotta tell me about Colemans creds.


Fo watch him shoot desperately at Mo Smith from 6 feet away with no setup


Go watch him plant both palms on the mat behind Fedors head in his guard

colemans also over a decade older than mirko, but that just gets glossed right over


Legit forgot abou those 2 TDs (And 4 seconds ride time) for Blaydes...touche... I guess that Bodes well for Nog lol

Strawman??? Sapp doesnt have a quality mma win and almost murdered him on the first td try

Yea i've used his Hoost wins to discredit k-1 relentlessly lol


Picture him against one of the Klitschkos...or any top 100 boxer
 
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Francis and Blaydes both ko barnett

Lol Francis lost to Derrick Lewis who wouldn't be top 5 in 2005. Lost to him out of fear and sheer mental weakness. Was afraid.

Blaydes got nearly knocked dead by 50 year old Mark Hunt and had to panic wrestle to squeek by.

You accuse Coleman for shooting in for takedowns from way out with no set up but wasnt it Blaydes who shot in from way out with no set up against bummy brawler Lewis when he got knocked dead and got his head uppercutted to the moon?

Lol Blaydes is poor tactician with poor grappling. He couldn't even pass Volkovs guard who's a career Karate guy. He wouldn't have much for peak Barnett.

Keep desperately shilling and gassing up your UFC heros even after you get your head goodfellas stomped in with facts. The desperation is real.
 
Lol Francis lost to Derrick Lewis who wouldn't be top 5 in 2005. Lost to him out of fear and sheer mental weakness. Was afraid.

Blaydes got nearly knocked dead by 50 year old Mark Hunt and had to panic wrestle to squeek by.

You accuse Coleman for shooting in for takedowns from way out with no set up but wasnt it Blaydes who shot in from way out with no set up against bummy brawler Lewis when he got knocked dead and got his head uppercutted to the moon?

Lol Blaydes is poor tactician with poor grappling. He couldn't even pass Volkovs guard who's a career Karate guy. He wouldn't have much for peak Barnett.

Keep desperately shilling and gassing up your UFC heros even after you get your head goodfellas stomped in with facts. The desperation is real.


Yea Blaydes "squeaked" by Hunt 30-26

Lol at your "facts"
 
Yea Blaydes "squeaked" by Hunt 30-26

Lol at your "facts"

Yes, he got a big chunk of his takedowns stuffed by 50 year old Mark Hunt and got nearly knocked out on the feet by him and had to panic wrestle an ancient CTE Hunt to squeek by. The guy you say is a "Great kickboxer"

Lol desperate shill. Go clean your room now.
 
Yes, he got a big chunk of his takedowns stuffed by 50 year old Mark Hunt and got nearly knocked out on the feet by him and had to panic wrestle an ancient CTE Hunt to squeek by. The guy you say is a "Great kickboxer"

Lol desperate shill. Go clean your room now.



I never said he was a "great kickboxer"

Hunt was 44. Not 50. Unless you wanna say Hendo was 46 when he clobbered Fedor lol

Its not panic wrestling when uou're a wrestler brah.
 
I never said he was a "great kickboxer"

Hunt was 44. Not 50. Unless you wanna say Hendo was 46 when he clobbered Fedor lol

Its not panic wrestling when uou're a wrestler brah.

Mark Hunt lost his next 2 fights after losing to Blaydes and retired. Imagine having to panic wrestle him lol.

Hendo beat Shogun after beating Fedor and got a LHW title shot agaisnt Jones.


Levels.

I want that room clean.
 
Mark Hunt lost his next 2 fights after losing to Blaydes and retired. Imagine having to panic wrestle him lol.

Hendo beat Shogun after beating Fedor and got a LHW title shot agaisnt Jones.


Levels.

I want that room clean.


He dropped his next FOUR fights after Fedor---including 2 MWs and Sean McCorkle---as well as the fight just before Fedor...all by first round finish...the closest he came to winning was Fedor lmao


Blaydes is a wrestler. And wrestlers wrestler
 
Nog struggled to get Sylvia down and was battered before finally doung so...Sylvias footwork looks his legs were switched around lol. Doesnt bode well against Francis

Why do you keep imagining scenarios where today's fighters are the best versions of themselves while past fighters are at their oldest and furthest from their best? I wonder if, in 15 years, when you're listening to noobs tell you why Ngannou was an overrated loser who never fought anyone worth a shit and whose skills were rudimentary at best and how the new HW killer would wipe the floor with him based on lesser performances from later in his career, you'll be arguing about how they just don't have an informed sense of history and are incorrectly judging Ngannou's potential based on his performances when he was past his prime.

In any event, the Nog that fought Sylvia was an older, slower, past-his-prime version, so it's not an equal comparison, though even the older, slower, past-his-prime version was still able to become an interim UFC HW champ ;)

I didnt abandon anything.

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I'm an Anerican wrestler dude... you dont gotta tell me about Colemans creds.

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Fo watch him shoot desperately at Mo Smith from 6 feet away with no setup

Let me guess, you also train UFC and could whoop Coleman yourself, right?

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Yea i've used his Hoost wins to discredit k-1 relentlessly lol

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Idiocy is one thing. Your commitment to it is something else. Kudos <45>
 
Cool GIFS...



whole lotta nothin


Fedor was a can crusher


Cheers

The pathetic whimper of a desperate, stomped out rat.


YOU HEAR THAT LITTLE GIRL ACE?


Khabib: "Fedor is the GOAT."

Aldo: "Fedor is the GOAT."

Jon Jones: "Fedor belongs on Mount Rushmore of MMA."

Random toxic loser on sherdog: "Fedor is a can crusher"


<{jackyeah}>
 
Why do you keep imagining scenarios where today's fighters are the best versions of themselves while past fighters are at their oldest and furthest from their best? I wonder if, in 15 years, when you're listening to noobs tell you why Ngannou was an overrated loser who never fought anyone worth a shit and whose skills were rudimentary at best and how the new HW killer would wipe the floor with him based on lesser performances from later in his career, you'll be arguing about how they just don't have an informed sense of history and are incorrectly judging Ngannou's potential based on his performances when he was past his prime.

In any event, the Nog that fought Sylvia was an older, slower, past-his-prime version, so it's not an equal comparison, though even the older, slower, past-his-prime version was still able to become an interim UFC HW champ ;)



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Let me guess, you also train UFC and could whoop Coleman yourself, right?

<{JustBleed}>



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Idiocy is one thing. Your commitment to it is something else. Kudos <45>


Its an mma discussion...Sapp has zero quality mma wins.

Beating Hoost twice diminishes K-1 way more than it elevates Sapp.


Sapps best boxing win/--Refrigerator Perry...best mma win----wtf onows???


best k-1 win---an atg...twice
 
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