Fedor strengths and weaknesses and his skillset in the UFC today (Long Thread)

Delusional? This shit happens in MMA all the time. Did you see Wonderboy’s comments yesterday claiming that Usman won’t be able to fight Edwards, and the UFC is considering Masvidal as a replacement? We’ll see if that shit actually happens, but Masvidal is #11 right now, which is right about where Goodrige was in the summer of 2003. Masvidal isn’t a legit title challenger, but he’s a legit opponent. At the time Goodridge fought Fedor, Goodridge was
4-0-1 in his last 5, and 7-1-1 in his previous 8 fights with the lone loss being to Nog. It was lower level comp he was beating though, but Goodridge was certainly legit.

The reason for fighting Nagata was simple: Fedor was offered more money. PRIDE wanted Fedor to fight NYE, but Inoki offered Fedor a bigger fight purse to fight Nagata. We have MMA fighters trying to fight fucking YouTubers and Disney channel stars and whatever dumb shit for bigger fight purses right now—the only reason Silva or Woodley didn’t do it when they were champs is because they couldn’t. But Fedor had more freedom in his contract than UFC fighters do now. So if he got a better offer, or if PRIDE wasn’t going to book him for a few months, he could go fight in RINGS, or Inoki-Bom-Ba-Ye, or whatever.
Ngannou is UFC HW champ, and he’s been trying to get out of his UFC contract for ages so he can do something for a bigger purse.

It adds nothing to Fedor’s legacy to beat Nagata obviously, but it doesn’t detract from it either imo. It’s a non-factor.

Goddamn

Masvidal isnt 17-13 and off a win over a debuting. fighter.


His last 3 fights were against the 2 top guys

And wtf are you doing comparing retired mma fighters boxing to the top HW in the world fighting a guy with no wns??? Yea its a good thing that UFC doesnt let their champs fight winless fighters dude.


Wow...thats some hero worship dude.


7 non title fights after winning it
 
Goddamn

Masvidal isnt 17-13 and off a win over a debuting. fighter.


His last 3 fights were against the 2 top guys

And wtf are you doing comparing retired mma fighters boxing to the top HW in the world fighting a guy with no wns??? Yea its a good thing that UFC doesnt let their champs fight winless fighters dude.


Wow...thats some hero worship dude.


7 non title fights after winning it
5 PRIDE fights between defenses, with the 5th fight (Ogawa) being the same night.
—It’s not “hero worship,” is a recognition of how JMMA worked at the time. There’s also 5 fights between Wanderlei’s PRIDE title win and 1st defense, and I can’t remember ever seeing anyone shit on him for it. Gomi actually lost a non-title fight, and that’s something that’s really problematic to me—but no one mentions that ever either.

The 5 PRIDE non-title fights for Fedor is totally PRIDE’s doing. When Fedor did return after that Nagata fight, they didn’t even have him defend or unify the belt right away. They booked him and Nog in the Grand Prix, which is where Fedor’s fights with Coleman, Randleman, and Ogawa took place. Again, Coleman and Randleman would’ve been perfectly fine title challengers, but PRIDE didn’t have champs defend titles during tournaments. Neither did Strikeforce during their GP actually.
 
5 PRIDE fights between defenses, with the 5th fight (Ogawa) being the same night.
—It’s not “hero worship,” is a recognition of how JMMA worked at the time. There’s also 5 fights between Wanderlei’s PRIDE title win and 1st defense, and I can’t remember ever seeing anyone shit on him for it. Gomi actually lost a non-title fight, and that’s something that’s really problematic to me—but no one mentions that ever either.

The 5 PRIDE non-title fights for Fedor is totally PRIDE’s doing. When Fedor did return after that Nagata fight, they didn’t even have him defend or unify the belt right away. They booked him and Nog in the Grand Prix, which is where Fedor’s fights with Coleman, Randleman, and Ogawa took place. Again, Coleman and Randleman would’ve been perfectly fine title challengers, but PRIDE didn’t have champs defend titles during tournaments. Neither did Strikeforce during their GP actually.

He's criticizing Fedor for fighting 5 times in one year and smashing a can in his 5th fight that year. One of those fights was against 19-1 World Champion Nog. Two of those fights were against Fujita and Goodridge which were within 8 weeks of eachother.

Imagine what kind of moron you would have to be to criticize a fighter for being active. If Ngannou fought the top contender and crushed two cans in the same year absolutely nobody would criticize him for it.

These rats of sherdog are truly desperate and pathetic.
 
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It's wild that this thread is this long and still going. I've never been on a basketball forum, but I can't imagine there being threads about Magic Johnson's or Michael Jordan's strengths and weaknesses with people shitting on their abilities and accomplishments and denying that they should even be in the GOAT conversation. Or threads on hockey forums about Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux being losers who wouldn't be able to hack it in today's game. I've never understood it, but MMA fans seem to be the most toxic and the most hateful of their own sport's history and the fighters who came before. I can't even imagine boxing fans gleefully shitting on Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano. Yet, there are MMA fans who don't just disagree with considering Fedor the GOAT - which, in a sport that has boasted talents like GSP, Anderson, Jones, DJ, and Khabib, is understandable and arguing about the who is the best of the best is always fun - but who think that he doesn't even deserve to be in the conversation, and who take a perverse pleasure in making that case as ignorantly and obnoxiously as possible.

This is a weird sport with a weird group of fans. Fortunately, however, the person to whom such idiocy matters the least - indeed, to whom it literally doesn't matter - is the man himself.

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There is a lot of toxic, passive aggressive sport history bashing on this forum. There is a handful of people on this forum who go into any Fedor/Pride thread with the intention of disrupting the discussion with passive aggressive fighter bashing. It's toxic af. It's amazing that some of these guys have red belts and over 20k posts on this forum without the mods noticing them or carding them.

Fighter disrespect ≠ Fighter bashing. Ignorance of facts and contempt for history aren't punishable offenses.

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The fan culture around MMA, and many individual fans themselves, just need to grow and mature.
 
Fighter disrespect ≠ Fighter bashing. Ignorance of facts and contempt for history aren't punishable offenses.

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The fan culture around MMA, and many individual fans themselves, just need to grow and mature.

It's not just fighter bashing it's intentional disruption of threads with passive aggressive trolling and Fedor hate. It's more toxic than just being ignorant of facts. It is what it is.
 
It's wild that this thread is this long and still going. I've never been on a basketball forum, but I can't imagine there being threads about Magic Johnson's or Michael Jordan's strengths and weaknesses with people shitting on their abilities and accomplishments and denying that they should even be in the GOAT conversation. Or threads on hockey forums about Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux being losers who wouldn't be able to hack it in today's game. I've never understood it, but MMA fans seem to be the most toxic and the most hateful of their own sport's history and the fighters who came before. I can't even imagine boxing fans gleefully shitting on Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano. Yet, there are MMA fans who don't just disagree with considering Fedor the GOAT - which, in a sport that has boasted talents like GSP, Anderson, Jones, DJ, and Khabib, is understandable and arguing about the who is the best of the best is always fun - but who think that he doesn't even deserve to be in the conversation, and who take a perverse pleasure in making that case as ignorantly and obnoxiously as possible.

This is a weird sport with a weird group of fans. Fortunately, however, the person to whom such idiocy matters the least - indeed, to whom it literally doesn't matter - is the man himself.

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But your mistake is automatically assuming Fedor = Jordan or Magic (NBA) or Gretsky or Lemieux (NHL). Those greats played when their respective sports leagues were 50+ years along in their development....so your analogy is incorrect. Fedor critics are saying that he came along so early in MMA's history and development that he is more like the Bob Cousy (NBA) or Eddie Shore (NHL) of MMA. And no one thinks Bob Cousy is the greatest basketball player of all time. Certainly, no sane basketball fans watched Jordan play while thinking "Bob Cousy from 25 years ago would smoke this fool...Mike Jordan! Baaahhhh!" However, that is exactly what Fedor cultists do on these UFC threads. Fedor, much like Bob Cousey, had his time early in the sport; definitely pioneers. But, I assume Bob Cousy fans could acknowledge that Oscar Robinson, Michael Jordan, etc. advanced the sport. Now, if only Fedor fans could stop living in the past.

Jarl
 
But your mistake is automatically assuming Fedor = Jordan or Magic (NBA) or Gretsky or Lemieux (NHL).

It was neither automatic nor an assumption. It was a judgment based on facts and my eyes. Based on the facts, and based on my eyes, Fedor at his best is the best fighter that I have ever seen fight. If I wanted to play the fantasy ideal/prime fighter game, I think that there have been individual performances by fighters like Ricco Rodriguez against Randy Couture at UFC 39 and Cro Cop in the OWGP finals who give me pause when picking Fedor to beat them...but I still do, because his ability to always win no matter who his opponent was or what happened in the fight was amazing to witness. For the 10 years from 2000-2010, the MMA world got the gift of the greatest fighter to grace the sport. Was Fedor at his best when he was nearly decapitating Arlovski and Rogers? No. But then was Gretzky as good when he was with the Rangers as he was when he was with the Oilers and the Kings? Was Jordan as good in the 1998 playoffs as he was in the 1992 playoffs? No. But that doesn't change the fact that nobody to ever step onto a sheet of ice or a hardwood floor have been able to play the games like Gretzky or Jordan at their best. And no one who has ever stepped through the ropes of a ring or entered a cage has ever been able to fight like Fedor at his best. That's why he's the GOAT.

Those greats played when their respective sports leagues were 50+ years along in their development....so your analogy is incorrect.

Speaking of assumptions, it sounds like you're assuming that the sport of MMA has changed so drastically that we are hardly speaking of the same thing when we talk about Fedor fighting Nogueira on the one hand and Ngannou fighting Stipe on the other. That, however, is patently false. Prime Cro Cop would've kicked Stipe's internal organs out of his body and prime Nogueira would've tapped Ngannou inside of a round.

Fedor critics are saying that he came along so early in MMA's history and development that he is more like the Bob Cousy (NBA) or Eddie Shore (NHL) of MMA. And no one thinks Bob Cousy is the greatest basketball player of all time. Certainly, no sane basketball fans watched Jordan play while thinking "Bob Cousy from 25 years ago would smoke this fool...Mike Jordan! Baaahhhh!"

Speaking of incorrect analogies, it would be more accurate given their dominance, their remaining records, and the esteem that they get from their fellow athletes to cite Gordie Howe or Stan Mikita for hockey and Kareem or Dr. J for basketball. Even improving your attempt to invalidate Fedor's claim to GOAT status, however, I still submit that Fedor is the MJ of MMA, not the Cousy or even the Dr. J.

Now, if only Fedor fans could stop living in the past.

We don't. We just wish that newer fans - or hell, all fans - actually studied and remembered the past so that their opinions, even if contrary to ours, were at least informed opinions.

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You got trolled by him. Exactly the kind of disruptive, intellectually dishonesr, toxic, passive aggressive shit I was talking about. Smh.

I've been posting here for a decade and a half and modding it for a decade. I don't get trolled. I post about MMA two or three times a year when I feel like it about stuff that interests me. I've got free time, I haven't talked about MMA in a while, and I felt like talking about Fedor this evening. Don't you worry about me. I promise, I won tonight by getting the opportunity to talk about the GOAT, and if you thicken your skin up, you can win in these discussions, too.

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If you're going to discuss Fedor's weaknesses, you have to mention his tendency to cheat by grabbing the ropes. A good example of this is his fight with Lindland.

The referee was repeatedly shouting at Fedor to "let go the ropes" and even had to resort to trying to physically remove Fedor's hand and arm from holding onto the ropes.

It was no surprise that when Fedor had to fight in a cage instead of a roped ring, he struggled.

Massive Fedor fan but that cheat changed the fight. In fairness Lindland didn't mind cheating either i.e. not showering
 
Massive Fedor fan but that cheat changed the fight. In fairness Lindland didn't mind cheating either i.e. not showering

As a Cro Cop fan, I'll always be salty about Nog grabbing the rope to keep the mount and then snatching the armbar shortly thereafter. Cro Cop was sitting up and almost had the leverage to get up from off the bottom, but Nog gave the rope a quick grab and kept his balance/position.



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As a Cro Cop fan, I'll always be salty about Nog grabbing the rope to keep the mount and then snatching the armbar shortly thereafter. Cro Cop was sitting up and almost had the leverage to get up from off the bottom, but Nog gave the rope a quick grab and kept his balance/position.



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Lol, yeah i didn't notice at the time but you're right.

Full disclosure I was a bigger Mirko fan than Fedor at the time to tell the truth and could have cried when Randleman KO'd Mirko. Could have stabbed Chuck in the fucking eye when he explained in an interview how he had worked on that hook with Kevin....

Hands down the best mma years ever 2003-2006 Pride FC. The drums, the chick and her voice, the freakshow fights and the theatre.
 
Lol, yeah i didn't notice at the time but you're right.

Full disclosure I was a bigger Mirko fan than Fedor at the time to tell the truth and could have cried when Randleman KO'd Mirko. Could have stabbed Chuck in the fucking eye when he explained in an interview how he had worked on that hook with Kevin...

Preaching to the choir. After Ken Shamrock, Cro Cop is my all-time favorite. No disrespect to Barnett for pulling the upset against Nog in the OWGP semi-finals, and Fedor unfortunately busted his hand for the millionth time, but I'll always be bummed that Cro Cop wasn't able to avenge those two big losses. If he would've fought that version of Nog in the OWGP finals, he would've run through him like a buzzsaw, and even if Fedor would've been standing across from him, I don't think that he was ever in a better place mentally or physically to take the #1 spot.

Hands down the best mma years ever 2003-2006 Pride FC. The drums, the chick and her voice, the freakshow fights and the theatre.

I'm a sucker for the early days of things - I'm one of the rare fans who loves the first seasons of Seinfeld and Friends - so the early SEG days of the UFC, back when it was NHB, those will always be special to me. I'm also fond of hidden gems, and so I'm also a huge fan of Pancrase and will never stop encouraging people to go back and watch those amazing fights from 1993-1996. But I became a fan around that golden age of the UFC and PRIDE battling for global MMA supremacy, and so the nostalgia will always make those days even sweeter. One of my biggest regrets will forever be that I wasn't able to see a live PRIDE event in Japan.
 
But your mistake is automatically assuming Fedor = Jordan or Magic (NBA) or Gretsky or Lemieux (NHL). Those greats played when their respective sports leagues were 50+ years along in their development....so your analogy is incorrect. Fedor critics are saying that he came along so early in MMA's history and development that he is more like the Bob Cousy (NBA) or Eddie Shore (NHL) of MMA. And no one thinks Bob Cousy is the greatest basketball player of all time. Certainly, no sane basketball fans watched Jordan play while thinking "Bob Cousy from 25 years ago would smoke this fool...Mike Jordan! Baaahhhh!" However, that is exactly what Fedor cultists do on these UFC threads. Fedor, much like Bob Cousey, had his time early in the sport; definitely pioneers. But, I assume Bob Cousy fans could acknowledge that Oscar Robinson, Michael Jordan, etc. advanced the sport. Now, if only Fedor fans could stop living in the past.

Jarl

Khabib: "Fedor is the GOAT."

GSP: "Fedor is the GOAT."

Jose Aldo: "Fedor is the GOAT."

Jon Jones: "Fedor belongs on Mount Rushmore of MMA"

Jarl from the internet: "Fedor isn't the greatest ever or close to being Jordan or Gretsky of MMA. He's more like NBA players from the 1950s."

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Clearly it's not just Fedor fans who need to stop living in the past, it's the greatest fighters ever too. If Fedor was equivalent to "Bob Cousey" of MMA then all time greats like Jones, GSP and Khabib wouldnt refer to him as the GOAT because NOBODY refers to Cousey as the GOAT. The way they speak of him is more congruent with Jordan. Maybe it's the insecure shills on sherdog who need to accept the fact that Fedor is the GOAT?

Comparing Fedor to Bob Cousey suggests that there has been 70 years of evolution in HW MMA since Fedor was the best in the world lol which only a moron would think. The HW top 10 today is weaker in terms of skill than it was in 2011 and weaker than it was in 2005 when Fedor was the most dominant fighter in the world.

If there has been 70 years of evolution in HW MMA then how would you explain guys like Derrick Lewis and Tai Tuivasa being in the top 5 today? Both of them have primitive skiillsets which would still be considered primitive skiillsets in 2011 and 2005. Lewis has fought for a title twice.

These guys wouldn't be top 5 HWs in 2011 or in 2005. Not only would a 2003 Fedor absolutely beat the shit out of them but he would most definitely be a top 5 HW today at worst if not the champion at best.

If today's NBA players who are equivalents of Lewis and Tuivasa went back to Couseys era in the 50s they would dominate the sport. If Lewis and Tuivasa went back to 2005, they would have a hard time making the top 10. This shows that your Cousey comparison is intellectually dishonest and historically inaccurate.

Fedor was the #1 P4P fighter in the world for 7 years. He won 18 consecutive fights after becoming the champion and didn't lose for a decade while destroying multiple HWs in that era who would be top 5 HWs today.

This kind of dominance is more congruent with a Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal or Hakeem Olajuwan than with Bob Cousey because like Fedor, all 3 of these guys were legendary amazing players then and they would be just as legendary and amazing today.

Your post if full of exactly the kind if stupidity you expect from some random hater on the internet named Jarl.
 
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Khabib: "Fedor is the GOAT."

GSP: "Fedor is the GOAT."

Jose Aldo: "Fedor is the GOAT."

Jon Jones: "Fedor belongs on Mount Rushmore of MMA"

Jarl from the internet: "Fedor isn't the greatest ever or close to being Jordan or Gretsky of MMA. He's more like NBA players from the 1950s."

<{clintugh}>

Clearly it's not just Fedor fans who need to stop living in the past, it's the greatest fighters ever too. If Fedor was equivalent to "Bob Cousey" of MMA then all time greats like Jones, GSP and Khabib wouldnt refer to him as the GOAT because NOBODY refers to Cousey as the GOAT. The way they speak of him is more congruent with Jordan. Maybe it's the insecure shills on sherdog who need to accept the fact that Fedor is the GOAT?

Comparing Fedor to Bob Cousey suggests that there has been 70 years of evolution in HW MMA since Fedor was the best in the world lol which only a moron would think. The HW top 10 today is weaker in terms of skill than it was in 2011 and weaker than it was in 2005 when Fedor was the most dominant fighter in the world.

If there has been 70 years of evolution in HW MMA then how would you explain guys like Derrick Lewis and Tai Tuivasa being in the top 5 today? Both of them have primitive skiillsets which would still be considered primitive skiillsets in 2011 and 2005. Lewis has fought for a title twice.

These guys wouldn't be top 5 HWs in 2011 or in 2005. Not only would a 2003 Fedor absolutely beat the shit out of them but he would most definitely be a top 5 HW today at worst if not the champion at best.

If today's NBA players who are equivalents of Lewis and Tuivasa went back to Couseys era in the 50s they would dominate the sport. If Lewis and Tuivasa went back to 2005, they would have a hard time making the top 10. This shows that your Cousey comparison is intellectually dishonest and historically inaccurate.

Fedor was the #1 P4P fighter in the world for 7 years. He won 18 consecutive fights after becoming the champion and didn't lose for a decade while destroying multiple HWs in that era who would be top 5 HWs today.

This kind of dominance is more congruent with a Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal or Hakeem Olajuwan than with Bob Cousey because like Fedor, all 3 of these guys were legendary amazing players then and they would be just as legendary and amazing today.

Your post if full of exactly the kind if stupidity you expect from some random hater on the internet named Jarl.

GSP says Anderson is the GOAT. Another fail. Fuck, you're good at being wrong.
 
It was neither automatic nor an assumption. It was a judgment based on facts and my eyes. Based on the facts, and based on my eyes, Fedor at his best is the best fighter that I have ever seen fight. If I wanted to play the fantasy ideal/prime fighter game, I think that there have been individual performances by fighters like Ricco Rodriguez against Randy Couture at UFC 39 and Cro Cop in the OWGP finals who give me pause when picking Fedor to beat them...but I still do, because his ability to always win no matter who his opponent was or what happened in the fight was amazing to witness. For the 10 years from 2000-2010, the MMA world got the gift of the greatest fighter to grace the sport. Was Fedor at his best when he was nearly decapitating Arlovski and Rogers? No. But then was Gretzky as good when he was with the Rangers as he was when he was with the Oilers and the Kings? Was Jordan as good in the 1998 playoffs as he was in the 1992 playoffs? No. But that doesn't change the fact that nobody to ever step onto a sheet of ice or a hardwood floor have been able to play the games like Gretzky or Jordan at their best. And no one who has ever stepped through the ropes of a ring or entered a cage has ever been able to fight like Fedor at his best. That's why he's the GOAT.



Speaking of assumptions, it sounds like you're assuming that the sport of MMA has changed so drastically that we are hardly speaking of the same thing when we talk about Fedor fighting Nogueira on the one hand and Ngannou fighting Stipe on the other. That, however, is patently false. Prime Cro Cop would've kicked Stipe's internal organs out of his body and prime Nogueira would've tapped Ngannou inside of a round.



Speaking of incorrect analogies, it would be more accurate given their dominance, their remaining records, and the esteem that they get from their fellow athletes to cite Gordie Howe or Stan Mikita for hockey and Kareem or Dr. J for basketball. Even improving your attempt to invalidate Fedor's claim to GOAT status, however, I still submit that Fedor is the MJ of MMA, not the Cousy or even the Dr. J.



We don't. We just wish that newer fans - or hell, all fans - actually studied and remembered the past so that their opinions, even if contrary to ours, were at least informed opinions.

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Lol at Nog tapping Ngannou in a round!! Holy crap...how the hell does he get him down??? Curtis Blaydes hasnt gotten him down in 2 fight.ms and he's 30 lbs bigger and a
vastly superior wrestler to Nog..

MJ was Finals MVP in '98...at 35


Fedor and Nog are a combined 1 and 2 against Hendo...but you have them beating Francis?!

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Lol at Nog tapping Ngannou in a round!! Holy crap...how the hell does he get him down??? Curtis Blaydes hasnt gotten him down in 2 fight.ms and he's 30 lbs bigger and a
vastly superior wrestler to Nog..

Ricco Rodriguez was a vastly superior wrestler to Nog but Nog took him down. And Bob Sapp outweighed Nog by 150 pounds but Nog got him down, too. And for good measure, Cro Cop also had better TDD than Ngannou but Nog even got him down. You can disagree with me on the likelihood, but to express dismay at even the possibility is just ignorant.

MJ was Finals MVP in '98...at 35

Yes, and at 33 Fedor nearly decapitated both Arlovski and Rogers despite already showing signs of decline compared to his peak years earlier. You realize that you're corroborating my point, right?

Fedor and Nog are a combined 1 and 2 against Hendo...but you have them beating Francis?!

Ok

Fedor got caught with a big punch after his prime, so that's only a big deal to you, and if you'd ever actually seen Nog's first fight with Hendo in Rings, you'd know that that split decision loss was one of the many decisions that Decision Dan, as he used to be known, was questionably awarded. The UFC may have the more famous judging problems these days, but Rings was known as a place with iffy decisions, and anyone with eyes knows that Nog should've been the one to go on to fight (and almost certainly beat) Babalu in the King of Kings 1999 tournament final.

Then again, Ngannou once lost to someone nobody's ever heard of and fought a shittier fight against Derrick Lewis than either Fedor or Nog ever fought in their entire careers, but you can overlook these blemishes to consider him so vastly superior a fighter that to even mention Fedor and Nog in the same breath as him strikes you as so ludicrous as to deserve being laughed out of court?

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GSP says Anderson is the GOAT. Another fail. Fuck, you're good at being wrong.


My mistake it was Khabib, Aldo and Tyson who said Fedor is the GOAT and Jon Jones who said Fedor belongs on the Mount Rushmore of MMA.

GSP said Fedor was the best P4P fighter in the world during Andersons prime.

 
Ricco Rodriguez was a vastly superior wrestler to Nog but Nog took him down. And Bob Sapp outweighed Nog by 150 pounds but Nog got him down, too. And for good measure, Cro Cop also had better TDD than Ngannou but Nog even got him down. You can disagree with me on the likelihood, but to express dismay at even the possibility is just ignorant.



Yes, and at 33 Fedor nearly decapitated both Arlovski and Rogers despite already showing signs of decline compared to his peak years earlier. You realize that you're corroborating my point, right?



Fedor got caught with a big punch after his prime, so that's only a big deal to you, and if you'd ever actually seen Nog's first fight with Hendo in Rings, you'd know that that split decision loss was one of the many decisions that Decision Dan, as he used to be known, was questionably awarded. The UFC may have the more famous judging problems these days, but Rings was known as a place with iffy decisions, and anyone with eyes knows that Nog should've been the one to go on to fight (and almost certainly beat) Babalu in the King of Kings 1999 tournament final.

Then again, Ngannou once lost to someone nobody's ever heard of and fought a shittier fight against Derrick Lewis than either Fedor or Nog ever fought in their entire careers, but you can overlook these blemishes to consider him so vastly superior a fighter that to even mention Fedor and Nog in the same breath as him strikes you as so ludicrous as to deserve being laughed out of court?

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Dude Ricco took Nog down at will and Sapp was an absolute can who almost murdered. him while Nog was champ.
Bob Sapp as a legit litmus test for a GOAT???
Yet you bring up Frank losing on the regional scene in his 2nd fight...2 weeks after his debut and thus about 4 months or so after he started training and stopped being homeless

amazing




LOL at crocop having better tdd than francis


maybe watch him against an actual mma geappler like gonzaga as opposed to style vs style fossils like coleman. Blaydes is about 40 lbs bigger than coleman and actually knows how to kickbox and hasnt gotten frank down in 2 fights


*****awaits inevitable comparisons of sapp to Feancis and Lewis******



Pride cultists...holy shit...
 
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